BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu)and Pool

and you think tai chi is the reason he was so succesful?? what a joke! Roy Jones alos trained professional boxing for his whole life, i'm sure that had NOTHING to do with his skill.

With that said, Roy wouldnt stand a chance in MMA! Toney tried it against Couture and didnt make it out of the first round. he tapped which means, "i give up, please stop before you kill me". Google it and see for yourself.

http://vimeo.com/45287348

heres the link to UFC 1. at some point Royce Gracie fights a professional boxer, watch the video to see what happens. Too bad for you a tai chi master didnt participate and win the tournament, then everyone would think what you know as truth.

Ya, what a joke! Where did I say Jones trained in Tai Chi, or that it was responsible for his success? I never even thought he studied it, and I doubt he ever did. That's you saying that, not me. I was simply showing a example of somebody who could avoid his opponents' punches and deliver his own without using a conventional boxer's cover up defense techniques. Jones was FAST and he had near perfect timing, so he was able to get away with it. Most boxers would get their head tore off doing that. BTW Jones would have creamed just about anybody in his weight class in his prime, in any discipline. That's just a fact.

And that old fart in the first video wasn't a Tai Chi guy anyway, he was (supposed to be) an Aikido guy. Didn't look like any Aikido I ever saw. He deluded himself (and his students) into believing that he could project his power through the air to knock them down or out. At no time did I ever fall for any of that magic chi BS that some proponents claim to use. If you ain't got your hands on the guy, he ain't going nowhere.

But thanks for the link to that UFC1 debacle. Way funnier than I remembered it. I could spend all day picking those tapes apart to show blows that never even came close to the mark, or landed on an arm, or an elbow, and yet the fight was stopped. These days, with the increasing use of boxing techniques, MMA is a much more serious sport, but back then it just looked like WWF to me. If you can seriously look at that garbage and tell me this was legitimate no-holds-barred fighting, well, what can I say? As our good friend Danny Diliberto says, "If you knew what you don't know, you wouldn't not know it." Lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na20FnxONQE


Anyway, have fun with your BJJ. Hope you never need to use it on the street against a real boxer.:grin:
 
Anyway, have fun with your BJJ. Hope you never need to use it on the street against a real boxer.:grin:

Me too! That would suck! I'd hate to fight anyone trained at anything....except that old tai chi guy, I bet I can take him :)
 
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Me too! That would suck! I'd hate to fight anyone trained at anything....except that old tai chi guy, I bet I can take him :)

Yeah, I'm 61 now, but I bet I could take him, too. I'd just stare at him and wiggle my fingers and he'd fall right over. LOL

Only he ain't a Tai Chi guy, though.:rolleyes::wink:
 
Pete,

With many years of martial arts experience, you should be able to answer your own question. There're many different levels in working out and each person should be aware of their limitations and have reasonable expectations.

You said you worked out in a Korean style. I have worked out and instructed in a few different Korean styles, too. Depending on the style and the instructor, you should be familiar enough with martial arts to do whatever it is you want to accomplish.

I also trained in BJJ. The workouts are completely different than Korean martial arts. Your whole body will hurt for the first few weeks until you get used to it. Common sense in understanding your physical abilities will go a long way in preventing injuries. Your pool stroke will take a beating, but it gets better as you get familiar with your training.

If you move into mixed martial arts training, I would say your pool game will suffer. BJJ alone is just a good workout. This will help you mentally and physically for those long sessions. Martial arts, like pool can be done into old age. You just have to choose at what level.

Best,
Mike
 
Anyway, have fun with your BJJ. Hope you never need to use it on the street against a real boxer.:grin:

The great thing about MMA is that it exploded century-long myths about various martial arts traditions, virtually overnight. How many times have people fantasized about Karate vs. Kung Fu, Akido vs. TaeKwonDao etc...and it was all completely theoretical. Joe Rogan speaks eloquently about this topic, how he's realized how much of his time was wasted on unproven, theoretical bullshit. Maybe he'll chime in here and explain to you just how wrong you are about BJJ.

Think of MMA as a science experiment. The Gracie brothers dominated that arena for years, and their brand of BJJ is a requisite part of any successful MMA fighter's arsenal. Tai Chi is basically ritualized exercise combat for old Chinese people. My grandfather was a Tai Chi master, I used to watch him spar in slow motion against his friends in our back yard every week. You can fool yourself into thinking that the same moves, sped up, would be effective against a real world assailant...but you'd be fooling yourself all the same.

-roger
 
Anyway, have fun with your BJJ. Hope you never need to use it on the street against a real boxer.:grin:

Wouldn't even be a fight. The boxer would wake up not knowing what the hell happened to him, or he'd have his arm snapped. Whether you want to believe it or not, Jui-Jitsu is the most practical martial art for self-defense. Modern law enforcement academies don't train the basics of it for nothing. If it's not effective, why does the Marine Corps use it as a large part of the MCMAP system? It's ok to admit that you are mistaken and uninformed.

I once thought that pro boxers were the best fighters in the world too... Until I started training in Muay Thai, No-Gi Jui-Jitsu, and Judo. Anyone proficient in any of the above three combat arts would, and do, wipe the floor with boxers.
 
If you had the best boxer who ever lived fight the best bjj fighter who ever lived, the boxer would wake up dead if there weren't a ref to stop the manslaughter.

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Baxter, I'd be only too happy to admit I'm wrong, but I'd really need something besides your word as proof. Post a couple of links where I might see a BJJ practitioner wiping the floor with a ranking boxer. When I look at MMA these days seems everybody is using boxing techniques as their primary weaponry. Some of these matches look like slugfests I had to try to break up in the bar I worked in as a kid. That's why I linked to that interview where MMA fighters decried the lack of boxing techniques.

Enlighten me with facts, not hearsay. Show me all the boxers getting their asses kicked by BJJ artists and I'll eat some crow.

You know, I really didn't mean to insult anybody and start a shit storm over BJJ. Someone else said they thought Tai Chi would help the OP's pool game and I agreed. It is definitely helpful stuff to know in a scuffle, the footwork alone will keep you in a better place. But I've studied other arts, so if someone ever came at me with bad intentions I'm sure I'd use whatever seemed appropriate in the instant. Tai Chi would probably be my last choice to take someone out, but it'd probably keep me on my feet until I used something else more potent.

Maybe the best thing is that no one ever does that to me because my study of martial arts led me away from confrontation, not toward it. It's a spiritual pursuit for me, not a pugilistic one. That's the best self defense strategy I can think of.
 
That's because boxing is boxing. Put any rated MMA fighter in a boxing ring with a rated pro boxer using only boxing rules and the MMA guy would not win.

So what?
 
Baxter, I'd be only too happy to admit I'm wrong, but I'd really need something besides your word as proof. Post a couple of links where I might see a BJJ practitioner wiping the floor with a ranking boxer. When I look at MMA these days seems everybody is using boxing techniques as their primary weaponry. Some of these matches look like slugfests I had to try to break up in the bar I worked in as a kid. That's why I linked to that interview where MMA fighters decried the lack of boxing techniques.

Enlighten me with facts, not hearsay. Show me all the boxers getting their asses kicked by BJJ artists and I'll eat some crow.

You know, I really didn't mean to insult anybody and start a shit storm over BJJ. Someone else said they thought Tai Chi would help the OP's pool game and I agreed. It is definitely helpful stuff to know in a scuffle, the footwork alone will keep you in a better place. But I've studied other arts, so if someone ever came at me with bad intentions I'm sure I'd use whatever seemed appropriate in the instant. Tai Chi would probably be my last choice to take someone out, but it'd probably keep me on my feet until I used something else more potent.

Maybe the best thing is that no one ever does that to me because my study of martial arts led me away from confrontation, not toward it. It's a spiritual pursuit for me, not a pugilistic one. That's the best self defense strategy I can think of.

Show me a boxer that will step up. Oh wait...
 
Dumbest thing Ive heard in a while. I used to regularly work out 3-4 times a week with heavy free weights. Other than the soreness following the workout for the next couple of hours, I saw no decline in my game because of it. I actually played my best pool when I was the biggest I ever was and was sticking to a regular workout plan.

Charlie you are so right, for me anyway, the more i worked out and the better i looked, the better i played pool, when i got lazy and stoped training for awile my pool game went down hill fast.

The better i feel physically and look, the better i do everything!
 
If you had the best boxer who ever lived fight the best bjj fighter who ever lived, the boxer would wake up dead if there weren't a ref to stop the manslaughter.

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You take a good boxer and a great MMA fighter and they box and box only the MMA guy is in for a whipping!

Now you take a great boxer and a good MMA fighter and they play MMA rules, As soon as the MMA fighter gets it to the ground the great boxer is in for the whipping!
 
Baxter, I'd be only too happy to admit I'm wrong, but I'd really need something besides your word as proof. Post a couple of links where I might see a BJJ practitioner wiping the floor with a ranking boxer. When I look at MMA these days seems everybody is using boxing techniques as their primary weaponry. Some of these matches look like slugfests I had to try to break up in the bar I worked in as a kid. That's why I linked to that interview where MMA fighters decried the lack of boxing techniques.

Enlighten me with facts, not hearsay. Show me all the boxers getting their asses kicked by BJJ artists and I'll eat some crow.

You know, I really didn't mean to insult anybody and start a shit storm over BJJ. Someone else said they thought Tai Chi would help the OP's pool game and I agreed. It is definitely helpful stuff to know in a scuffle, the footwork alone will keep you in a better place. But I've studied other arts, so if someone ever came at me with bad intentions I'm sure I'd use whatever seemed appropriate in the instant. Tai Chi would probably be my last choice to take someone out, but it'd probably keep me on my feet until I used something else more potent.

Maybe the best thing is that no one ever does that to me because my study of martial arts led me away from confrontation, not toward it. It's a spiritual pursuit for me, not a pugilistic one. That's the best self defense strategy I can think of.

Here's the best I can find in a short time frame. Yosuke Nishijima is a decorated pro boxer, amassing a 24-2-1 record and holding the WBO NABO cruiserweight title, the OPBF cruiserweight title and the World Boxing Federation cruiserweight title. He was ranked top 10 in the world by the WBO.

This video is of Nishijima getting tapped out by Yoshida in an MMA fight.

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=35649089596

This is a video of Nishijima getting his arm broken in a Kimura by Phil Baroni (who ironically is known as a brawler, not a submission fighter)

http://www.vbox7.com/play:230b591b6b
 
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How about when Randy Couture destroyed Lights-out Tony like it was a joke.

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Yeah that one was mentioned on the last page. Randy choked him out with an arm triangle if I remember correctly. What was really funny is that Randy took him down with an ankle pick.
 
You take a good boxer and a great MMA fighter and they box and box only the MMA guy is in for a whipping!

Now you take a great boxer and a good MMA fighter and they play MMA rules, As soon as the MMA fighter gets it to the ground the great boxer is in for the whipping!

I disagree....because boxing is limited....in mma you can hold and punch. MMA fighter wins. Anderson Silva kills any boxer who ever lived. I'm a nit lock artist and if I'd bet the farm on a guy....don't miss the opp. You boxing fans are out of touch with reality.

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It's DISTURBING how lost and out of touch some of you are. You pool playing sports fans are supposed to be coy and astute....not retard suckers. Top mma fighters would murder top boxers if they fought on the street.

Wasssssa matta whichuuu?


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You take a good boxer and a great MMA fighter and they box and box only the MMA guy is in for a whipping!

Now you take a great boxer and a good MMA fighter and they play MMA rules, As soon as the MMA fighter gets it to the ground the great boxer is in for the whipping!

The difference is that early UFC had no rules. Throw 2 guys in a cage, and see centuries of tradition/delusion crumble.

-roger
 
The difference is that early UFC had no rules. Throw 2 guys in a cage, and see centuries of tradition/delusion crumble.

-roger

There were rules: No Biting. No Eye Gouging.

But other than that, it's all good.

Don't underestimate biting or eye gouging my friends...
 
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