Question for Top Speed Players

Fatboy

Fatboy

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I noticed Buddy draw the cue back on his final back stroke so far the ferel was covered by his hand, i just now saw a short video clip of SVB he did the same thing, he went back far as he could with out the cue falling off his closed bridge.

now i realize working on this ist going to raise my game a full ball, where lining up might raise a persons game 2-3 balls.

so my ? to RandyG, CJ, and other top players, how important is this, on the final back swing, I put a slight pause in there ane that helped, but would that extra .5to.75" make much difference?

thanks in advance

eric "Worlds best C Player"
 
BH has a short bridge so it does not take much of a back swing to run out of cue.
More back swing = more cue speed.
 
Fatboy said:
I noticed Buddy draw the cue back on his final back stroke so far the ferel was covered by his hand, i just now saw a short video clip of SVB he did the same thing, he went back far as he could with out the cue falling off his closed bridge.

now i realize working on this ist going to raise my game a full ball, where lining up might raise a persons game 2-3 balls.

so my ? to RandyG, CJ, and other top players, how important is this, on the final back swing, I put a slight pause in there ane that helped, but would that extra .5to.75" make much difference?

thanks in advance

eric "Worlds best C Player"
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If you strike CB where intended you will get expected results provided you have a follow through. Always monitor the CB direction after contact that will tell you all about where tip strikes CB.
 
Fatboy said:
I noticed Buddy draw the cue back on his final back stroke so far the ferel was covered by his hand, i just now saw a short video clip of SVB he did the same thing, he went back far as he could with out the cue falling off his closed bridge.

now i realize working on this ist going to raise my game a full ball, where lining up might raise a persons game 2-3 balls.

so my ? to RandyG, CJ, and other top players, how important is this, on the final back swing, I put a slight pause in there ane that helped, but would that extra .5to.75" make much difference?

thanks in advance

eric "Worlds best C Player"
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im pretty sure cleary is the worlds best c player
 
Check out Bustamante, he does this all the time, especially on his break.

Imho, being able to do this isn't really an advantage, its just something you can do with a really good stroke. If you have a poor stroke, more often than not, you will probably just end up pulling the cue out of your bridge and leaving a blue chalk mark on your thunb like a jackass. Its kind if like a slip stroke. Some good players do it, but its not really something that, when imitated, will lead to improvement.
 
Masayoshi said:
Check out Bustamante, he does this all the time, especially on his break.

Imho, being able to do this isn't really an advantage, its just something you can do with a really good stroke. If you have a poor stroke, more often than not, you will probably just end up pulling the cue out of your bridge and leaving a blue chalk mark on your thunb like a jackass. Its kind if like a slip stroke. Some good players do it, but its not really something that, when imitated, will lead to improvement.
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Good post...if you copy a player, you must do things for the same REASON that he does.
 
Fatboy said:
I noticed Buddy draw the cue back on his final back stroke so far the ferel was covered by his hand, i just now saw a short video clip of SVB he did the same thing, he went back far as he could with out the cue falling off his closed bridge.

now i realize working on this ist going to raise my game a full ball, where lining up might raise a persons game 2-3 balls.

so my ? to RandyG, CJ, and other top players, how important is this, on the final back swing, I put a slight pause in there ane that helped, but would that extra .5to.75" make much difference?

thanks in advance

eric "Worlds best C Player"
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One word answer-no. Think about it, if you move your bridge hand back that 3/4", you accomplish the exact same stroke without going into your hand. It's nothing more than a mental idiosyncrasy for HIS draw stroke.
 
All pulling the cue back that far does, is help a player determine the exact 'end' of your natural backswing. As mentioned, you can't pull back any farther, or you'll pull the cue out of your hand. It has nothing to do with generating more cuespeed, unless your 'normal' backswing is several inches shorter than your 'maximum' (ferrule coming back to your knuckle). Many players use this technique for most of their shots...not just on the break.

Scott Lee
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Masayoshi said:
Check out Bustamante, he does this all the time, especially on his break.

Imho, being able to do this isn't really an advantage, its just something you can do with a really good stroke. If you have a poor stroke, more often than not, you will probably just end up pulling the cue out of your bridge and leaving a blue chalk mark on your thunb like a jackass. Its kind if like a slip stroke. Some good players do it, but its not really something that, when imitated, will lead to improvement.
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hustler days

when I read this post that book came to my mind immediately and thought of jersey red. There was a paragraph and a picture too I believe that showed his stroke. he used to pull the cue far back that his ferrule disappeared. But in the end its all a matter of follow through and hitting the CB where you wanted to.
 
Neil said:
One word answer-no. Think about it, if you move your bridge hand back that 3/4", you accomplish the exact same stroke without going into your hand. It's nothing more than a mental idiosyncrasy for HIS draw stroke.
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End of discussion right there. :thumbup:
 
Pause

I am not a top speed player. However, wanting to improve, in 96 a top speed player told me to buy and study Accu-Stat tapes as there was not good instruction at the time near Ponte Vedra Beach. So I bought tons and studied. I had many Buddy Hall tapes and what I noticed was not exactly how far he drew the cue back, but the stoke, then pause, and execution. The pause stood out in my mind.

I tried to incorporate this into my execution and when I do, I think it gives me better focus and helps me execute a better strike on the cue ball where I want.

Recently, Charlie Williams has worked with me developing a pre shot routine, much like a golfer's approach. It is something I never really noticed, but the good players all have a pre shot routine so natural you do not think about it.
 
It is just a matter of style. Jim Furyk looks like frickin Zorro the way he takes the club back. There is no secret advantage to be gained.
 
Neil said:
One word answer-no. Think about it, if you move your bridge hand back that 3/4", you accomplish the exact same stroke without going into your hand. It's nothing more than a mental idiosyncrasy for HIS draw stroke.
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thats my thought, however with the mention of Buddys book in the past couple days, I got to thinking about it and I seem to recall buddy mentionig it, then i saw on TAR last night SVB doing it. Buddy seemed to have a good reason, nothing about making his stroke longer, hell i beeen playing log enough to know that, i can play with a 6" bridge(and do in banks if i need to pinch a ball) or a 15" bridge off a rail. i cant recall what Buddy said, hence my post.

Seems buddy said something about he could hit the CB more accurately, which is the whole plan anyways.


I been on/off playing the past year and in the last 3 weeks i been playing and just now i'm starting to hit the ball ok, feels good, so i got to thinking about any other things to do or not to do, I have never drawed my cue back that far, i like to see the ferel.


ok i might be a B player....
 
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Fatboy said:
I noticed Buddy draw the cue back on his final back stroke so far the ferel was covered by his hand, i just now saw a short video clip of SVB he did the same thing, he went back far as he could with out the cue falling off his closed bridge.

now i realize working on this ist going to raise my game a full ball, where lining up might raise a persons game 2-3 balls.

so my ? to RandyG, CJ, and other top players, how important is this, on the final back swing, I put a slight pause in there ane that helped, but would that extra .5to.75" make much difference?

thanks in advance

eric "Worlds best C Player"
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Private message sent, I'm not ready to release this info yet. ;) .....correction, message bounced back, your inbox is full :(
 
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