How Can It Be?
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Cool shot.
Although 'lighter cue ball' is a valid explanation of how to make the backward-forward motion possible, in this case I'm going with the jump theory, i.e. the cue ball has left the table before colliding with the object ball, causing it to rebound backward, and then the topspin kicks in to cause it to roll forward. The stroke is powerful enough, and seems to be on the downward side, that I don't see how the cue ball wouldn't have left the table (albeit, maybe only a 1/16", or so)...
That's my take.
Although 'lighter cue ball' is a valid explanation of how to make the backward-forward motion possible, in this case I'm going with the jump theory, i.e. the cue ball has left the table before colliding with the object ball, causing it to rebound backward, and then the topspin kicks in to cause it to roll forward. The stroke is powerful enough, and seems to be on the downward side, that I don't see how the cue ball wouldn't have left the table (albeit, maybe only a 1/16", or so)...
That's my take.
I agree with Neil and Bob and whoever else said it. It's hit very high, almost a full hit on the red, with some left english, a monster stroke, and a light cue ball. The only way the CB moves like it does is with high left, and the only way it gets around the yellow with follow is being quite a bit lighter than the red.
-Andrew
-Andrew
I agree with this.
Different sized and weighted balls in 3c would be a cheat. There are 2 cue balls in 3c. The white should be the same as the yellow. I doubt they are weighted differently. The red looks to be the same size as the yellow.
The shot is jacked up, not much, just a bit. Look at the bridge hand and the stroke down.
I don't agree with the jump theory. If the CB had landed on top of the red ball with that much power behind the shot, it would have bounced up in the air noticeably.
-Andrew
-Andrew
Not only that, the cue-ball would've went forward, even with draw.
I'm not sure where it was said it's aramith 3c, but the white and yellow both have "measles" like the Aramith Pro balls.
I don't think (and it doesn't look like) the cue ball lands on top of the red ball. It only needs to be descending, with the impact slightly above the equator of the object ball to cause the CB to rebound backward (I would think :smile
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I've got league tonight, and I'm going to get there early enough to try and reproduce what I think is happening. More later, if someone else doesn't beat me to the experiment.
.I've got league tonight, and I'm going to get there early enough to try and reproduce what I think is happening. More later, if someone else doesn't beat me to the experiment.
the rules of physics apply universally to everything, pool balls, bowling balls and 3c balls
If two IDENTICAL balls are rolling at identical speed towards each other on Simonis cloth and collide at a perfect 180 degree angle, do they just stop or do they bounce back from each other then continue forward with the retained rotation and collide again? COR, coefficient of restitution comes into play. Two balls of soft clay would be different.
Yeah, there's a dot, it's pretty plain to see.
I don't think there's any flavor of topspin that makes the ball go backward unless it's lighter.
At the same time, it seems weird to me that someone would play a prank using a light ball
and put it up on youtube just to trick the few people who understand and care.
Andrew: I'm looking forward to testing it. Eddie's is a good place for that cuz they have smaller/lighter
cue balls. I can test the jump theory with an object ball, and the light ball theory with the cue ball.
I don't think there's any flavor of topspin that makes the ball go backward unless it's lighter.
At the same time, it seems weird to me that someone would play a prank using a light ball
and put it up on youtube just to trick the few people who understand and care.
Andrew: I'm looking forward to testing it. Eddie's is a good place for that cuz they have smaller/lighter
cue balls. I can test the jump theory with an object ball, and the light ball theory with the cue ball.
But conditions can change what is possible.....
...I've done shots at 125 degrees that are impossible at room temperature.
Never-the-less, I'm starting to lean toward your and Bob Jewett's theory
of a light cue-ball.
When I was a kid, there were green-dot cue-balls around (aka Macon fast-draw),
they were regulation size but lighter composition, doing 'delayed top spin' with
them was easy.
It's tempting to think that people will act rationally but how do you explain this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
It happens all the time on the 8or9 ball break shot with high english, cb bounces back and goes forward. But of course the whole mass deal is ideal for it to happen. Why would the cb in 3c be lighter? i know the balls are bigger than the ones for pocket billiards, to me they would be heavier if anything.