CJ Wiley Runs 29 balls in 1P using TOI

[Hungarian]

Great runouts. Pockets are 4 3\8....next topic.

Next topic is size doesn't matter to a certain degree. I know some tables that have about 5" buckets and spits balls out. I know other tables that have 4 - 1/4" pockets and play fairly easy. Pocket size is only one consideration. Quality of the workmanship is equally important. And the cut and angle of the pocket is very important.

This forum is something else

 

[CreeDo]

Sorry AtLarge., coulda worded my objection more politely. I respect what you have to say on this and other topics. I believe it's tough based on two things: the facings angle inward noticeably more sharply than a diamond. And the rails were part of the infamous tar table, which had a reputation even when it was the fatboy rails and not the apparently tougher set that followed.

Not near a standard diamond right this second but from my memory it's got parallel facings, the throat is probably larger than 4".


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[AtLarge]

... And the rails were part of the infamous tar table, which had a reputation even when it was the fatboy rails and not the apparently tougher set that followed. ...

I don't think CJ's Gold Crown has, or ever had, anything to do with TAR or Fatboy. It's a table that was in CJ's pool room years ago and then got moved to CJ's abode(s).

 

[CJ Wiley]

present a Giant Check like you see in Game Shows

I don't doubt that CJ ran this in 2 consecutive attempts but with today's Internet detectives all over it is hard to claim that as this video was obviously shot at 2 different times which CJ agree happened. Also the balls have all moved around from the end of the first rack to when he racks the second rack. Why don't we all agree this was 2 great runs on a quality table with less than buckets by a great player who is trying to build up the game. The game is the teacher and CJ is leading the way.

Thanks, I appreciate a positive "spin" on things, it's comical to see the mixed reactions, however, I respect everyone's opinion and that makes the world much more interesting. Just cut me some slack, if I was going to "doctor" that video it would have been MUCH more impressive.

The whole thing happened the way it did because I forgot about the ball going on the break. I wish we were smart enough to stage this so I had to do it again, then run out the next time, however, this would have been incredible foresight. I was only running one rack to show how the Touch Of Inside System was used in straight pool and one pocket. The way it came down was funny and I'm glad we captured it on film, so everyb.....I mean most people would believe it. :groucho:

Yes, if I wanted to "stage" a demonstration I would run 5 racks in a row in one pocket, be massaged between games by swimsuit models and have them present me with a giant trophy and one of those enormous checks like you win on a game show. hmmmm, actually that sounds like fun, maybe next time. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

What exactly is a "podcast"?

I see a lot of questions about TOI, and I also see CJ posting videos, comments and threads to explain what TOI is and what's it not. I think it will help if CJ can plan a podcast in near future and open a thread here were users can post their questions. I think it will help to clarify a lot of doubts/questions.

What exactly is a "podcast"? Is this just a LIVE streaming video clinic?

 

[One Pocket John]

Some folks just don't appreciate a down to earth player and continue to beat upon them with sticks and stones.

You are one thick skinned person CJ.

Keep up the good work.

John

 

[Taco]

A pro once told me that one of the biggest differences between an average player and a really good player is that the latter shoots about 90% of his shots at the same speed. It’s much easier than trying to slow roll one shot and force the next. I think that’s at least part of what CJ’s trying to get at, and if TOI helps him do it, so be it. Either way, given CJ’s track record, we have something to learn from him.

 

[CJ Wiley]

passing on what I've learned {directly from the Game} competing at the highest levels

Some folks just don't appreciate a down to earth player and continue to beat upon them with sticks and stones.

You are one thick skinned person CJ.

Keep up the good work.

John

I've learned over time that it's none of my business what people's opinions are about life, liberty, other people (esp. me) and/or the pursuit of happiness. There's some strange ideas and beliefs in this world, and once you understand how beliefs are formed and developed they lose their importance. Most beliefs are formed by inaccurate information programmed by secondary forms of experience......words for example.

I came on this forum to give my honest opinion and if I'm to be true to myself, I must continue, even though it rubs a few the wrong way. It would be unfair to "sugar coat" my opinions or suggestions to meet someone else's model or to "be liked or accepted".

One thing I noticed right away is how I play pool {and what I've learned from playing other champion players} is much different than what's conventionally taught. We understand why this is, and again, it's not our business what others choose to teach or learn.

My responsibility is to the Game and passing on what I've learned {directly from the Game} competing at the highest levels. My life has been greatly enriched since I started this path of working for the Game and giving freely of the knowledge it's made available. If people want to "nit pick" about colors, sizes, shapes, or "pendulum strokes," it's just diversion. The important thing is to represent the Game in the best possible way. 'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com

 

[Ken_4fun]

OK, I am not trying to be a jerk, but I do have a couple questions.

At one time, you..CJ..I heard you were the best in the US, an absolute terror on the table. I have heard the same thing for a period of time for Buddy Hall, Keith McCready, Earl / Efren, SVB, etc.

1.) Were you the best in the country for a period of time?

2.) What is your speed now compared to the time you were "the best in the country" 90%? 80%?

3.) I assume you are a smarter player now with TOI and other lessons learned, how good could you have been?

Ken Strain

 

[ENGLISH!]

CJ,

The above is some good 'stuff'. Thanks for posting your thoughts.

I think you are as tough as a wolf in duck feathers.

I'm going to try to be an alligator in pelican feathers. I'm from Louisiana.

Best Regards & Wishes,

 

[Fatboy]

Who dosen't like a filet?

thats what i was wondering

 

[CJ Wiley]

There were a few of us

OK, I am not trying to be a jerk, but I do have a couple questions.

At one time, you..CJ..I heard you were the best in the US, an absolute terror on the table. I have heard the same thing for a period of time for Buddy Hall, Keith McCready, Earl / Efren, SVB, etc.

1.) Were you the best in the country for a period of time?

2.) What is your speed now compared to the time you were "the best in the country" 90%? 80%?

3.) I assume you are a smarter player now with TOI and other lessons learned, how good could you have been?

Ken Strain

There were a few of us that played "the best" on a given day. I would play 100% within 3 weeks if there was a good reason.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Road players would drag themselves across miles of broken glass

A pro once told me that one of the biggest differences between an average player and a really good player is that the latter shoots about 90% of his shots at the same speed. It’s much easier than trying to slow roll one shot and force the next. I think that’s at least part of what CJ’s trying to get at, and if TOI helps him do it, so be it. Either way, given CJ’s track record, we have something to learn from him.

Yes, this is the one of the main differences between an amateur and a professional. Play the touch of inside teaches those that weren't "child prodigies" how to play the same style. Using this method it forces you to do a lot of the correct things in terms of speed, position, and angle creation.

Road players would drag themselves across miles of broken glass to play someone that liked to "slow roll" balls and use different speeds and spins on each shot. Can you imagine how many more calculations you have to make to play that way as opposed to playing consistent speeds, angles, and hitting the cue ball on the same side?

It's obvious when someone sees it from our perspective, you can get away with any style for an hour or two, but not over time.


Here's the definition of consistency, it applies directly to what I'm saying: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consistency


consistency [kənˈsɪstənsɪ], consistence
n pl -encies, -ences
1. agreement or accordance with facts, form, or characteristics previously shown or stated
2. agreement or harmony between parts of something complex; compatibility
3. (Physics / General Physics) degree of viscosity or firmness

 

[backplaying]

Yes, this is the one of the main differences between an amateur and a professional. Play the touch of inside teaches those that weren't "child prodigies" how to play the same style. Using this method it forces you to do a lot of the correct things in terms of speed, position, and angle creation.

Road players would drag themselves across miles of broken glass to play someone that liked to "slow roll" balls and use different speeds and spins on each shot. Can you imagine how many more calculations you have to make to play that way as opposed to playing consistent speeds, angles, and hitting the cue ball on the same side?

It's obvious when someone sees it from our perspective, you can get away with any style for an hour or two, but not over time.


Here's the definition of consistency, it applies directly to what I'm saying: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consistency


consistency [kənˈsɪstənsɪ], consistence
n pl -encies, -ences
1. agreement or accordance with facts, form, or characteristics previously shown or stated
2. agreement or harmony between parts of something complex; compatibility
3. (Physics / General Physics) degree of viscosity or firmness

I have been playing Justin Cone 1 hole with weight almost every weekend, as he works 5 days a week, and I can tell you he uses a touch of inside more than anyone I have ever played. He is always able to hit balls firmer to control his speed and accuracy much better than someone like me who has always used outside in most cases. I wish I had learned this style of pool from the start. You think he has hit the ball to hard on every shot and ends up perfect most of the time. CJ tried to tell me about this a few years back and I wouldn't listen. I'm close to 60 and can say, I just figured it was just to late to try and change but I'm going to give it a few hundred hours to see.

 

[backplaying]

OK, I am not trying to be a jerk, but I do have a couple questions.

At one time, you..CJ..I heard you were the best in the US, an absolute terror on the table. I have heard the same thing for a period of time for Buddy Hall, Keith McCready, Earl / Efren, SVB, etc.

1.) Were you the best in the country for a period of time?

2.) What is your speed now compared to the time you were "the best in the country" 90%? 80%?

3.) I assume you are a smarter player now with TOI and other lessons learned, how good could you have been?

Ken Strain

I had never seen David Matlock get beat on a barbox until he matched up with CJ. Even though the game made was Wade Crane breaking for CJ. I can tell you CJ got the cash. This was in the 80's at a tournament in Aniston, Al, if I remember correctly. He also played Efren a cash match and won. Correct any of this if its not accurate CJ, it was a long time ago.

 

[CJ Wiley]

a devastating "One/Two Punch Clinic"

I had never seen David Matlock get beat on a barbox until he matched up with CJ. Even though the game made was Wade Crane breaking for CJ. I can tell you CJ got the cash. This was in the 80's at a tournament in Aniston, Al, if I remember correctly. He also played Efren a cash match and won. Correct any of this if its not accurate CJ, it was a long time ago.

The Stage Was Set - The tournament was in Anniston, Alabama. and it was a huge bar table tournament. All the greatest players were there, and I was with Weldon Rogers, "Billy Johnson", Berle, and a group from Kentucky. Reid Pierce and I had recently played in Atlanta and I ended up giving him the 8 on a bar table and managed to win - it took like 3 straight days.

Weldon told me he wanted me to play David Matlock (the world's greatest bar table player) and have Billy Johnson break for me, so we matched up a 10 ahead for $10,000. "Billy" (Wade Crane) had only been playing on big tables the last few months and couldn't get the break working. I played flawlessly and got 8 ahead, then Matlock put an "8 Pack" together and we were even, then 1 down.....down 2....and counting.

I was sitting next to "Billy," he leaned in close to my ear and whispered "I just figured the break out....we're going to beat him 30 ahead if he doesn't quit!" I looked up at him and could instantly see, he was calm, his eyes were blazing - he was DEADLY SERIOUS!

Sure enough, all of a sudden I won a game and BILLY BROKE>BAMMMM!!! The cue ball hit the one and went straight up in the air while 4 balls fought to get in the pockets - the cue ball came down {still bouncing} PARKED at the center of the table. Billy said in that "low tone" as he walked back to the chair "I over amped on that one," glanced at me with a smirk on his face, and winked. I knew what was fixin to happen.

We put on a devastating "One/Two Punch Clinic" from there on out and won the 10 ahead in the next hour. He was right, we would have put "30 Ahead" on anyone from that point on. Weldon got up and offered anyone at the tournament the "Last 2" if they wanted to play us, everyone politely declined.
'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com

 

[TheCutShot]

Pocket size discussion

Thanks CJ, fun to see you in action again. Can everyone just give it a rest over the pocket size and enjoy the vid for what it is, a World Champion running balls! on his home table. It is an impressive feat regardless of the pocket size!

As a former regular of CJ's Billiard Palace, I can tell you that everyone of his 9 ft. tables were shimmed tight for pro level play, as he used to have Pro tourny's there and those were the tables the Pros played on.

I probably played a few games on that very table myself before CJ moved it to his home.

 

[TheCutShot]

?'s for CJ

CJ, I'm curious, did you move? that room looks a lot different from the room you used for your Ultimate Secrets videos, and speaking of those videos and the room your table was in, I've always wondered if you had enough room around the table to use a full length cue. The table looked awfully close to the wall.

Next ? Who did the painting you have over your mantle? Did you paint it? I know you used to dabble a little bit with painting.

 

[Lock N Load]

The Stage Was Set - The tournament was in Anniston, Alabama. and it was a huge bar table tournament. All the greatest players were there, and I was with Weldon Rogers, "Billy Johnson", Berle, and a group from Kentucky. Reid Pierce and I had recently played in Atlanta and I ended up giving him the 8 on a bar table and managed to win - it took like 3 straight days.

Weldon told me he wanted me to play David Matlock (the world's greatest bar table player) and have Billy Johnson break for me, so we matched up a 10 ahead for $10,000. "Billy" (Wade Crane) had only been playing on big tables the last few months and couldn't get the break working. I played flawlessly and got 8 ahead, then Matlock put an "8 Pack" together and we were even, then 1 down.....down 2....and counting.

I was sitting next to "Billy," he leaned in close to my ear and whispered "I just figured the break out....we're going to beat him 30 ahead if he doesn't quit!" I looked up at him and could instantly see, he was calm, his eyes were blazing - he was DEADLY SERIOUS!

Sure enough, all of a sudden I won a game and BILLY BROKE>BAMMMM!!! The cue ball hit the one and went straight up in the air while 4 balls fought to get in the pockets - the cue ball came down {still bouncing} PARKED at the center of the table. Billy said in that "low tone" as he walked back to the chair "I over amped on that one," glanced at me with a smirk on his face, and winked. I knew what was fixin to happen.

We put on a devastating "One/Two Punch Clinic" from there on out and won the 10 ahead in the next hour. He was right, we would have put "30 Ahead" on anyone from that point on. Weldon got up and offered anyone at the tournament the "Last 2" if they wanted to play us, everyone politely declined.
'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com

Another great story, CJ. I like this one real well. Good job!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I like Ft. Worth's pool rooms better and there's some people that play

CJ, I'm curious, did you move? that room looks a lot different from the room you used for your Ultimate Secrets videos, and speaking of those videos and the room your table was in, I've always wondered if you had enough room around the table to use a full length cue. The table looked awfully close to the wall.

Next ? Who did the painting you have over your mantle? Did you paint it? I know you used to dabble a little bit with painting.

Yes, I have a new house over between Dallas and Ft. Worth. I like Ft. Worth's pool rooms better and there's some people that play pretty well in this neck of the woods.

Yes, that room in my old house had a lot of room, it was deceptively large, the ceilings were 20' so maybe that threw you off.

The painting was done by my girlfriend,

Mary Avina who is an extremely gifted artist. She paints and does awesome sculptures as well.

Do we know each other, it seems like you may have spent some time in my pool room? Aloha