I likes it. I will cut a piece of paper with the "arrow" to replicate more accurately the bottom of the GB and see what the offset of the fractions of the ferrule or greater is and commit that to memory for future appliication.
Shane's system experimentation
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I likes it. I will cut a piece of paper with the "arrow" to replicate more accurately the bottom of the GB and see what the offset of the fractions of the ferrule or greater is and commit that to memory for future appliication.
I likes it. I will cut a piece of paper with the "arrow" to replicate more accurately the bottom of the GB and see what the offset of the fractions of the ferrule or greater is and commit that to memory for future appliication.
I was asked Thursday night to give lessons to a newbie. She's a hot 24 year old but wants to learn pool. (I requested her mom come, too, so my wife doens't crap a brick)
I think I'll teach her these aiming points early on and see how a new player reacts to those. I've always wondered if my years of experience made this aiming technique easier to me than it might be to others.
If I can find this thread I'll update then. If not, maybe I'll start an new one.
Jeff Livingston
I find that my stroke is at it's most accurate at pocket speed and when I try to hit the CB hard, it isn't consistently as accurate - so to learn the cut angles derived from ferrule aiming, I recommend starting out with pocket speed.
This is an update having diagrammed this in Autocad.
I realize that the example is the cut angles that I achieved at the table, but it is not correct.
The angles that I achieved on Autocad are smaller (degrees) than my examples in my diagram below.
The reason for that is that the ferrule diameter behind the CB will get progressivly larger as the OB is farther away from the ferrule due to perspective or foreshortening for as the OB appears to be getting smaller, the ferrule size remains constant.
There is some interest in my diagrams for my interpretation of Shane's ferrule aiming so I offer another.
The actual cut angles achieved by the shooter may vary, but the concept is sound.
Disclaimer:
Though the concept is sound, it is not practical for the cut angles will change as the OB is farther away from the ferrule.
I realize that the example is the cut angles that I achieved at the table, but it is not correct.
The angles that I achieved on Autocad are smaller (degrees) than my examples in my diagram below.
The reason for that is that the ferrule diameter behind the CB will get progressivly larger as the OB is farther away from the ferrule due to perspective or foreshortening for as the OB appears to be getting smaller, the ferrule size remains constant.
There is some interest in my diagrams for my interpretation of Shane's ferrule aiming so I offer another.
The actual cut angles achieved by the shooter may vary, but the concept is sound.
Disclaimer:
Though the concept is sound, it is not practical for the cut angles will change as the OB is farther away from the ferrule.
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There is some interest in my diagrams for my interpretation of Shane's ferrule aiming so I offer another.
The actual cut angles achieved by the shooter may vary, but the concept is sound.
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Great, now do a drawing kicking at a ball using this method.
There are many variables to banking i.e., the livelyness/deadness of the rail rubber, the speed of the cloth that one must adjust for the deviation from the mirror line. Many bankers use english to throw the OB to the pocket and others adjust the mirror line - for those ferrule aiming will work.
I don't think that I can diagram effectively the results of banking with ferrule aiming - can you.
Without a doubt there is one thing you excel at being and it is not a pool player. Here is a hint. Everyone has one and they all stink and its not an opinion. You are World Class at being one. A real natural.
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when i read this earlier today, i almost spit up the espresso i was drinking, i was lmao so much! i was waiting for him to put the picture of that ridiculous carom shot he carries around too lol and say let me see you do this with shanes system lmao!!!
There is no OB to directly aim at when kicking.
So what are you talking about, exactly?
Jeff Livingston
I think it is a stupid system. Shane played 8 hours a day forever. He could just shoot with the eyes closed and would still make the ball. No wonder.
How do you know Shane could play as well without his sytem as with it?
Jeff Livingston
I will use Acad to verify my last diagram for fractional ferrule aiming.
I'm just gonna make a jig that is 6.5MM wide, stands up and collapses easily.
A piece of paper folded at right angle with a 6-6.5 mm tab at the top will work as well but can't be marketed like a jig.
It wouldn't be thicker than the Majic Rack that hold the nine ball in place.
Gave it a really good try tonight...
and really REALLY like it. Right off the bat, I could see that I was already doing it subconsciously, just never concentrated on it before. I've always used back of the ball aiming (contact point to contact point); when I got down on a shot and knew it was dead in, I then paid attention to where the ferrule was lined up, and voila! I can really see it. Then I started double checking and realigning my shot when it was off and bingo, it worked. When I purposely went against what the ferrule was telling me when a shot just didn't look right, I missed. Line it back up and trust the ferrule and drilled it. This is an awesome tool; I'd had old timers tell me about this over the years, but always resisted it because it didn't seem to make mathematical sense...The trick to this is to line up a lazy cut that you know you can nail, hold your tip close to the CB and pay attention to where the ferrule is lined up. You'll see it right away. Now focus on follow through toward the contact point and you'll nail it. Then do the opposite cut angle to reinforce it. open the angles up gradually and you'll see what the various ferrule lineups look like in YOUR eye. Try putting inside and outside English; you'll be amazed you don't really have to adjust much at all, just keep that ferrule's side/middle/side headed toward the contact point and BANG! Best session I've had in literally decades, can't sleep yet......:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
and really REALLY like it. Right off the bat, I could see that I was already doing it subconsciously, just never concentrated on it before. I've always used back of the ball aiming (contact point to contact point); when I got down on a shot and knew it was dead in, I then paid attention to where the ferrule was lined up, and voila! I can really see it. Then I started double checking and realigning my shot when it was off and bingo, it worked. When I purposely went against what the ferrule was telling me when a shot just didn't look right, I missed. Line it back up and trust the ferrule and drilled it. This is an awesome tool; I'd had old timers tell me about this over the years, but always resisted it because it didn't seem to make mathematical sense...The trick to this is to line up a lazy cut that you know you can nail, hold your tip close to the CB and pay attention to where the ferrule is lined up. You'll see it right away. Now focus on follow through toward the contact point and you'll nail it. Then do the opposite cut angle to reinforce it. open the angles up gradually and you'll see what the various ferrule lineups look like in YOUR eye. Try putting inside and outside English; you'll be amazed you don't really have to adjust much at all, just keep that ferrule's side/middle/side headed toward the contact point and BANG! Best session I've had in literally decades, can't sleep yet......:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Shane's method aims the ferrule's sides or middle at the object-ball edge, not at the contact point.
The Mullen Method aims the ferrule's sides at the intended contact point.
Okay, then mark me down for the Mullen Method...whatever it is it's working for me and I can't stop smiling!
this is the only system that works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q4jEPmHFa8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q4jEPmHFa8
Bump this back for discussion
http://vimeo.com/35382368
This video of SVB giving a lesson was a recent discovery for me.
Don't know if I'm late to the game on this discussion or if this is posted somewhere else. I did do a search and this is the thread I found that was close.
The video is hard to hear but what I did pick up on has really helped my aiming.
What do the members think?
Thanks..
http://vimeo.com/35382368
This video of SVB giving a lesson was a recent discovery for me.
Don't know if I'm late to the game on this discussion or if this is posted somewhere else. I did do a search and this is the thread I found that was close.
The video is hard to hear but what I did pick up on has really helped my aiming.
What do the members think?
Thanks..