did i make a big mistake ??

bauercrew said:
hey everyone in am fairly new at pool play on a apa league since august last year. skill level 3, question is i shoot with a ob sneaky with ob1 shaft shot up untill last week with the factory tip, was doing fairly good(was really starting to have ALOT of confidance in my shots)well the tip needed replaced went with a kamui ss tip as per a lot of people suggested, even the pro shop owner who has seen me play and knows my style, said the same thing,well now i cant hit the broad side of a barn now, shot making went down hill Expecially my cut shots,:angry: even a few straight ins have been here and there but my cuts shots are bad and it took me so long to get them down do these kamui tips need to break in ??? really really struggleing now :( i fell like im taking 10 steps BACKWARDS now,as i said before im really new at this but im losing my confidance quickly to the point i am afraid to step up and shoot now:frown: thanks for listening to my rant

Bill
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Simply put, so long as there isn't anything defective with the tip or the install of the tip, the tip isn't the problem, it's just you.

The sooner you realize that it's your mind and body that make the shots and position, and miss the shots and position the sooner you'll start playing better.
 
bauercrew said:
hey everyone in am fairly new at pool play on a apa league since august last year. skill level 3, question is i shoot with a ob sneaky with ob1 shaft shot up untill last week with the factory tip, was doing fairly good(was really starting to have ALOT of confidance in my shots)well the tip needed replaced went with a kamui ss tip as per a lot of people suggested, even the pro shop owner who has seen me play and knows my style, said the same thing,well now i cant hit the broad side of a barn now, shot making went down hill Expecially my cut shots,:angry: even a few straight ins have been here and there but my cuts shots are bad and it took me so long to get them down do these kamui tips need to break in ??? really really struggleing now :( i fell like im taking 10 steps BACKWARDS now,as i said before im really new at this but im losing my confidance quickly to the point i am afraid to step up and shoot now:frown: thanks for listening to my rant

Bill
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A lot of good advice in this thread already, but I suggest you shave the tip half way down. If you take half the tip off you'll get a more solid hit. If you are still not happy you can change to a different tip then.

An even better suggestion in my opinion is to play with a maple shaft. I play just under pro speed at least half the time and I always use maple shafts. I bought a plain Jane South West that came with four shafts and one of those shafts is an OB 1. I have tried that shaft a few times and I hate it. Inconsistent bad play at its finest every time I've used that shaft. On that note, if there is anyone who'd like to purchase(I know, I know, wrong forum for selling) my OB 1 shaft with a 3/8 - 11 thread, just let me know.

Hope this advice helps, but be sure to take the other good advice in this thread and use it. You should also remember that there are a lot of growing pains in the game of pool and a lot of slumps you'll go through in the process. Try to keep the frustration to a minimum and the practice to a maximum.

Have a goodn'
 
Bob Jewett said:
I believe this is entirely bogus.
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Hey Bob I know you've been around along time. But, I experienced this very occurrence personally. Even started a thread not to long ago about this very phenomena, so I'm speaking from personal experience.

Black Cat :cool:
 
bauercrew said:
hey everyone in am fairly new at pool play on a apa league since august last year. skill level 3, question is i shoot with a ob sneaky with ob1 shaft shot up untill last week with the factory tip, was doing fairly good(was really starting to have ALOT of confidance in my shots)well the tip needed replaced went with a kamui ss tip as per a lot of people suggested, even the pro shop owner who has seen me play and knows my style, said the same thing,well now i cant hit the broad side of a barn now, shot making went down hill Expecially my cut shots,:angry: even a few straight ins have been here and there but my cuts shots are bad and it took me so long to get them down do these kamui tips need to break in ??? really really struggleing now :( i fell like im taking 10 steps BACKWARDS now,as i said before im really new at this but im losing my confidance quickly to the point i am afraid to step up and shoot now:frown: thanks for listening to my rant

Bill
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Don't sweat it bro. you'll adjust and as the tip breaks in you'll notice you're hitting the ball the same as you were before your tip change.

keep practicing brotha and get past that apa3 skill level.
 
The tip can make a huge difference in certain techniques... If any of you have tried CJ's TOI you know you have to accelerate and hit the ball firm... Firm is going to be different between a soft and a medium or hard tip because the tip is going to eat some of the energy....

If Baurcrew has been hitting his shots with pace and suddenly the same arm speed isn't getting the same amount of energy out of the cue into the cueball then there could be instances where he is missing because of the change in energy transfer and getting swerve that he normally wouldn't get for a given stroke speed....

As far as missing straight in... That isn't the tip but more likely confidence eroding from other misses......

If you liked the tip that came on the stick have another Everest put on it and chalk it up to a lesson learned......

I play with the OB Classic Pro and one of my soft Ki-Techs but it is a stiffer hitting shaft and has more deflection than some of the other shafts on the market....

As far as swapping out to get a maple shaft just because someone says "works fine for me"... I always wonder if those guys have golf clubs at home with hickory shafts... The science is out there but you can only lead a horse to water so to speak.......

Chris
 
I would check to make sure the top of the radius on the tip is centered. Also as one poster said if it is shaped to a dime, make it shaped to a nickle.---Smitty
 
If it were me, I'd go back to the same kind of tip you had before. After changing cues and tips a few times over the past couple of years, I've decided that I'll need a very compelling reason to change anything that's working the way I want.
Even going from a well-worn tip to a new tip of the same kind takes an adjustment period... Changing brands, styles, etc. will have you dealing with more variables than you'll want if you're not a champion player who's accustomed to adjusting to conditions.
 
Oldwestside said:
I played a lot of golf with a local pro who I became good friends with.
He told me that all the hackers were looking for the secret, and all the scratch players were looking for a place to practice.
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Hmmmm....guilty as charged here. Good analysis.
 
Bob Jewett said:
What part of the accuracy is lost? Are you saying that the tip causes the cue to shoot crooked?
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Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner !! I shoot with a kamui SS on... wait for it... an OB Classic Pro shaft....

and when i don't have my cue, sometimes i'll actually use someones cue with maple shaft and a cheap tip like a LePro.... and i still make balls. Gotta adjust for deflection, and can't seem to draw as well, but the stick still goes straight, and balls still go in the pocket.
 
Walter...The difference here is that you're already a very good player, who can probably "feel" a slight difference in tip hardness. The OP is not, and Bob's advice was spot on for this poster. BTW, met up with Fred yesterday down here in FL, and he mentioned his play with you when you were down here! LOL :D Hope we get to meet up the next time I'm in the Baltimore area!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Black Cat 5791 said:
Hey Bob I know you've been around along time. But, I experienced this very occurrence personally. Even started a thread not to long ago about this very phenomena, so I'm speaking from personal experience.

Black Cat :cool:
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rayjay said:
Stop thinking about the tip and focus more on the shot. Sounds like you're really focused on the tip and how it's gonna perform. Make the shot.
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This is exactly right. Think more about shooting the shot and applying the correct speed.
 
Hard to say for certain that's your problem. Might be a head thing. practice until you can tell that the tip is causing the problems and your mechanics aren't off.

More often than not, a begginer's problems are between there ears, no on the table or the stick. I would say you need to put in more table time before you waste a bunch of money changing stuff around.

FWIW, if you find equipment that you like, that's working for you, don't let someone talk you into changing it!!!

best of luck,

Justin
 
whammo57 said:
First of all you don't need an ob wan kenobe shaft. It is probably doing you more harm than good.

You need a simple cue with a solid maple shaft with somewhere around 13mm tip. A Kamui tip is OK but it totally unnecessary to spend that much money for a tip if you are a SL3. A single layer tip is just fine for you.

Those fancy hyped items do you no good. Learn the basics and when you are at SL5 look for a nicer cue. Stay away from all the LD shafts.

Practice

Kim
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I disagree with this ... A new(ish) player should not be dealing with things like deflection consciously. Now there's an option to remove that variable (or diminish it significantly) for new or low-sl players, allowing the student to learn to make balls.

Of course, the student should be hitting center CB - but how many SL3's are consistent at this? Almost none in my area at least.

A couple years ago I bought an OB Classic Pro with a Kamui SS on it to put on my first (cheap Lucasi). When I first got it, I loved it immensely. It really brought my game up. But after a while, I noticed the problem with it: it really does put a spotlight on any cueing errors. If you're half a tip off-center, you will throw the OB offline. Because the tip is so small you have a smaller margin of error. I started missing shots that I never used to. Yes, my error, at the heart of the matter (but I didn't really know this until I reflected on it months later). I just tried my old shaft one day and was making balls again.

At least, that is *my* experience. I've since bought a new custom with a 12.5 mm shaft that is a wonderful spot in between the super LD shaft and the regular full LD shaft.

So, while yes it is the archer at the end of the day, the arrow certainly has some effect on the equation.

Now, I can play with that stick/shaft without a problem as I have dialed-in my own stroke and can reliable hit center ball.
 
Scott Lee said:
Walter...The difference here is that you're already a very good player, who can probably "feel" a slight difference in tip hardness. The OP is not, and Bob's advice was spot on for this poster. BTW, met up with Fred yesterday down here in FL, and he mentioned his play with you when you were down here! LOL :D Hope we get to meet up the next time I'm in the Baltimore area!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Hey Scott I think you have me confused with someone else, however if you are ever in the DMV area definitely look me up. Always happy to hit them with a fellow ABZ'er.

In regard to post I made, I think it is still very possible that this issue could effect anyone and they not have a clue what's going on. I only stumbled across this information myself by trial and error. One day I was making balls like normal, put on a New Predator Soft Tip and couldn't make a cut shot to save my life. Shaped the tip, Shaved the tip, changed the Radius and Still couldn't consistently make my normal shot's. Cut that tip off replaced it with a Kamuii Black Soft which was what I had before the initial change and immediately started making balls like normal. So that's how I found out.

Black Cat :cool::thumbup:
 
Black Cat...You're right...DUH! LOL I was confusing you with Black Balled! I definitely will look you up when I'm out your way! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Black Cat 5791 said:
Hey Scott I think you have me confused with someone else, however if you are ever in the DMV area definitely look me up. Always happy to hit them with a fellow ABZ'er.

In regard to post I made, I think it is still very possible that this issue could effect anyone and they not have a clue what's going on. I only stumbled across this information myself by trial and error. One day I was making balls like normal, put on a New Predator Soft Tip and couldn't make a cut shot to save my life. Shaped the tip, Shaved the tip, changed the Radius and Still couldn't consistently make my normal shot's. Cut that tip off replaced it with a Kamuii Black Soft which was what I had before the initial change and immediately started making balls like normal. So that's how I found out.

Black Cat :cool::thumbup:
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Black Cat 5791 said:
One day I was making balls like normal, put on a New Predator Soft Tip and couldn't make a cut shot to save my life. Shaped the tip, Shaved the tip, changed the Radius and Still couldn't consistently make my normal shot's. Cut that tip off replaced it with a Kamuii Black Soft which was what I had before the initial change and immediately started making balls like normal. So that's how I found out.
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You found out what every pool player who knows anything about pool has always known since pool became pool:

Every now and then it all deserts you and you can't make the balls do what you can usually make them do.

It doesn't mean the laws of physics have stopped applying to your cue, or that you found a tip made of pure kryptonite and it crippled your stroke. It means you were doing something wrong, and somewhere in between one tip and the next you started doing it right again.

-Andrew
 
bauercrew said:
hey everyone thanks for all the replys

by no means am i blaming my equipmet just looking for some honest sugestions thats all im just frustrated cause it seems im going backwards and dont mean to sound like a cheapskate but that damn tip cost me $45 bucks just need to decide to keep shooting with it or remove it ;) igoing to try again this friday and put in about 5 -6 hours of shooting
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Keep the tip, it should last you a good long time, hold its shape well, and hold chalk well. If you believe it has any properties more mystical than those, you will be best served by realizing those properties are all in your head, and that you need to focus your precious mental energies on technique and practice.

-Andrew
 
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