TAR 34 SVB/Efren 8 Ball: Open After Break or Make It Take It?

Open After Break or Make It take It ?

  • Open After Break

    Votes: 141 57.8%

  • Make It Take It

    Votes: 103 42.2%
  • Total voters
    244
JCIN

JCIN

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Just looking to get some opinions on what people think is the best way for Shane and Efren to play 8 Ball next week. Last night Busty and Alex played an amazing 8 Ball set and it was open after the break. Some people said its too easy.

My thinking is make it take can favor the bigger breaker since he will make more balls more often giving him the option of groups more than the guy who only makes one or two balls on the break. I can see it going both ways though so I just want hear what others think about the subject.

So what say you AZ?
 
What if they make one of each? We played it open in that case in some places and others were what ever the first ball to fall was your poison. I say open if you are playing ball in hand and make it take it if playing from the kitchen. I am sorry I didn't get to watch last night so I don't know how you actually played it.
 
Two ways you can make 8 ball tougher for the elite players.

1. Make them shoot the stripes or solids in numerical order.
2. Play what you make on the break.
 
eddie0776 said:
What if they make one of each? We played it open in that case in some places and others were what ever the first ball to fall was your poison. I say open if you are playing ball in hand and make it take it if playing from the kitchen. I am sorry I didn't get to watch last night so I don't know how you actually played it.
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What if the balls go in at the same time?

Never heard of the first to fall thing.

If we do take what you make it would simply be any group with a ball missing after the break is available to be played.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Two ways you can make 8 ball tougher for the elite players.

1. Make them shoot the stripes or solids in numerical order.
2. Play what you make on the break.
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I'm really interested in seeing a match some time (don't know whether this is the right time) using #1 above. Like Fast Lenny has mentioned -- 1 through 8 in ascending order or 15 through 8 in descending order.
 
I think take what you make is the better way to play. It doesn't necessarily favor the bigger breaker because he would have to consistently be making at least one ball of each group. Sometimes two of the same group are made. It would turn more into a strategic battle which I think would give Efren a better chance of winning. I prefer to watch back and forth games instead of run out fests.
 
AtLarge said:
I'm really interested in seeing a match some time (don't know whether this is the right time) using #1 above. Like Fast Lenny has mentioned -- 1 through 8 in ascending order or 15 through 8 in descending order.
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I made a thread not too long ago about playing 1-7, or 9-15 in order.

For the top players, it would definitely make the game more challenging.
 
Choice

Is the only way to play 8-ball to not punish the breaker. However, if pain is what you're after, the you are what you make. Rotation 8-ball is fun too but not very practical because its hardly 8-ball anymore really.
 
JesseBfan said:
Is the only way to play 8-ball to not punish the breaker. However, if pain is what you're after, the you are what you make. Rotation 8-ball is fun too but not very practical because its hardly 8-ball anymore really.
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I don't see it as punishment for the breaker. If they make a ball, they still have complete control over the table. It just could potentially make it harder to put together packages since it's likely they'll have to really come with it on their first shot.
 
Just make the race longer. For me, it was great last night to see which ball set they selected. It is much less "luck" playing open after. My opinion and I think if people think about it, they would agree.

You may see some more impressive shots playing take what you make because the players will be forced at times to shoot the tougher ball set and they will try to run out. There are advantages to both, but we will see more strategy and more consistent play from open after.
 
BeiberLvr said:
I don't see it as punishment for the breaker. If they make a ball, they still have complete control over the table. It just could potentially make it harder to put together packages since it's likely they'll have to really come with it on their first shot.
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Reason I think it's punishment is sometimes you make 2 or 3 of one suit and have absolutely no shot at that suit. Which is fine but it definitely punishes the breaker for a good break more than choice does.
 
Take what you make. If for no other reason than to slow these MF's down. :grin: Johnnyt
 
JesseBfan said:
Reason I think it's punishment is sometimes you make 2 or 3 of one suit and have absolutely no shot at that suit. Which is fine but it definitely punishes the breaker for a good break more than choice does.
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I don't know much about 8 ball racking, but surely there's a way to rack them so that the odds of either set falling on the break are close to equal.
 
iba7467 said:
Just make the race longer. For me, it was great last night to see which ball set they selected. It is much less "luck" playing open after. My opinion and I think if people think about it, they would agree.

You may see some more impressive shots playing take what you make because the players will be forced at times to shoot the tougher ball set and they will try to run out. There are advantages to both, but we will see more strategy and more consistent play from open after.
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Both options have the same amount of consistency. Just different types.

The only strategy after the break (when playing open) for these guys is what suit yields the easiest run out. That thought process rarely takes more than 10 seconds.
 
Later in its descendency, the IPT one-on-one challenge matches were "make it, take it," and IMHO, were the most enjoyable to watch. It was very interesting to watch players of that caliber deal with making a ball after the break, but have no good subsequent shot at that same ball category. The old, "ok, I wonder what he's going to do now?" sit-up-in-your-seat thing keeps you glued, rather than, "oh heck, a ball made on the break, and the 'other' category is wide open" runout.

-Sean
 
I enjoyed watching the 8 for a change but in the end it's too easy for pro's unless you gaffe up the table or make them play on snooker dimensions. Take what you make can be challenging but unfair. I can make 3 balls and have zero options with that type.

If your going to play 8ball then you need to stretch the sets out to race to 30 and leave the rules as god intended.

On a side note you could play last pocket 8 ball?

Nick
 
JCIN said:
Last night Busty and Alex played an amazing 8 Ball set and it was open after the break. Some people said its too easy.

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So what say you AZ?
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We had a BIG debate about the TAR table, you went the direction you did. It is not the game's fault and now screwing with the rules is a lame way to artificially create difficulty in the game.

JCIN said:
If we do take what you make it would simply be any group with a ball missing after the break is available to be played.
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If you create a "take what you make" rule into the 8-ball it is going to be a HUGE advantage to Shane because he is by far the better breaker and will likely be making balls of both sets FAR more often then Efren and thus get the "choice". Efren will be lucky to make a ball of either set on his breaks and will end up being the guy who is penalized by this type of rule change and be forced into a specific set after the break.

Are you really going to put in a rule that is going to make Efren even more of a dog then he already is because of his weaker break? Seriously?
 
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