Tar 35 Saturday updates Please
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Well,
One big reason is that we don't have to stand in line and be interviewed as if we wanted to take over the USA like bunny rabbits to get a visa to go to China or Taiwan. Sorry but the United States Immigration system makes it quite difficult for professional pool players to get visas. Several times players have wanted to come and been denied visas.
Another reason is simply that the cost of living is so much higher in the USA, taxis, food, even lodging is more expensive.
And the third reason is ROI, there are more big time events in Asia than in the USA so sticking around here makes sense.
Believe me the players want to go to America, every body loves America. In the old school TAR race to 100 for $10,000 I had a couple backers interested in that but when they ran the numbers on flights, lodging and the visa hassles they told me it's not worth it. I mean they manage to make it over when the potential prize is big enough as you have seen with previous Challenge of Champions events.
I wonder after this performance if it wouldn't be worth it for Shane's backers to put up a challenge like David Matlock or Buddy Hall's backers had, put up like $50K and say anyone in the world can come and play Shane in the same conditions he is playing under right now. Does anyone even have the heart to back Shane in that type of challenge?
I have to say, and this is ONLY my opinon, that if a player runs racks back at Shane then Shane gets a little upset and can develop a little hitch in his stroke. BUT he has also shown that he can overcome his own tendency to get upset and still play top level pool. SO, I'd like to see some of the big breaking Taiwanese come over and do battle.
Right now, like Boxing there are multiple "camps" so to speak and Shane is hte undisputed Champion of the World in the TAR camp. In the SEA money match camp it's Yang if you consider that he went to the Philippines and and beat Orcullo twice.
But then Orcullo is still the heavyweight champion of the Philippine money games.
So what to do?
How about this. Let make a TAR preorder. Let's all put up $50 and have a drive to get 500 people to pay up for the stream in advance putting 25k into the fund to get one of the top taiwanese over to play Shane, let the backers put up the rest and let's see an old fashioned wild west shootout for serious money.
I know Shane and Dennis put up 5k of their own money, or at least Shane put up his own but let's be real, when you have two nobodies in Jackson Mississippi betting 16k 10 ahead then the top pros should be betting way more than that, in my opinon again.
Don't get me wrong I am loving this match even if it is a blowout at this point. I bet on Alex when Alex was 17 games down and let's not forget Efren was also like 17 games games down against Strickland way back in the day. You can't ever count a Filipino out until the last ball falls. But I do wish for the days when there was 10,20, 30k or more on the line. Somehow that made it just a little more exciting knowing that they were playing for a year's wages at an average 9:5 job.
So yeah let's get the best Taiwanese or Chinese player over here and see what they can do against the Shane Train. I think I still have to take Shane but at least it would settle the question.
If I learned anything in my life I learned don't take everything at face value it's one match and Shane's in peak form with his break and out front running
I think his mental edge since midway thru day one he only broke dry 2 out of 35 racks not many too pros won't win under those circumstances
Earl knew it thats why he got him out of his domain on a tight 10 footer and gave him a complete waxing
Change the apparently easy conditions for Shane and things aren't so easy
It's a great performance over a weekend I don't see Dennis seeking his cues and packing it in he will be back
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I think his mental edge since midway thru day one he only broke dry 2 out of 35 racks not many too pros won't win under those circumstances
Earl knew it thats why he got him out of his domain on a tight 10 footer and gave him a complete waxing
Change the apparently easy conditions for Shane and things aren't so easy
It's a great performance over a weekend I don't see Dennis seeking his cues and packing it in he will be back
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Why cant people just say "Damn. Shane is playing great."
The endless qualifying of things like "Well if they were on four inch pockets" or "Sure he can play with a lead." never ever makes sense to me. I guess its human nature.
Shane has had his nuts shot in on TAR. He didnt qualify it. He just said "I played bad. I'll be back" Why not just give the guy the respect he deserves when he is absolutely laying the wood to someone who was a favorite before this match started ?
Also the whole "If you change the conditions, the game, use a midget racking the balls with a 1925 Balke Collander wooden rack made of south texas Cedar and then shit would be different by God!" tilts me so bad I want to run out into traffic.
Chang, Wu, Yang, Ting. Pang, Ching a Chang Chang...it don't matter
Shane is the best in the world...If they want to be the best come to USA and try em some. If they want some of The Kid he lives in SD not hard to find.
Shane is the best in the world...If they want to be the best come to USA and try em some. If they want some of The Kid he lives in SD not hard to find.
I'm sick of it too. I like the condition they are play on. I like it when Shane breaks and Bobby says, look at that break man.
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Right on. Shane is a superstar and he is in the zone. Those of us who bought the PPV hoped to see truly great pool, and sure enough, we got it in spades. Of course, if they were playing croquet or tetherball, the game might have turned out differently, but when we bought TAR 35, we knew the game, the conditions, and the length of the match.
As you suggest, the what-ifs are irrelevant. Shane is giving a performance for the ages, and it's best to just sit back and savor it.
Yeah, Earl was better on that circus qualified fake 10ft, attempted converted snooker table, but you wouldn't see that happening again on a Diamond REAL 10ft'er. And for the record, Shane has WAXED Earl 2 times in a row on a Diamond 9ft'er
Glen
In some ways I do agree. There is a lot of untapped action out there but at least from an American perspective, if they don't come at him, they don't want any. It's real easy to get played. I've never heard of Shane turning down even 10ball action.
From what I've seen over the past two nights, and I didn't watch much last night, the dude cannot be messed with in this format. You can say he breaks too good, but I can tell you the break is part of the game and you gotta get out. Driving the golf ball is part of golf. If someone can blast a golf ball, they're a good golfer, not a just a good driver. Too many people point at his break as why he wins, but he does a whole lot more.
I would have to disagree about the 10' table match. Earl simply out shot Shane and his leaves were spot on. Same thing Jason said about this match, why can't people just admit that Earl housed Shane on the 10 footer? Their argument is Earl made the table harder to play on? Wouldn't that take a better shooter to hit the center of the pocket then?? It needs to work both ways here. When Shane does great, like he has been doing here, give him credit. On the other hand, don't be so stingy on giving praise to Earl, or Alex for that matter, when they kryptonite Superman.
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Thank you Justin! Sometimes you play great and win. Sometimes you play great and lose. Take it for what it is. They are both playing under the same circumstances. And Shane hasn't shied away from other tables, games, etc. I'm sure Dennis isn't thinking about these excuses (table, TAR, pockets, cloth, humidity, etc) in his head. He's probably just thinking he ran into a freight train. But I'm sure he'll bring everything he's got on Sunday with nothing to lose and play his best. Greenie sent your way.
Exactly.
If the table is so easy for Shane, then it should be easy for anyone that considers themselves a top tier pro.
Its so funny that when a majority of people think someone is the favorite and then they get tortured there are a 100 reasons why beside the fact that they just got beat period. Making excuses about why shane is beating everybody is not fair to his legacy he has earned the right to be the best. People just can't believe that finally a pino isn't the best. Well sad news because its an AMERICAN......
Shane played awesome!
Is it his break? Of course he has mastered the break, but there is a lot more to 10-ball than the break. And, as Shane has said, why don't the other players practice their brake more?
Is it the Magic rack? Of course it helps, but it helps both players. Should they use a standard rack? Only if we want to go back in time and use inferior equipment - it would be like having both players shoot with bent cue sticks.
For me, watching Shane play was watching greatness in action - awesome!
Did anyone watch Dennis Orcollo play the final of the Jay Swanson Memorial against Jayson Shaw at Hard Times? There, Dennis also demonstrated greatness in action. One comment about the match, "Unfortunately this match would be decided by the predictability of the break, which in conjunction with the use of the Magic Rack really suited the semi soft break employed by Dennis and soon found him making two or three balls on the break with almost all the balls in play and always on the one ball for his first shot." That is not how I saw it. I was in awe at how perfectly Dennis played and thought that there are very few people in the world that could have done what he did that night.
I am privileged to have witnessed such greatness (from Shane this weekend and from Dennis at the Swanee), and am inspired by their performances.
Is it his break? Of course he has mastered the break, but there is a lot more to 10-ball than the break. And, as Shane has said, why don't the other players practice their brake more?
Is it the Magic rack? Of course it helps, but it helps both players. Should they use a standard rack? Only if we want to go back in time and use inferior equipment - it would be like having both players shoot with bent cue sticks.
For me, watching Shane play was watching greatness in action - awesome!
Did anyone watch Dennis Orcollo play the final of the Jay Swanson Memorial against Jayson Shaw at Hard Times? There, Dennis also demonstrated greatness in action. One comment about the match, "Unfortunately this match would be decided by the predictability of the break, which in conjunction with the use of the Magic Rack really suited the semi soft break employed by Dennis and soon found him making two or three balls on the break with almost all the balls in play and always on the one ball for his first shot." That is not how I saw it. I was in awe at how perfectly Dennis played and thought that there are very few people in the world that could have done what he did that night.
I am privileged to have witnessed such greatness (from Shane this weekend and from Dennis at the Swanee), and am inspired by their performances.
Optimal conditions are always going to produce the better player at that time, but the horse favored to win the Kentucky Derby when the track is dry, is not always the favored to win when the track is muddy. In Tennis the courts are way different between clay vs grass. Earl is a veteran player, and has played on far worse tables than Shane ever has, therefore he brought a lot more know how to play on that 10ft circus table than Shane even knew about, and for that he got the win, and rightfully deserved it so. But, when the circus conditions are thrown out, and they play on a correct playing table, then Shane is for sure the favorite to win. Now that's not saying that in shorter races Earl can't beat Shane for the money, as he's done...and done so on a Diamond 10ft ProAm, but Shane is like a long distance runner, he's not the favorite to win in any 100 yard dash, but the 100 yard dash winner has something else to think about when it comes to running the 26 mile marathon, and that's where Shane shines the best, going the distance, as he's shown over and over again. I think the only way to really beat Shane, is to shorten the distance, play races to shorter set games, as has been shown in the past, but if you add up the games played in them 2 out of 3 races, you'll see that the final scores are pretty close to even, and if they were going to 100....Shane would have still out distanced his opponents in the end.
Glen
Could not watch at this time but I am excited about the video on demand. Hopefully this will be soon. Thanks again for making this happen.
Shane's break is great, but that's still only one aspect of his game. The WIN comes after the break, because he still has to get out for the win, and that's where Shane is such a great player, because he knows he don't get the WIN on the break, he gets it after he makes the 10 ball, so he has to out shoot his opponent between the break...and making the 10 ball for the WIN, but it seems that everyone is just focused on his break, and not seeing his whole game, which is what REALLY gets him the WIN
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