Congrats to Danny Harriman 379 Ball Run Highest Ever on Video
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Thanks. I bought is specifically for Straight Pool.
Here's a somewhat ugly 136 from last night, hard fought with some escapes in the last few racks.
http://youtu.be/A_8wDow5HaI
Thanks. I bought is specifically for Straight Pool.
Here's a somewhat ugly 136 from last night, hard fought with some escapes in the last few racks.
http://youtu.be/A_8wDow5HaI
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Eric -
You only got 1/2 of my point.
You are a car guy too, so I will explain it this way.
It needs to be a factory Corvette. Not a Chip Foose Corvette. While I like hot rods, to help the sport it needs to be factory original. Something that JOE Q PUBLIC could go out and buy, not have some special setup, RealCobraSnakeGuy, or whoever.
We need a factory original GC or Diamond table.
Hope this sounds okay. No disrespect intended to anyone, but I really think it is important that this be a new (not an old anniversary), an out of the box new table.
Hope this clear.
Ken
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Ken,
were 100% cool and on the same page, i just was lazy and didn't address everything in my reply, for 2 reasons. First I was lazy and 2nd i need to talk to Jay.
I agree 1000000% with what your saying it needs to be a factory spec non modified box. with good balls
And like jay just said "good video"-Jay i'll talk to you later about this, i know people in that biz that can pick up a "splice" or digital edit or what ever the new word of the day is. It must be continuous, if the player takes a 30 minute break/rest, the camera runs THE WHOLE TIME.
Jay and I have lots to talk about to make this a professional long standing offer, it may take a year, maybe a month.
I believe its fair to say Jay would agree wth me, we want to create a real unquestionable attempt to break the record with a 100% legit run of 527 or more,so there will be NO DOUBT OF THE AUTHICENTITY OF THE NEW RECORD, thats my thinking and i'm sure everyone else wants the same, If they want to clean the balls, thats cool the ball cleaner can be next to the table, so that will be visable as well, these details we can work out, i can reach out to some of the players, between Jay and I we can get to ALL of the contenders, and approach them with a real offer.
One other idea, Barry Hearn got lots of Matchroom records in this years Guiness Book of World Records, now that means Barry has juice with the World Record people, guess what Jay knows Barry very well so in all likelihood the record will go into Guniess Book of World records. this is why Jay and I need some lead time, to look into this stuff-i'm not sure if Jay even thought of this, I promis everyone Jay has thought of things I havent, and we are both open to all suggestions.
Lets not worry about $$$ just yet. Lets get the rules down and deal put together. then yes we should do a raise and credit anyone who adds $100 or more to the pot, Just thinking out loud. I have no incentive to make $$ here, I'm doing this cause i love pool, since I cant run 12 balls, I can be a part of history anther way, helping organize this plan.
Let me get with Jay and he will update things as they are formulated. I think were on to something cool, pool needs it, we want it, some player deserves a good solid payday. I'm not pulling for any one player, heck i'd love to see the record broken and 6 months later a new record. that was 2 guys can get paid. thats another detail Jay and I need to discuss.
Jay has been my friend for many years and we work well together, we had one beef one time and I will never feel right about it, It was 1000% my fault. Jay accepted my apology. I'm still embarrassed for what i said, Jay didnt have to ever accept it, but he did and I'm eternally grateful and still feel like shit and am embarrassed. it as over nothing, I was out of line and wrong.
You can be sure it will be a legit, fun event, we dont know when its gonna happen, thats kinda cool too.
so let Jay and I go to work on this and the suggestion box is open, the last thing thats going to happen is Jay and I get tricked out of any $$$ or we let down pool fans by finding out the table was gaffed, or if the player took Steroids to break the record
(for the record i'm the, well was the steroid user). no funny biz, it will be real. worst case is they cant break the record. i dont see that happening Mark Griffen talked about the insurance policy for the record it can be had for less than 10%, we just did a $7,777,777.77 fantasy sports event and it was closer to 3%. Still a pile of $$$. I dont think its necessary to do that for this, i believe a grass roots effort within the pool community wil get the job done, and when we get on main stream media that Mosconi's record was broken, a few people might just go play pool that woudnt have otherwise. how nice would that be. its a positive thing the whole way around, if it becomes a pissing contest or finger pointing and infighting in the pool world, i'm out and will be disappointed. We owe it to ourselves to make this happen and all be friends.and Crown the new Mosconi. Barry Hearn might have to re-name the Mosconi Cup hahahaha, how abut that???
jay email me when you have time.
best
eric
Clean the balls, fine, but wax or polish them, no. Here is the WPA requirement:
"Balls should be unpolished, and should also not be waxed. Balls should be cleaned with a towel or cloth free of dirt and dust, and may also be washed with soap and water. Balls contaminated with any slippery substance - treated with a polishing or rubbing compound and/or waxed - must be cleansed and dewaxed with a clean cloth moistened with diluted alcohol before play."
I have no problem with that.
Ken,
were 100% cool and on the same page, i just was lazy and didn't address everything in my reply, for 2 reasons. First I was lazy and 2nd i need to talk to Jay.
I agree 1000000% with what your saying it needs to be a factory spec non modified box. with good balls
And like jay just said "good video"-Jay i'll talk to you later about this, i know people in that biz that can pick up a "splice" or digital edit or what ever the new word of the day is. It must be continuous, if the player takes a 30 minute break/rest, the camera runs THE WHOLE TIME.
Jay and I have lots to talk about to make this a professional long standing offer, it may take a year, maybe a month.
I believe its fair to say Jay would agree wth me, we want to create a real unquestionable attempt to break the record with a 100% legit run of 527 or more,so there will be NO DOUBT OF THE AUTHICENTITY OF THE NEW RECORD, thats my thinking and i'm sure everyone else wants the same, If they want to clean the balls, thats cool the ball cleaner can be next to the table, so that will be visable as well, these details we can work out, i can reach out to some of the players, between Jay and I we can get to ALL of the contenders, and approach them with a real offer.
One other idea, Barry Hearn got lots of Matchroom records in this years Guiness Book of World Records, now that means Barry has juice with the World Record people, guess what Jay knows Barry very well so in all likelihood the record will go into Guniess Book of World records. this is why Jay and I need some lead time, to look into this stuff-i'm not sure if Jay even thought of this, I promis everyone Jay has thought of things I havent, and we are both open to all suggestions.
Lets not worry about $$$ just yet. Lets get the rules down and deal put together. then yes we should do a raise and credit anyone who adds $100 or more to the pot, Just thinking out loud. I have no incentive to make $$ here, I'm doing this cause i love pool, since I cant run 12 balls, I can be a part of history anther way, helping organize this plan.
Let me get with Jay and he will update things as they are formulated. I think were on to something cool, pool needs it, we want it, some player deserves a good solid payday. I'm not pulling for any one player, heck i'd love to see the record broken and 6 months later a new record. that was 2 guys can get paid. thats another detail Jay and I need to discuss.
Jay has been my friend for many years and we work well together, we had one beef one time and I will never feel right about it, It was 1000% my fault. Jay accepted my apology. I'm still embarrassed for what i said, Jay didnt have to ever accept it, but he did and I'm eternally grateful and still feel like shit and am embarrassed. it as over nothing, I was out of line and wrong.
You can be sure it will be a legit, fun event, we dont know when its gonna happen, thats kinda cool too.
so let Jay and I go to work on this and the suggestion box is open, the last thing thats going to happen is Jay and I get tricked out of any $$$ or we let down pool fans by finding out the table was gaffed, or if the player took Steroids to break the record
Mark Griffen talked about the insurance policy for the record it can be had for less than 10%, we just did a $7,777,777.77 fantasy sports event and it was closer to 3%. Still a pile of $$$. I dont think its necessary to do that for this, i believe a grass roots effort within the pool community wil get the job done, and when we get on main stream media that Mosconi's record was broken, a few people might just go play pool that woudnt have otherwise. how nice would that be. its a positive thing the whole way around, if it becomes a pissing contest or finger pointing and infighting in the pool world, i'm out and will be disappointed. We owe it to ourselves to make this happen and all be friends.and Crown the new Mosconi. Barry Hearn might have to re-name the Mosconi Cup hahahaha, how abut that???
jay email me when you have time.
best
eric
What we may require is to see the specs on a table prior to the attempts being made. If we okay it, they can proceed and take as many tries as they want. As far as I'm concerned, it's a go right now. I've got 10K that speaks for me. And if it's during Mark's event it looks like they could get 20K. With me this record can be attempted anywhere at anytime, no specific location required. I want players all over the world to feel free to swing at 527. But it must be one continuous clean recording. Any funny business and it's over. Better yet, maybe they should stream it as well. That's a good back-up security and any good video guy can hook this up.
djakrse
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That idea sounds just like a Kickstarter fund (I can link site later if needed) , I think it's called. Anyone browsing the site can choose to donate. I've never used it, but you can get funding for anything that way, and nobody gets charged until the goal is reached. I'm not sure if the goal has to be a monetary value, a date, or whenever someone says it's been met. Worth looking into though.
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I like this but how to enforce it?
I guess you'd just make it (no polishing or waxing) one of the conditions you list when you formally announce the "rules" of the event, like foul on all balls. Enforcement is easy at high-run events, but otherwise it would just be by self-policing (and, perhaps, subsequent attestation).
Okay I guess I am too stupid to understand how the insurance works.
Let's assume there is a 10% fee. How often does the fee need to be paid and how long is it in effect.
I am thinking if $100,000 could be raised to pay the fee on $1MM payday.
I know I am missing something, someone straighten me out.
With a $1MM payday, now that would generate some interest!
Did CJ / Jay somehow got the Earl Strickland $1MM messed up, and it took a lawyer and a settlement that was less than the full payout?
We all need to learn from that and make sure that there are no mis-steps.
Ken
Let's assume there is a 10% fee. How often does the fee need to be paid and how long is it in effect.
I am thinking if $100,000 could be raised to pay the fee on $1MM payday.
I know I am missing something, someone straighten me out.
With a $1MM payday, now that would generate some interest!
Did CJ / Jay somehow got the Earl Strickland $1MM messed up, and it took a lawyer and a settlement that was less than the full payout?
We all need to learn from that and make sure that there are no mis-steps.
Ken
Personally, I don't care what they do to the balls with three stipulations:
1. Whatever you're going to do to the balls -- wash, wax on wax off, car polish, silicone, plastic cleaner/polish, grease, whatever -- do it at the start of the run. The balls should not be run through a polisher, wiped down, or caressed after that point.
2. The shooter cannot touch the CB after the start of a run.
3. If an OB or the CB gets something on it, a referee, or at least someone other than the player, can mark the ball and wipe off the offending pollution.
Just my 2 cents.
Lou Figueroa
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Gotta be KIDDING!!!!!!!!!
Unbelievable...first Harriman lies about his run IF ITS ON VIDEO HOW CAN YOU CLAIM 379??) Putting Max Eberle in a weird position as he posted it thinking if Harriman actually did it, and Max being a gentleman congratulates him for "The Highest Run on Video". Then Harriman asks for the post to be taken down because he knows he didn't actually break Schmidt's 366 on video .. then he has the balls to question one of the TABLES of either the 400 or 403 that John made. Way to go from defense to offense..Why are 99 out of 100 posts that Harriman writes include Schmidt's name? Post after post, year after year. That isn't his perceived "rivalry" or simple jealousy/sour grapes, that's obsession and its getting to the level of disturbing.
Unbelievable...first Harriman lies about his run IF ITS ON VIDEO HOW CAN YOU CLAIM 379??) Putting Max Eberle in a weird position as he posted it thinking if Harriman actually did it, and Max being a gentleman congratulates him for "The Highest Run on Video". Then Harriman asks for the post to be taken down because he knows he didn't actually break Schmidt's 366 on video .. then he has the balls to question one of the TABLES of either the 400 or 403 that John made. Way to go from defense to offense..Why are 99 out of 100 posts that Harriman writes include Schmidt's name? Post after post, year after year. That isn't his perceived "rivalry" or simple jealousy/sour grapes, that's obsession and its getting to the level of disturbing.
If you play any amount of straight pool, and can run a few racks, you know it is very easy to screw up the count.
Danny made an honest mistake.
Lou Figueroa
Frankly keeping the score right is one of the downsides of 14.1. Maybe if you play it all the time it becomes second nature, but it was always a challenge for me.
Ken
It was 526! :thumbup:
Honest Mistake for 2 FULL RACKS????
It was his highest run ever - on tape or off - and he's a professional and knows the game is measured on the count..did you screw up your count on your highest run? And he taped it as well so it makes the count MUCH easier...REVIEW THE TAPE. How do you know it was an honest mistake? Were you there? He wasn't off by one ball, HE WAS OFF BY 2 FULL RACKS. I never heard of anyone "screwing up" the count by 28 balls. And it wasn't a match so there were no fouls to MAYBE be off by one ball. I actually have run racks and know how to count...especially during my best run EVER. That's one hell of an "honest mistake". And on top of it he went public about it and it made an honest and respected pro post a congratulation thread on a false claim. I think he wanted to beat Schmidt's record so bad that maybe he added a couple of racks in excitement, probably shouldn't have done that.
Its a MAJOR screw up and if it wasn't on DVD for him to post/sell and people to be able to count it themselves..whose to say he would have corrected himself, calls his credibility into question bigtime. No 14.1 player in the world, amateur or pro is ever off by 28 balls.
You're quite obviously, Harrimans sock puppet..and a very bad time to be one.
It was his highest run ever - on tape or off - and he's a professional and knows the game is measured on the count..did you screw up your count on your highest run? And he taped it as well so it makes the count MUCH easier...REVIEW THE TAPE. How do you know it was an honest mistake? Were you there? He wasn't off by one ball, HE WAS OFF BY 2 FULL RACKS. I never heard of anyone "screwing up" the count by 28 balls. And it wasn't a match so there were no fouls to MAYBE be off by one ball. I actually have run racks and know how to count...especially during my best run EVER. That's one hell of an "honest mistake". And on top of it he went public about it and it made an honest and respected pro post a congratulation thread on a false claim. I think he wanted to beat Schmidt's record so bad that maybe he added a couple of racks in excitement, probably shouldn't have done that.
Its a MAJOR screw up and if it wasn't on DVD for him to post/sell and people to be able to count it themselves..whose to say he would have corrected himself, calls his credibility into question bigtime. No 14.1 player in the world, amateur or pro is ever off by 28 balls.
You're quite obviously, Harrimans sock puppet..and a very bad time to be one.
No one is going to come here and claim the wrong number on purpose. He claimed he had the higher number without first reviewing the tape. When he reviewed it, he saw he had screwed up the count and fessed up.
It was an honest mistake in my book.
Lou Figueroa
still sore about
the CW sock puppet thing, eh
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