Rankings for LD shafts

Wileydog said:
I have a question regarding the videos for meucci black dot using a robot. I noticed in every case, the object ball traveled a lot farther in the tests with the other shaft than it did when he used the black dot. Would hitting the black dot at a lower speed explain the extreme difference in their results?
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... possibly.

The problems with the Meucci tests were:

- The cue was not level (which brings swerve into the equation, which varies with shot speed, which varies with cue weight).

- The cue ball hit an object ball instead of going straight to the target wall (which brings throw into the equation, which varies with surface conditions at the point of contact and with speed).

- The robot "grip" was too tight and the heavy robot "arm" added to the weight of the cue, possibly resulting is unintentional (and unnoticeable) double hits or pushes.

- He was not impartial, so all results are suspect.

Regards,
Dave
 
these are misleading...

Squirt results by themselves are misleading. Spin induced and collision induced throw aid in automatically compensating for squirt. A better test of LD shafts would be the amount of compensation needed for shot at various distances with negligible changes in initial aim vector.

I recently had user of the ob classic hit a couple of balls with my LD shaft design and he was tentative. I said go ahead and shoot by parallel shifting far out on the edge.

The ball went dead center pocket And the cb just sat there spinning.

Then he did the Same thing with the ob classic and it responded almost the same.

I think people tend to underestimate what they can do with LD shafts an or bye an thy play tentatively.

Jaden
 
I`m not very familiar with LD shafts, but i have tried OB2, 314/2 and Jacoby hybrid edge.
I found all three to give very harsh feedback. The Jacoby felt stiffest, OB2 second and 314/2 third.
Is there any LD shafts that more resembels the feel of a natural maple shaft?
I have looked at the Katana shaft and I`m thinking about buying it because It`s the cheapest LD shaft. Wondering how the McDermott LD shafts and Meucci black/red dot shafts feels too?
 
Kim -
Most people complain that LD shafts give less feedback / are less stiff than what they are used to. What is your normal cue and shaft you are comparing against?

What you are feeling could be the difference in the joint which has a major impact on how much feedback you get from any shaft. If your normal cue is a wood to wood joint or phenolic and the LD shafts were metal joints that would make them feel quite harsh compared to what you are used to. Could that be what you were seeing?

If it is a joint issue then getting the same joint you are used to might be enough to make you happy - hard to say on something as personal as "feel". The Meucci shafts are often referred to as the most flexible / provide the least feedback of any shaft - which is a characteristic of how they achieve low deflection. I wouldn't say there is any LD shaft that feels like a standard / run of the mill maple shaft - but I would say they all feel more flexible not more stiff as you have experienced which brings me back to the joint.

Craig
 
cyork2 said:
Kim -
Most people complain that LD shafts give less feedback / are less stiff than what they are used to. What is your normal cue and shaft you are comparing against?

What you are feeling could be the difference in the joint which has a major impact on how much feedback you get from any shaft. If your normal cue is a wood to wood joint or phenolic and the LD shafts were metal joints that would make them feel quite harsh compared to what you are used to. Could that be what you were seeing?

If it is a joint issue then getting the same joint you are used to might be enough to make you happy - hard to say on something as personal as "feel". The Meucci shafts are often referred to as the most flexible / provide the least feedback of any shaft - which is a characteristic of how they achieve low deflection. I wouldn't say there is any LD shaft that feels like a standard / run of the mill maple shaft - but I would say they all feel more flexible not more stiff as you have experienced which brings me back to the joint.

Craig
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It`s hard to tell. I usually play with a Jim Baxter cue, It`s got a phenolic/phenolic joint and radial pin. The shaft itself seems to be a good quality maple shaft, much darker in colour compared to my Joss cue`s shaft witch is almost white in colour.
I think it`s been predator cues I`ve tried with OB and 314/2 shaft. The Jacoby was on a jacoby with phonelic joint.
My cue has a brass pin, so i guess It`s quite soft.
I have tried a few Mezz cues and they have all felt very nice.
I love the wrapless Schon cues, but like my Joss it has a metal joint so It`s very stiff.
I play mostly 14.1 so It\s not that often i use extreme draw or follow like you would in a game of 9/10 ball.
I quess It`s a psycological aspect, you see all the players around you with their LD shafts and you think: "I need that too.."
 
Here at Keith Kues, we are in the process of patenting our "negative deflection" shaft. It's never misses, because it takes into factor the rotational spin of the earth, with a counter active magnetic inducer, that balances the traditional leverage application to offset the mass quantitative spin.

It's the nutz...


In all seriousness though Keith Kues is producing a low deflection shaft that were going to send around to a few choice folks for some reviews. We will be offering these in both laminated and traditional maple options. They retain that super stiff hit that Keith Kues are known for, while reducing deflection with lower mass at the end of the shaft. Not revolutionary by any means, but a few good tricks combined to equal a good product at a reasonable price.

I like these best simply because they don't hit like a wet sponge... I like a stiff hit, and that's tough to get from the name LD shaft options out there.

Best,

Justin
 
Best wishes for your new product!

jhanso18 said:
Here at Keith Kues, we are in the process of patenting our "negative deflection" shaft. It's never misses, because it takes into factor the rotational spin of the earth, with a counter active magnetic inducer, that balances the traditional leverage application to offset the mass quantitative spin.

It's the nutz...


In all seriousness though Keith Kues is producing a low deflection shaft that were going to send around to a few choice folks for some reviews. We will be offering these in both laminated and traditional maple options. They retain that super stiff hit that Keith Kues are known for, while reducing deflection with lower mass at the end of the shaft. Not revolutionary by any means, but a few good tricks combined to equal a good product at a reasonable price.

I like these best simply because they don't hit like a wet sponge... I like a stiff hit, and that's tough to get from the name LD shaft options out there.

Best,

Justin
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Justin,

I wish you the best with your new product and would be interested in trying the standard maple LD once done. Keep us posted on the progress.

Muziq
 
calibration said:
What's most interesting to me is you still have to compensate for deflection no matter if its a z shaft or a 3 dollar kmart shaft

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Freaking BINGO !!!!! They are a scam, a rip off, a bunch of sh#@$. If you spend more than 50 bucks for a shaft IMO you are being robbed.

I don't know why ... we all have our pet peeves, and this one really makes me crazy how many people get ripped off buying expensive shafts.

Now .... don't get me wrong. If you have bags of money to throw around go for it. Otherwise .....

Get tight grained rock maple with a good ferrule, and put on a good tip of your choice, taper the shaft the way you like it with a drill and some sandpaper, and you're done!

Should one of them warp on you (which has NEVER happened to me btw, Big deal, get another. It feels much better throwing a $30 dollar shaft in the dumpster than it does throwing a $250 dollar shaft in the dumpster.

If you have the money to throw around, then that's another thing, go enjoy. But if you are like most of us, don't fall for that crap of a $250 dollar cue shaft.

Here's the extent of my cues. 4 cues ..... 8 shafts (count em ...8) ... joint protectors ..... free shipping ..... All together 340 bucks.



Then after I recovered from that expenditure, I splurged and had them all re-wrapped locally for $40 bucks each from Paul Drexler, who told me it's all good wood and he couldn't buy the wood that was used to make these cues for what I paid for the finished product.

I show these to illustrate that a nice playing cue doesn't have to cost a zillion dollars.

Playing pool and collecting cues are two different animals. Both of which are just fine if you know the difference and are good with it.

I am not a cue collector and wouldn't spend more than 200 bucks for any cue. When I hit the lottery, maybe that will change. Shafts fall into that same category, you pay for some trumped up name.
 

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Dear Dr. Dave. How do you think is it possible to use such device (testing machine) to test cues and shafts to get objective, and not depending on the subjective actions of the player, measures of deflection. What the advantages and disadvantages of this device do you see? Here I posted an article about this testing machine.
http://dbkcues.ru/articles-2/cue-testing-unit/?lang=en
You have wealth of experience in testing cues and shafts.The author of this machine (Alexander Sorokin) and me are very interested in your opinion. Thank you. Dmitry.
 
I think when I started this thread a while back, I wasn't looking for the lowest deflecting shaft but the looking for the best shaft.

In other words, one of these LD shaft may have more deflection than another shaft, but still could be a better overall shaft.
 
DBK said:
Dear Dr. Dave. How do you think is it possible to use such device (testing machine) to test cues and shafts to get objective, and not depending on the subjective actions of the player, measures of deflection. What the advantages and disadvantages of this device do you see? Here I posted an article about this testing machine.
http://dbkcues.ru/articles-2/cue-testing-unit/?lang=en
You have wealth of experience in testing cues and shafts.The author of this machine (Alexander Sorokin) and me are very interested in your opinion. Thank you. Dmitry.
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Your machine looks well-designed to me; although, it seems like you are not able to get the cue totally level (horizontal) for squirt testing (unless you remove one of the rails). Also, have you tested with off-center hits to make sure the grip "flesh" is flexible enough and the grip mechanism is light enough to prevent pushes or double hits, especially at large tip offsets?

Catch you later,
Dave
 
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