dishawcues
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I thought the event center was much better than last year.
I thought the event center was much better than last year.
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Super Billiard Expo 2013
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"I also succeeded tremendously by getting back a large refund on a cue that was promised to me but was never completed after years of waiting. down hill." BANKS[/QUOTE].
When I served as President of the ACA there was one ACA member who was famous for taking deposits and not delivering, wouldn't return phone calls, nothing. I received more calls and complaints about this guy then anyone else, ever. Strangely enough, he is now an officer representing the ACA, talk about going, "down hill." Beware folks !!
"I also succeeded tremendously by getting back a large refund on a cue that was promised to me but was never completed after years of waiting. down hill." BANKS[/QUOTE].
When I served as President of the ACA there was one ACA member who was famous for taking deposits and not delivering, wouldn't return phone calls, nothing. I received more calls and complaints about this guy then anyone else, ever. Strangely enough, he is now an officer representing the ACA, talk about going, "down hill." Beware folks !!
Allen,
I've read and re-read most of the posts on this thread. Some several times before I replied. You, your Father and the entire SBE Staff do an amazing job of giving the pool community a place to gather for a few days each year.
To me it's like Woodstock. A social happening. Instead of music, pool and pool related equipment. For those who attended Woodstock, memories of too few toilets, no showers and mud everywhere are eclipsed by the people and the music. SBE is the same. Not perfect but damn close!
Like others, I've been attending a long time. Been very, very fortunate. Your Dad looked at me Sunday and said "oh no, you again" with a big smile on his face. Really believe he gets a kick out of handing out money. And seeing the players who return year after year.
This was absolutely my next to the last year! Take that. Again.
Lyn
I've read and re-read most of the posts on this thread. Some several times before I replied. You, your Father and the entire SBE Staff do an amazing job of giving the pool community a place to gather for a few days each year.
To me it's like Woodstock. A social happening. Instead of music, pool and pool related equipment. For those who attended Woodstock, memories of too few toilets, no showers and mud everywhere are eclipsed by the people and the music. SBE is the same. Not perfect but damn close!
Like others, I've been attending a long time. Been very, very fortunate. Your Dad looked at me Sunday and said "oh no, you again" with a big smile on his face. Really believe he gets a kick out of handing out money. And seeing the players who return year after year.
This was absolutely my next to the last year! Take that. Again.
Lyn
Thanks Lyn! I'm glad the Expo isn't as muddy as Woodstock
And I sure wish I could've experienced Woodstock as well.I remember when you picked up your check, I was there as well. And you're right, my dad does enjoy meeting all the players and paying out their prize money. He truly does believe in keeping the show as enjoyable as possible for the players, and trying to make the show better for them, as well as vendors and spectators too. Eventually, we're going to try and map out exactly how much has been paid out to players: both Amateur and Pro over the last 21 years. I think it's interesting to see how much has been paid out over all these years, money put back into pool players hands. The show truly is a vehicle for a small surge into the billiards economy; between how much is paid out in prize money and how much is generated among the vendors year after year.
Thanks again for being a part of it, I'm glad to have seen you take down the title this year
Is Dawn involved these days?
Do you think the total amount of prize money paid out has exceeded the total amount the players have spent to participate (travel, lodging, food, entry fees)?
For most pool tournaments, I believe it is a net loss for the entrants -- expenses in aggregate exceed the prize fund. The prize fund creates a few net winners and leaves a lot of net losers.
Because of its large entertainment and retail elements, however, the SBE is a bit more complicated to analyze in that manner.
No, but she WAS involved and that's why I thanked her as well.
Joe Banks
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Super Billiards Expo 2013
I must at least say the name is correct Billiards Expo. As the billiards had there own private room away from the mish mosh. Again the truth sometimes hurts and sometimes may even sting. What I say is the truth from what I see for myself not listening to hear say. I was there, I seen, I saw ,and I ran. All of the photos from the Expo could back me up as well as your own commentators from the live stream. I do not make up stories. I call it as I see it. Some agree some don't. I will say something else-- There must be truth in what I said or this Thread would have died or been ignored a long time ago. And one thing you are wrong about---I know I hit a sore spot. Look at how big this thread is. Others responding to something I brought out. Any way I feel you are fighting with me. This was not my intention. I just want the truth to be revealed and try to help improve the Expo. I see how defensive you are about criticism. If you don't like my suggestions then pay for someone else is. They might lessen the blow and put cream on the top for you. BANKS "The Pain Was Too Hard To Bear".
I must at least say the name is correct Billiards Expo. As the billiards had there own private room away from the mish mosh. Again the truth sometimes hurts and sometimes may even sting. What I say is the truth from what I see for myself not listening to hear say. I was there, I seen, I saw ,and I ran. All of the photos from the Expo could back me up as well as your own commentators from the live stream. I do not make up stories. I call it as I see it. Some agree some don't. I will say something else-- There must be truth in what I said or this Thread would have died or been ignored a long time ago. And one thing you are wrong about---I know I hit a sore spot. Look at how big this thread is. Others responding to something I brought out. Any way I feel you are fighting with me. This was not my intention. I just want the truth to be revealed and try to help improve the Expo. I see how defensive you are about criticism. If you don't like my suggestions then pay for someone else is. They might lessen the blow and put cream on the top for you. BANKS "The Pain Was Too Hard To Bear".
Every tournament has more "losers" than "winners" otherwise there is no point to having a tournament.
Of course the total amount of prize money has not exceeded the total amount of expenses incurred to the players. That's not even a fair question. This is the way it is for every non-exhibition tournament on the planet. An exhibition tournament is one where the participants are paid a stipend that covers expense to show up. Their nut is covered regardless and they are playing for the extra money and pride above the stipend.
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Really, comparing it to Woodstock is almost perfect. I would have reserved that maybe for the old DCC at the Executive West but the analogy is very apt.
For those that listen to the music the SBE is Woodstock, for those that don't really enjoy the music the SBE is about muddy grounds and facilities.
Well no, not on an aggregate level - of course not. Individually, yes - some people win and come out ahead of the game, other people lose. It's the nature of any tournament with an entry fee.
I don't believe any event can truly pay out more than it collects in entry fees and remain a viable business operation. Sure there are added money events, but that money still comes from somewhere, whether it be a sponsor, a pool room, a casino, or a benevolent entity. And this money is still essentially being added by the entrants, because it's coming from money spent elsewhere in relation to the event, be it ticket sales, food concessions, hotel rooms, what have you. Sponsors add money because they expect to recoup it from selling products, either on-site or throughout the year. It's just a cycle, it's business.
I think in relation to the Expo, it works out well because participants do get many other things to do and see as part of the experience. Every tournament/event that carries an entry fee and payouts for winners will always result in winners and losers. And people will always spend money in addition to their entry fee for things like food, lodging, supplies, etc...
All, I can say was that it was a great show and experience for me again this year. IMHO, much better than last year. Was really happy to have been able to watch the pro plays a lot more this year as well. Looking forward to sign up for next year tourney. Ran into Kevin West so my tourney ended a little earlier...had him 4-1 in the first set and loss just my luck.
Money matches was fun this year but too many killers this year at the show.
Duc.
just my luck. Money matches was fun this year but too many killers this year at the show.
Duc.
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Joe Banks
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Super Billiards Expo 2013
Comparing Woodstock to SBE you said is perfect. Being stranded in the rain, wearing tie die and ripped cloths. Feeling and smelling filthy, high on pot and God knows what else. Not one dollar in your pocket and if you survived this bring home Hepatitis and possible Aids is your definition of Heaven and the Super Billiards Expo. That sounds like a very intelligent comparison. BANKS "The Pain Was Too Hard To Bear".
Comparing Woodstock to SBE you said is perfect. Being stranded in the rain, wearing tie die and ripped cloths. Feeling and smelling filthy, high on pot and God knows what else. Not one dollar in your pocket and if you survived this bring home Hepatitis and possible Aids is your definition of Heaven and the Super Billiards Expo. That sounds like a very intelligent comparison. BANKS "The Pain Was Too Hard To Bear".
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You seem confused...please don't mistake "the truth" for your opinion...
Your opinion (very negative as it is) has been heard (read?), many times, and you have the right to say it over and over again if you will...but that won't make it the truth...it will still remain your opinion..
lol... pretty sure no one visited Woodstock, or the Expo, and caught AIDS. I do admire your tenacity though
You're forgetting: Santana, Mountain, The Grateful Dead, CCR, Janis Joplin, Sly and the Family Stone, The Who, Jefferson Airplane, Joe Cocker, The Band, Johnny Winter, CSN&Young and the closer......Jimi Hendrix. All under one roof.
In pool terms: Shuff, Souquet, Archer, Appleton, Immonen, Duel, Pagulyan, Strickland, Bustamante, Hatch, Dominquuez, Ochoa, Dechaine, Shaw, Kiamco, Sossei, REYES, and the closer.......Van Boening.
And a list of others I haven't even mentioned. All up close from a few feet away under one roof. Sure worth it in my eyes. Now that you mention it, did Woodstock have carpet? Hmm.........I heard their cheesesteaks sucked.
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Man you are really uptight. I think you could use a nice brownie and some loving.Relax and enjoy the experience. Remember you went there by choice. As Will Prout said imagine if the SBE wasn't there.
Dude this is a gathering. It's an event like the harvest dances people used to have to celebrate bringing in the year's bounty. Forget about the details and enjoy the fact that there is an annual event you can count on where you can see old friends and the best that the pool world has to offer in one place.
Sbe
SBE was fine, just the jerk offs that were there that make it suck. These wannabe pill popping, alcoholic, potheads that pretend to be gentleman gamblers are the problem.
Dirtbags like Russian Kenny who is supposed to have so much gamble then ducks people he owes. He's an idiot the way he blew through his bankroll on carnival shots and quarter tricks.
I will be back next year, but probably just for 2 days, Friday and Saturday. There was no action to be had Sunday, like most years, but I always try to get something going. Playing the open is a crap shoot, I don't roll lucky enough to beat anybody with alternating break.
The action was pitiful all 4 days, just a sign of the times and where the game is at...in the sewer. Thanks to Allen, his son and everyone for trying to keep it going. This veniue was crowded, but there were notabe improvements. The food was really decent and lighhting was better on the tables. A good amount of action tables...but you need a 9 footer or two over there, even at $1.50 a game they would be nonstop busy. Would allow some people to loosen up the pursestrings and gamble. For me that's what it's supposed to be about.
SBE was fine, just the jerk offs that were there that make it suck. These wannabe pill popping, alcoholic, potheads that pretend to be gentleman gamblers are the problem.
Dirtbags like Russian Kenny who is supposed to have so much gamble then ducks people he owes. He's an idiot the way he blew through his bankroll on carnival shots and quarter tricks.
I will be back next year, but probably just for 2 days, Friday and Saturday. There was no action to be had Sunday, like most years, but I always try to get something going. Playing the open is a crap shoot, I don't roll lucky enough to beat anybody with alternating break.
The action was pitiful all 4 days, just a sign of the times and where the game is at...in the sewer. Thanks to Allen, his son and everyone for trying to keep it going. This veniue was crowded, but there were notabe improvements. The food was really decent and lighhting was better on the tables. A good amount of action tables...but you need a 9 footer or two over there, even at $1.50 a game they would be nonstop busy. Would allow some people to loosen up the pursestrings and gamble. For me that's what it's supposed to be about.
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Tap Tap Tap Well said. It's not about if the food was perfect or the carpet on the floor or how nice the stands were. It's about 4 days of being surrounded by the game we love. Seeing the best players in the world, some of the best cue's and cases around and generally everything you could want to buy associated with the game and hanging out with 1000's of pool nuts who love this crazy game as much as I do. The rest our just minor details....
Relax and enjoy the experience. Remember you went there by choice. As Will Prout said imagine if the SBE wasn't there.
Dude this is a gathering. It's an event like the harvest dances people used to have to celebrate bringing in the year's bounty. Forget about the details and enjoy the fact that there is an annual event you can count on where you can see old friends and the best that the pool world has to offer in one place.