Tip broke of the break shaft...

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krlk

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This is what happened to my break shaft after a terrible miscue. I know its a miscue, but still didnt expect that to happen. On the close inspection I just could find glue marks... Or it was very, very thin layer. Anyway, luckily enough i managed to glue it back together at exactly same position with loctite. After 50 breaks it still there. Fingers crossed :))
 

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I had the same thing happen to mine.. Just luck of the draw I guess, only the 2nd time in 15 years I had one fly off on the break. Pretty good percentage if you ask me, so I'll take it!
 
Have noticed over the years that Super Glue used to install a tip will for the want of a better word Shatter, when the tip is layed up with any kind of hollow area between the tip and the ferrule--It's hard to get the two area perfectly flat--but it's a must do, for the tip's to stay on the cue properly
I've been using the Gorrila brand super glue of late--it's the only one I know of that uses rubber fiber mollicules that almost makes the glue shatter proof
 
Can someone explain to me what material is in the core of that OB1?

I have a OB Classic Pro and have the same stuff. Recently changed my tip and saw that the stuff was pulverized. Had to mix up some epoxy to fill it in and make for a level surface.

Anyone else done this?
 
Looks like your "pad" came off, it has happend to me a couple of times.
 
[QUOTE=zpele;4015586]Can someone explain to me what material is in the core of that OB1?

I have a OB Classic Pro and have the same stuff. Recently changed my tip and saw that the stuff was pulverized. Had to mix up some epoxy to fill it in and make for a level surface.

Anyone else done this?[/QUOTE]



I think OB uses sillcone inside there shafts but I am not sure and could be wrong.
royce from From OB shafts is the person to ask.

MMike
 
Krik

It was most likely the miss cue that did it. A really bad miss cue actually slaps the side of the tip against the side of the ball. With a really hard tip and pad, any shock or side load can fracture the glue between the pad and the end of the ferrule.

Re-attachment, like you did, is the perfect solution. The remnants of the foam core make it pretty easy to line it back up. Just re-glue it back in the same spot and it will last like it never came off.

As for the adhesives, a medium thick CA is best. CA's, or super glues, are actually strongest when they are water thin. Any additives used to thicken them up just dilute them and will weaken their strength. Impacts aren't really an issue because the load is compressing the glue joint. Think about it. Tips are glued on all over the world with CA's and they endure 10's of thousands of impacts over the life of the tip, and very few glue joints fail. Usually, a failed glue joint is the result of either some form of load or impact other than hitting the cue ball with the face of the tip, or one of the surfaces wasn't flat when it was installed.

The stuff in the middle is just that, stuff. Don't worry about it if there is a little of it missing or damaged. Just put the new tip on and go. Don't forget the Carbon Fiber pad we use on all our cue shafts. Using a typical vulcanized paper pad, or none at all, will ultimately lead to a ferrule problem.

I hope that helps!

If not, check out our website, or give us a call at the shop. 877-399-9901.

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break tip

I was breaking with bk2 for few years. Many misscues obviously. Tip has never come off. In fact i never heard an incident like that from anyone. Just saying..
 
krlk said:
I was breaking with bk2 for few years. Many misscues obviously. Tip has never come off. In fact i never heard an incident like that from anyone. Just saying..
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Krik

I understand.

It's not very common, but it does happen. And it has happened with pretty much all brands.

Many years ago, when phenolic tips first started to become popular, it was much more common. The phenolic tip and ferrule combo was actually created to prevent the tips from coming off. They can't come off if they are part of the ferrule.

Pads were added to help combat the issue. Most pads were common vulcanized paper. They actually cushioned the hit a little, but helped to keep the tip in place.


Thanks
 
krlk said:
I was breaking with bk2 for few years. Many misscues obviously. Tip has never come off. In fact i never heard an incident like that from anyone. Just saying..
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No adhesive is absolute.

When you break properly, the glue is holding in compression ax it's supposed to. When you miscue, as noted earlier, the glue is being stressed laterally which is it's weakest position.

Here is a tip I learned from using PICONE WHITE DIAMOND as a break tip, and they are notorious for pop offs.

Take a tip pick and press some tiny holes in the back of the tip and in the surface of the ferrule. Then apply the adhesive to both surfaces and apply the tip and place in a clamp for 24 hours.

This effectively makes tiny glue spikes, in addition to the surface adhesive, and forever ended my pop off issues.
 
tip height

i also have flatened my tip a little bit. not sure if that changes anything, maybe getting less english on a break. was also thinking to shave a tip by half since i dont see the point having it full size. surely it changes the amount of side force on a miscue compared to "eifel tower" :)
 
middle thing

i still believe its the great design of not having a normal ferule to blame. that foam behind tip/pad is just not strong enough. once again, just saying..
 
krlk said:
i still believe its the great design of not having a normal ferule to blame. that foam behind tip/pad is just not strong enough. once again, just saying..
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I don't believe the foam is intented to be strong. It is just a filler, similar to all of the other LD shafts. This is how it was intended, it is part of the design.
 
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