I'll take you as a partner any day, you know that. To answer Jam, YES it's on the square. Even you can shoot at it!
Congrats to Danny Harriman 379 Ball Run Highest Ever on Video
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I'll take you as a partner any day, you know that. To answer Jam, YES it's on the square. Even you can shoot at it!
I'll take you as a partner any day, you know that. To answer Jam, YES it's on the square. Even you can shoot at it!
Would you entertain the idea of providing a press release documenting this challenge to AzBilliards, Billiards Digest, and other online pool-related sites? It just might go a long way in promoting pool, which I think is something we all agree needs a wee bit of help.
10 dimes ain't enough to make me practice 24/7/365.
Even if I were to do so, I probably couldn't run more than 20 in a row. But for those in stroke, 10 dimes is an attractive gold ring to go after, so to speak.
Hear, hear! Tap, tap, tap!
When the HR record was broken it got forgotten really fast due to all the steroid crap hehe. I think many people will still cling to the old records. They need to have records based on equal equipment. For example, longest drive in golf, none of the pro players would be able to hit what they hit on equipment that was round in the 60s, yet there are "new" records set.
Wish there was a way to take the equipment advances away from new records so it would be possible to compete on equal footing with those that came before.
So are you saying "me2" that you'll put in another 10k? So there is now a 20k pot for whoever beats Mosconi?
I'll take you as a partner any day, you know that. To answer Jam, YES it's on the square. Even you can shoot at it!
thanks Jay, your family to me, now more than ever-since my uncle passed away. I have no blood family left. Let me tell you something, that changes how you value your friends.
JAM,
What I did in business that really allowed me to expand into something much larger than I ever thought possible was what you just said. I phrased it like this "Smart people hire smarter people in their field of excellence". All I really did was put together the talent and followed up to be sure things got done. I didnt really do anything but that. The first year, I did data entry and was the janitor, painter, you name it I did it. However when things began to grow, I took, my talent(good judgment) put it use and empowered the best people for the job I could find. I respected them and paid better than anyone else cause i didnt want them looking for a better job elsewhere. That logic right there allowed me to create something bigger than i ever could have alone, wow it was amazing i'd go to the office)s) and see things I had no idea about, that were working. It took on a life of its own, and its because I chose good people who cared. My other line and guideline was "I can pay them to work, but I cant pay them to care". I wanted people who cared, not people grinding out a paycheck. I cared and so did my staff. thats the trick to having 750-950 employees for 8 of the 12 years we were open, the other years I had 50-600 people.
Thats how I did it, I wasnt greedy. I'd overpay people enough that they were happy, I'm not a sucker either-then they dont respect you. A lot of that "Judgment" I learned in the pool rooms, I saw people negotiating games, I saw what worked and what didnt. Betting with your ego is the worst move possible, running a biz with your ego is the worst move.
Please tell Keith, dont shove his stack with the 2nd best hand
. He knows that, just busting chops.Back to straight pool, yeah lets do this. Jay and I will get together and come up with a idea, format, marketing plan, equipment guidelines, verification standards and guidelines and probably things I havent covered. A real solid frame work that the players will know and understand and play by.
I believe the talent is there for more than one guy to break the record. I know If I could run 350-400, I'm be on a mission to get to 527, i'd be obsessed until i got there. Since my hi run in 14.1 is lower than my high run in one hole; nobody has to sweat me.:frown: If i played for 14.1 for a year solid i might get 75-100. I can run 10's and 12's all day long into one hole when i'm practicing. I think I ran 8 using all 6 pockets.
So we have the promoters, idea, we need to set up the guidelines and i know we have the talent. Lets "Make it Happen" oh wait thats Pat's line:grin-square: "Lets Do It" how about that?
best
eric:smile:
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I'll take you as a partner any day, you know that. To answer Jam, YES it's on the square. Even you can shoot at it!
I'll do it if you pay for each ball made in the attempt :wink: My high run is 31, that's only $608
Eric and Jay, i am pulling my hat off to you guys ! Hope this will be worked out and happen someday. would be just awesome. If i had enough money i would have put up a big number of $$$$ myself.....maybe i win in the lottery some day lol....get it on guys ! :wink::thumbup:
Be prepared......
You have to wonder how a record break would be received.
If the record does break, there will be those who would want to send the cleaning towel to the lab to have it inspected for silicone traces. Some will request that the table be checked for levelness, the slates inspected for sanding etc. What about that fan buzzing in the background and was someone supplying him with the "secrets" to the patterns through that ear piece he was wearing and "Lo, did you see how he picked up the cue ball in the middle of the run to clean it? Oh wait, I didn't see a certified inspector pick that up and clean that cue ball." :lmao:
In Willie's time, the information sharing wasn't what it is today.
This era's straight pool world record-breaking will be met with caterwauling of heated feline intensity of incomparable proportions.
I doubt that many people posed those type of questions to Willie after his great run. The next great champion to break the straight pool record on tape will be subjugated to the sickening gauntlet, ad infinitum and without mercy.
You have to wonder how a record break would be received.
If the record does break, there will be those who would want to send the cleaning towel to the lab to have it inspected for silicone traces. Some will request that the table be checked for levelness, the slates inspected for sanding etc. What about that fan buzzing in the background and was someone supplying him with the "secrets" to the patterns through that ear piece he was wearing and "Lo, did you see how he picked up the cue ball in the middle of the run to clean it? Oh wait, I didn't see a certified inspector pick that up and clean that cue ball." :lmao:
In Willie's time, the information sharing wasn't what it is today.
This era's straight pool world record-breaking will be met with caterwauling of heated feline intensity of incomparable proportions.
I doubt that many people posed those type of questions to Willie after his great run. The next great champion to break the straight pool record on tape will be subjugated to the sickening gauntlet, ad infinitum and without mercy.
your right, we can thank all the lawyers for making things the way they are today. doubt this, analyze that, verify the other thing etc etc etc.
we will keep it simple, i aint gonna fall into that trap, they can juice the balls all they want, as long as the slates aint altered or the video edited. it should stand as a record.
I'll take you as a partner any day, you know that. To answer Jam, YES it's on the square. Even you can shoot at it!
Jay: Whenever you guys put this together, I will throw $500 into the pot for you guys to award to whoever breaks the record. It is not a lot, but if enough of us little guys get together, maybe it can help out the prize fund a bit. As the ball gets rolling, you might be able to get outfits like Simonis, Championship Cloth, Aramith and/or others to throw a little at the fund, also.
Edit: By the way, my donation would be for someone breaking the record. If the record is not broken, the donation is not given.
I would leave it to Jay to figure out the particulars of what needs to be done in terms of table, cleaning, etc., etc. I trust his judgment and there is no need for me to meddle. Too many cooks could easily spoil the broth.
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Yeah I would probably throw in a couple of hundred too as a donation. Perhaps somebody could set up a fund where we could all kick in through PayPal with no expectation of recompense unless its over $XX,XXX.00
Personally, if this type of option were available I would want to see the "donations" awarded to some worthy cause if the record is not broken in some specified period of time -- say five - ten years.
I have a question though. What is needed to film the whole run? Wouldn't such a camera with that much storage be pretty expensive?
Given the nature of some players it would be necessary to have some sort of independent certification or a clock running or something wouldn't it?
Probably would need some sort of freeze frame showing all ball positions when the camera is re-loaded if that is necessary?
The first person who exceeds Mosconi's run could be awarded a dollar a ball or something to add to the excitement and pressure.
Boxing has its belts and perhaps a golden cue or some such awarded to the current "title holder" would add prestige to the event. The cue must of course be passed to the next person who breaks the record. Gold plated of course like the academy awards.
Oh yeah, it also seems the person should be able to clean the cue ball periodically, the object balls are no real problem, but a clean cue ball should be allowed in some way. Perhaps a piece of paper with a slit to go around the ball could be used at the end of any rack.
Finally, whoever makes the award should (in conjunction with others?) verify that the run was legitimate by independently evaluating the DVD. In that way there would be less controversy.
Personally, if this type of option were available I would want to see the "donations" awarded to some worthy cause if the record is not broken in some specified period of time -- say five - ten years.
I have a question though. What is needed to film the whole run? Wouldn't such a camera with that much storage be pretty expensive?
Given the nature of some players it would be necessary to have some sort of independent certification or a clock running or something wouldn't it?
Probably would need some sort of freeze frame showing all ball positions when the camera is re-loaded if that is necessary?
The first person who exceeds Mosconi's run could be awarded a dollar a ball or something to add to the excitement and pressure.
Boxing has its belts and perhaps a golden cue or some such awarded to the current "title holder" would add prestige to the event. The cue must of course be passed to the next person who breaks the record. Gold plated of course like the academy awards.
Oh yeah, it also seems the person should be able to clean the cue ball periodically, the object balls are no real problem, but a clean cue ball should be allowed in some way. Perhaps a piece of paper with a slit to go around the ball could be used at the end of any rack.
Finally, whoever makes the award should (in conjunction with others?) verify that the run was legitimate by independently evaluating the DVD. In that way there would be less controversy.
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I thought what could screw this up.
I could only come up with one way;
A doctored table.
My advice, it to have a STOCK Gold Crown or Diamond table.
NOT a Fatboy, not an Earl, not a JAY, NOT a Smiddy, not a Harriman, a stock one that ANYONE could buy at their local GC or Diamond shop.
Have it verified as 100% stock, and then go.
Homeruns record is forever lost because of general public lost faith. We need a table that has no way of being considered "doctored".
JMO
Ken Strain
Ken,
you can be assured that if Jay and I do this it will be on a real table and after the run we will get the pocket profile(all the different degrees and size of front and back of the pocket), its very easy with no cloth to be sure the slate has or hasnt been doctored.
Any funny biz, no payday & Speaking for myself as I havent spoke to Jay yet, if anyone gets caught using a gaff table they are banned from other attempts for life. That should keep the players on the square, it wouldnt be worth it. Hell they are so close now IMO who works the hardest wins. So the risk of a lifetime ban dont make sense, too much to lose. Thats how i'd handle that.
also Jay and I need to get together and figure out exactly what needs to be done to protect the integrity of the new record, who gets paid what, how much $$$ we really need for everything(like checking the table after the fact) making sure the video isnt doctored some way some how(i have people for that).
there is lots of moving parts here, i expect we will need a month to figure it all out, when we do Jay can make a press release-he writes much better than I do, and has way more juice.
he wouldn't put his name on a gaff, nor will I.
best
eric
As Bob Jewett said,
The BCAPL Hi-Run Challenge (2011 & 2012) had a $20,000 reward for anyone who beat Mosconi's record.
That was put up by Mark Griffin and Bob Jewett.
Harriman ran 199 and had that awful scratch that ended the run.
We are planning on doing the same at the 2013 event (July 17-27 at the Rio).
I tried to get a sport insurance policy for $1 million. Could not get. In fact they wanted a premium of 10% of the prize if I remember corrrectly - so $50,000 prize would cost $5,000. The actual odds of someone beating Mosconi 526 has got to be WAAAAAYYYYYY higher than that!.
Mark Griffin
Thanks guys, the more money in the pot, the more attractive it becomes. I've now had three offers to add money to the pot. I won't accept anything in advance, just your word. AFTER it's accomplished you can send in your share.
I'm not as particular about the table as I am about a proper video of EVERYTHING! I know that to make a run like this takes stamina and continued focus. Most runs over 300 balls end because a players got a little weary and loses his concentration on a shot.
That said, we definitely will examine the table after the run to verify everything was and is legit. Only then will money be paid and the DVD's made for the world to see. I will make a big splash in the media that Mosconi's sixty year old record has fallen! That's my plan.
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