Bonus Ball Schedule: Right or Wrong
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Bonus Ball would NOT exist if they did not schedule it so the great players involved in it were not able to attend and play in the big money events. Think about it. IMO
Bonus Ball would NOT exist if they did not schedule it so the great players involved in it were not able to attend and play in the big money events. Think about it. IMO
Bonus Ball would NOT exist if they did not schedule it so the great players involved in it were not able to attend and play in the big money events. Think about it. IMO
Let me think about it, triple negatives always give me trouble.
My job should def schedule around my life too for sure. End of the day delaying their schedule costs money. Who's gonna pay that cost down? Bonus Ball isn't taking from the players and they don't owe their competition anything. There's no other industry this would even be entertained.
Other events don't like it then they have options. Sell the rights, partner up, or compete. Competition is good I think it's a huge mistake to discourage that. Its hypocritical to even have this debate cause ppl are mad about their friends but their are plenty of regional tours and events that ppl don't stand up for. End of the day ppl would be better served to focus on their business and not tell other businesses how to operate cause no one is gonna pitch in for lost revenue on either end. Bonus Ball does not look cheap and I can't in good conscious tell someone trying to earn money to shut down so someone else can pad their pockets.
Other events don't like it then they have options. Sell the rights, partner up, or compete. Competition is good I think it's a huge mistake to discourage that. Its hypocritical to even have this debate cause ppl are mad about their friends but their are plenty of regional tours and events that ppl don't stand up for. End of the day ppl would be better served to focus on their business and not tell other businesses how to operate cause no one is gonna pitch in for lost revenue on either end. Bonus Ball does not look cheap and I can't in good conscious tell someone trying to earn money to shut down so someone else can pad their pockets.
Well, the players do get to decide which event they want to play. They can let one of the alternatives play in their place. If bonus ball had threatened to fire a player for playing in another event, I could see the problem. The players can play as professionals for the first time in a long time with out gambling, as tournaments are a gamble for the player at placing high in the money to just break even.. I understand the players side for bonus ball, as they see a sure payday.. I personally hope all the pool promoters are successful..
What changed my mind is seeing how Bonus Ball accommodated one tournament, the Ultimate 10-Ball Championship, and did not accomodate Southern Classic, which was played in the exact same location the very next day. To me, this is wrong. I had not realized the Canadian enterprise scheduled right through Greg's event, and not the other, until recently.
Who do you think helped Ultimate promoter secure that location, number one? Number two, the Ultimate promoter is the darling of blue-blooded pool industry folks because of his previous two events. If Bonus Ball scheduled over him, they would have had hell to pay for it, and they knew it. So Greg helps this guy out and ends up getting screwed. Where's those blue-blooded pool industry folks sticking up for Greg? Greg's not a part of the WPA elite club, so they're not looking out for American Greg Sullivan.
Bonus Ball has changed their schedules so many times. Their start date was changed over and over again within a 6-month period.
Southern Classic was scheduled long ago, before Bonus Ball came to America. If this was Season Two, I could understand the philosophy of all is fair in love and business, but this Canadian outfit comes to America and is destroying our pool world and not even giving a damn about it. This flippant attitude and disregard for valued American promoters pisses me off. You don't step on American soil and proceed to screw valued American promoters on my watch without repercussions. Industry members when it comes to scheduling need to work together.
Barry Hearn, if you read this ever, please note what this Canadian company is doing to American pool when you make your Mosconi Cup selections. I hope none of those BB members are considered to be a member of Team USA. They're traitors as far as I'm concerned. Note that this Bonus Ball is a Canadian company and should *not* be worthy of consideration for Team USA consisting of American players. Bonus Ball is hurting American pool.
The American pool industry is fractured, as it is. More and more pool rooms are closing their doors, as are opportunities to compete for professional-caliber players. The existing lot of American pros is dwindling. We need a boost, not some Canadian company coming to the States and stabbing us in our very soul like this. If Greg Sullivan ceases his Derby City Classic and his Southern Classic, it removes more opportunities for prospective pro players in the United States.
I am pro American pool, always have been and always will be. This Canadian operation has come on American soil, in Vegas no less, and then proceeded to attempt the ruin of valued American promoters because of their lack of experience and expertise in the pool industry as a whole.
Anybody in their right mind would have realized that Vegas is the WORST place to have their venue when there are so many other attractions in that town. Look, I love pool, but if I was in Vegas, I wouldn't be going to the BB venue to watch players shoot purple and orange balls. Gimme a break!
Of course, Johnny Archer and the rest of the players signed up for Bonus Ball are going for promises made by BB. I get that. We did the same thing with the IPT. The difference, however, is the IPT was a first-class operation with a HUGE staff of competent and experienced people. BB's staff is two players and two camera men from Canada and Larry. Like the IPT, Larry is getting bad advice, poor fellow, just like Kevin Trudeau did.
It is offensive to have a Canadian firm come to America and disrupt the very fabric of American pool. We have a fractured pool industry. This isn't Ford Motor Company and Toyota, so the competition theory goes out the window. Most professional sports do not schedule around other events within their own sport. Why? Because they have a competent staff making the decisions working with other professionals. American pool cannot afford this kind of injury, and I am not going to sit by and watch it happen without expressing my thoughts.
At the end of the day, when Bonus Ball ceases to have enough funds to continue, and it will, I assure you, the two Canadian cameramen will go back home with new equipment and a nice Vegas experience, Johnny Archer will return home to his beautiful house on the golf course and lovely family. Larry will go back to his former life in Canada. And permanent damage will have been inflicted on the American pool scene, an already fractured industry. Johnny, are things that desparate for you out there to do this to Greg Sullivan, a man who has supported you and other players like you your entire career? Where is your loyalty to American promoters who have given you and your family freebies?
I will not support Bonus Ball unless they change that damn schedule, and if they don't, I will go to my grave expressing how I feel about this Canadian company on my American soil.
Change the schedule, Bonus Ball. That's all you have to do. Change it or suffer the consequences.
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What changed my mind is seeing how Bonus Ball accommodated one tournament, the Ultimate 10-Ball Championship, and did not accomodate Southern Classic, which was played in the exact same location the very next day. To me, this is wrong. I had not realized the Canadian enterprise scheduled right through Greg's event, and not the other, until recently.
Who do you think helped Ultimate promoter secure that location, number one? Number two, the Ultimate promoter is the darling of blue-blooded pool industry folks because of his previous two events. If Bonus Ball scheduled over him, they would have had hell to pay for it, and they knew it. So Greg helps this guy out and ends up getting screwed. Where's those blue-blooded pool industry folks sticking up for Greg? Greg's not a part of the WPA elite club, so they're not looking out for American Greg Sullivan.
Bonus Ball has changed their schedules so many times. Their start date was changed over and over again within a 6-month period.
Southern Classic was scheduled long ago, before Bonus Ball came to America. If this was Season Two, I could understand the philosophy of all is fair in love and business, but thws Canadian outfit comes to America and is destroying our pool world and not even giving a damn about it. This flippant attitude and disregard for valued American promoters pisses me off. You don't step on American soil and proceed to screw valued American promoters on my watch without repercussions. Industry members when it comes to scheduling need to work together.
Barry Hearn, if you read this ever, please note what this Canadian company is doing to American pool when you make your Mosconi Cup selections. I hope none of those BB members are considered to be a member of Team USA. They're traitors as far as I'm concerned. Note that this Bonus Ball is a Canadian company and should *not* be worthy of consideration for Team USA consisting of American players. Bonus Ball is hurting American pool.
The American pool industry is fractured, as it is. More and more pool rooms are closing their doors, as are opportunities to complete for professional-caliber players. The existing lot of American pros is dwindling. We need a boost, not some Canadian company coming to the States and stabbing us in our very soul like this. If Greg Sullivan ceases his Derby City Classic and his Southern Classic, it removes more opportunities for prospective pro players in the United States.
I am pro American pool, always have been and always will be. This Canadian operation has come on American soil, in Vegas no less, and then proceeded to attempt the ruin of valued American promoters because of their lack of experience and expertise in the pool industry as a whole.
Anybody in their right mind would have realized that Vegas is the WORST place to have their venue when there are so many other attractions in that town. Look, I love pool, but if I was in Vegas, I wouldn't be going to the BB venue to watch players shoot purple and orange balls. Gimme a break!
Of course, Johnny Archer and the rest of the players signed up for Bonus Ball are going for promises made by BB. I get that. We did the same thing with the IPT. The difference, however, is the IPT was a first-class operation with a HUGE staff of competent and experienced people. BB's staff is two players and two camera men from Canada and Larry. Like the IPT, Larry is getting bad advice, poor fellow, just like Kevin Trudeau did.
It is offensive to have a Canadian firm come to America and disrupt the very fabric of American pool. We have a fractured pool industry. This isn't Ford Motor Company and Toyota, so the competition theory goes out the window. Most professional sports do not schedule around other events within their own sport. Why? Because they have a competent staff making the decisions working with other professionals. American pool cannot afford this kind of injury, and I am not going to sit by and watch it happen without expressing my thoughts.
At the end of the day, when Bonus Ball ceases to have enough funds to continue, and it will, I assure you, the two Canadian cameramen will go back home with new equipment and a nice Vegas experience, Johnny Archer will return home to his beautiful house on the golf course and lovely family. Larry will go back to his former life in Canada. And permanent damage will have been inflicted on the American pool scene, an already fractured industry. Johnny Archer does not have the players' best interests in mind. I knew something was wrong when he signed up with Charlie Williams' Dragon outfit. What a shocker! Johnny, are things that desparate for you out there to do this to Greg Sullivan, a man who has supported you and other players like you your entire career? Where is your loyalty to American promoters who have given you and your family freebies?
I will not support Bonus Ball unless they change that damn schedule, and if they don't, I will go to my grave expressing how I feel about this Canadian company on my American soil.
Change the schedule, Bonus Ball. That's all you have to do. Change it or suffer the consequences.
lol, is this supposed to be a joke?
If you're even half serious here then you're crazier than Earl.
I've been called worse.
What changed my mind is seeing how Bonus Ball accommodated one tournament, the Ultimate 10-Ball Championship, and did not accomodate Southern Classic, which was played in the exact same location the very next day. To me, this is wrong. I had not realized the Canadian enterprise scheduled right through Greg's event, and not the other, until recently.
Who do you think helped Ultimate promoter secure that location, number one? Number two, the Ultimate promoter is the darling of blue-blooded pool industry folks because of his previous two events. If Bonus Ball scheduled over him, they would have had hell to pay for it, and they knew it. So Greg helps this guy out and ends up getting screwed. Where's those blue-blooded pool industry folks sticking up for Greg? Greg's not a part of the WPA elite club, so they're not looking out for American Greg Sullivan.
Bonus Ball has changed their schedules so many times. Their start date was changed over and over again within a 6-month period.
Southern Classic was scheduled long ago, before Bonus Ball came to America. If this was Season Two, I could understand the philosophy of all is fair in love and business, but this Canadian outfit comes to America and is destroying our pool world and not even giving a damn about it. This flippant attitude and disregard for valued American promoters pisses me off. You don't step on American soil and proceed to screw valued American promoters on my watch without repercussions. Industry members when it comes to scheduling need to work together.
Barry Hearn, if you read this ever, please note what this Canadian company is doing to American pool when you make your Mosconi Cup selections. I hope none of those BB members are considered to be a member of Team USA. They're traitors as far as I'm concerned. Note that this Bonus Ball is a Canadian company and should *not* be worthy of consideration for Team USA consisting of American players. Bonus Ball is hurting American pool.
The American pool industry is fractured, as it is. More and more pool rooms are closing their doors, as are opportunities to compete for professional-caliber players. The existing lot of American pros is dwindling. We need a boost, not some Canadian company coming to the States and stabbing us in our very soul like this. If Greg Sullivan ceases his Derby City Classic and his Southern Classic, it removes more opportunities for prospective pro players in the United States.
I am pro American pool, always have been and always will be. This Canadian operation has come on American soil, in Vegas no less, and then proceeded to attempt the ruin of valued American promoters because of their lack of experience and expertise in the pool industry as a whole.
Anybody in their right mind would have realized that Vegas is the WORST place to have their venue when there are so many other attractions in that town. Look, I love pool, but if I was in Vegas, I wouldn't be going to the BB venue to watch players shoot purple and orange balls. Gimme a break!
Of course, Johnny Archer and the rest of the players signed up for Bonus Ball are going for promises made by BB. I get that. We did the same thing with the IPT. The difference, however, is the IPT was a first-class operation with a HUGE staff of competent and experienced people. BB's staff is two players and two camera men from Canada and Larry. Like the IPT, Larry is getting bad advice, poor fellow, just like Kevin Trudeau did.
It is offensive to have a Canadian firm come to America and disrupt the very fabric of American pool. We have a fractured pool industry. This isn't Ford Motor Company and Toyota, so the competition theory goes out the window. Most professional sports do not schedule around other events within their own sport. Why? Because they have a competent staff making the decisions working with other professionals. American pool cannot afford this kind of injury, and I am not going to sit by and watch it happen without expressing my thoughts.
At the end of the day, when Bonus Ball ceases to have enough funds to continue, and it will, I assure you, the two Canadian cameramen will go back home with new equipment and a nice Vegas experience, Johnny Archer will return home to his beautiful house on the golf course and lovely family. Larry will go back to his former life in Canada. And permanent damage will have been inflicted on the American pool scene, an already fractured industry. Johnny, are things that desparate for you out there to do this to Greg Sullivan, a man who has supported you and other players like you your entire career? Where is your loyalty to American promoters who have given you and your family freebies?
I will not support Bonus Ball unless they change that damn schedule, and if they don't, I will go to my grave expressing how I feel about this Canadian company on my American soil.
Change the schedule, Bonus Ball. That's all you have to do. Change it or suffer the consequences.
Look at the dates of the Ultimate Ten Ball....that's a very minimal schedule adjustment at best. Also it was very costly to delay the start date in the first place. ..they learned that lesson and cleaned house because of that from the beginning. It's more about being butt hurt that they won't adjust. Why not ask Greg to change his dates afterall his event is costing guaranteed dough. A bonus ball match pays out roughly $8k per match and they have like 10 matches per week so you do the math....they're doing weekly what Greg does annually. ...why do they have to yield?
Ask Greg to change his already-existing dates with the casino? Uh, take a course in Logistics 101 and get back to me. Your "remedy" is so bizarre that is doesn't even warrant a dignified reply. Greg's event starts in 10 days Are you actually serious? If you are, then God bless you. You'll need when you grow up and live in the real business world.
What changed my mind is seeing how Bonus Ball accommodated one tournament, the Ultimate 10-Ball Championship, and did not accomodate Southern Classic, which was played in the exact same location the very next day. To me, this is wrong. I had not realized the Canadian enterprise scheduled right through Greg's event, and not the other, until recently.
Who do you think helped Ultimate promoter secure that location, number one? Number two, the Ultimate promoter is the darling of blue-blooded pool industry folks because of his previous two events. If Bonus Ball scheduled over him, they would have had hell to pay for it, and they knew it. So Greg helps this guy out and ends up getting screwed. Where's those blue-blooded pool industry folks sticking up for Greg? Greg's not a part of the WPA elite club, so they're not looking out for American Greg Sullivan.
Bonus Ball has changed their schedules so many times. Their start date was changed over and over again within a 6-month period.
Southern Classic was scheduled long ago, before Bonus Ball came to America. If this was Season Two, I could understand the philosophy of all is fair in love and business, but this Canadian outfit comes to America and is destroying our pool world and not even giving a damn about it. This flippant attitude and disregard for valued American promoters pisses me off. You don't step on American soil and proceed to screw valued American promoters on my watch without repercussions. Industry members when it comes to scheduling need to work together.
Barry Hearn, if you read this ever, please note what this Canadian company is doing to American pool when you make your Mosconi Cup selections. I hope none of those BB members are considered to be a member of Team USA. They're traitors as far as I'm concerned. Note that this Bonus Ball is a Canadian company and should *not* be worthy of consideration for Team USA consisting of American players. Bonus Ball is hurting American pool.
The American pool industry is fractured, as it is. More and more pool rooms are closing their doors, as are opportunities to compete for professional-caliber players. The existing lot of American pros is dwindling. We need a boost, not some Canadian company coming to the States and stabbing us in our very soul like this. If Greg Sullivan ceases his Derby City Classic and his Southern Classic, it removes more opportunities for prospective pro players in the United States.
I am pro American pool, always have been and always will be. This Canadian operation has come on American soil, in Vegas no less, and then proceeded to attempt the ruin of valued American promoters because of their lack of experience and expertise in the pool industry as a whole.
Anybody in their right mind would have realized that Vegas is the WORST place to have their venue when there are so many other attractions in that town. Look, I love pool, but if I was in Vegas, I wouldn't be going to the BB venue to watch players shoot purple and orange balls. Gimme a break!
Of course, Johnny Archer and the rest of the players signed up for Bonus Ball are going for promises made by BB. I get that. We did the same thing with the IPT. The difference, however, is the IPT was a first-class operation with a HUGE staff of competent and experienced people. BB's staff is two players and two camera men from Canada and Larry. Like the IPT, Larry is getting bad advice, poor fellow, just like Kevin Trudeau did.
It is offensive to have a Canadian firm come to America and disrupt the very fabric of American pool. We have a fractured pool industry. This isn't Ford Motor Company and Toyota, so the competition theory goes out the window. Most professional sports do not schedule around other events within their own sport. Why? Because they have a competent staff making the decisions working with other professionals. American pool cannot afford this kind of injury, and I am not going to sit by and watch it happen without expressing my thoughts.
At the end of the day, when Bonus Ball ceases to have enough funds to continue, and it will, I assure you, the two Canadian cameramen will go back home with new equipment and a nice Vegas experience, Johnny Archer will return home to his beautiful house on the golf course and lovely family. Larry will go back to his former life in Canada. And permanent damage will have been inflicted on the American pool scene, an already fractured industry. Johnny, are things that desparate for you out there to do this to Greg Sullivan, a man who has supported you and other players like you your entire career? Where is your loyalty to American promoters who have given you and your family freebies?
I will not support Bonus Ball unless they change that damn schedule, and if they don't, I will go to my grave expressing how I feel about this Canadian company on my American soil.
Change the schedule, Bonus Ball. That's all you have to do. Change it or suffer the consequences.
This could be the stupidest post I've ever read. Is that time of the month over yet?
Dave,
I like your responses that seem to be very well explained. I find the item in blue to have gaps in understanding. You state all players are allowed to play in any events they wish. Can you peel back the onion one layer and let us know if there are penalties other than a forfeit if a team doesn't make the schedule? I find it hard to believe that Daz, Stevie, and Jayson of Philadelphia would not want to attend the Southern since they were there for the 10 ball anyway. In another post, you stated Stevie was coming back to Vegas for BB to play with the 2 alternates.
Just seems hard to believe he would elect to miss the Southern on his own. Could happen, just seems hard to believe.
And you state the players all have free reign. What would happen if you did have schedule issues because players all attended another event? Double headers on other weekends? A shortened schedule? Or a lengthened schedule?
This is the most male chauvinistic post I've read on this forum.
FWIW, I'm 60 years old. You figure it out. Stupid is a stupid does.
Anybody with the forum name of "BeiberLvr," well, I have to realize who I'm responding to and choose my words carefully.
Startup businesses in a normal business environment where competition is an acceptable norm is *not* -- I repeat NOT -- what is the reality of the American fractured pool industry.
We Americans don't care for Canadians who intentionally, with malice aforethought, hurt our long-existing valued American promoters.
I am very loyal when it comes to friendships. I cannot believe what is happening to Greg Sullivan right now. It's absolutely horrendous. As far as I'm concerned, if the schedule doesn't change, it will forever tarnish Bonus Ball in my eyes and quite a few others, as evidenced by this poll.
Give Justin my regards. :grin-square:
I have this vision.
I can see Jam at the stove right now stirring a pot to make a potion and repeating this line from the Wizard of Oz. " I'll get you my pretty and you're little dog too".
Be afraid, very afraid.
Don :grin:
What changed my mind is seeing how Bonus Ball accommodated one tournament, the Ultimate 10-Ball Championship, and did not accomodate Southern Classic, which was played in the exact same location the very next day. To me, this is wrong. I had not realized the Canadian enterprise scheduled right through Greg's event, and not the other, until recently.
Who do you think helped Ultimate promoter secure that location, number one? Number two, the Ultimate promoter is the darling of blue-blooded pool industry folks because of his previous two events. If Bonus Ball scheduled over him, they would have had hell to pay for it, and they knew it. So Greg helps this guy out and ends up getting screwed. Where's those blue-blooded pool industry folks sticking up for Greg? Greg's not a part of the WPA elite club, so they're not looking out for American Greg Sullivan.
Bonus Ball has changed their schedules so many times. Their start date was changed over and over again within a 6-month period.
Southern Classic was scheduled long ago, before Bonus Ball came to America. If this was Season Two, I could understand the philosophy of all is fair in love and business, but this Canadian outfit comes to America and is destroying our pool world and not even giving a damn about it. This flippant attitude and disregard for valued American promoters pisses me off. You don't step on American soil and proceed to screw valued American promoters on my watch without repercussions. Industry members when it comes to scheduling need to work together.
Barry Hearn, if you read this ever, please note what this Canadian company is doing to American pool when you make your Mosconi Cup selections. I hope none of those BB members are considered to be a member of Team USA. They're traitors as far as I'm concerned. Note that this Bonus Ball is a Canadian company and should *not* be worthy of consideration for Team USA consisting of American players. Bonus Ball is hurting American pool.
The American pool industry is fractured, as it is. More and more pool rooms are closing their doors, as are opportunities to compete for professional-caliber players. The existing lot of American pros is dwindling. We need a boost, not some Canadian company coming to the States and stabbing us in our very soul like this. If Greg Sullivan ceases his Derby City Classic and his Southern Classic, it removes more opportunities for prospective pro players in the United States.
I am pro American pool, always have been and always will be. This Canadian operation has come on American soil, in Vegas no less, and then proceeded to attempt the ruin of valued American promoters because of their lack of experience and expertise in the pool industry as a whole.
Anybody in their right mind would have realized that Vegas is the WORST place to have their venue when there are so many other attractions in that town. Look, I love pool, but if I was in Vegas, I wouldn't be going to the BB venue to watch players shoot purple and orange balls. Gimme a break!
Of course, Johnny Archer and the rest of the players signed up for Bonus Ball are going for promises made by BB. I get that. We did the same thing with the IPT. The difference, however, is the IPT was a first-class operation with a HUGE staff of competent and experienced people. BB's staff is two players and two camera men from Canada and Larry. Like the IPT, Larry is getting bad advice, poor fellow, just like Kevin Trudeau did.
It is offensive to have a Canadian firm come to America and disrupt the very fabric of American pool. We have a fractured pool industry. This isn't Ford Motor Company and Toyota, so the competition theory goes out the window. Most professional sports do not schedule around other events within their own sport. Why? Because they have a competent staff making the decisions working with other professionals. American pool cannot afford this kind of injury, and I am not going to sit by and watch it happen without expressing my thoughts.
At the end of the day, when Bonus Ball ceases to have enough funds to continue, and it will, I assure you, the two Canadian cameramen will go back home with new equipment and a nice Vegas experience, Johnny Archer will return home to his beautiful house on the golf course and lovely family. Larry will go back to his former life in Canada. And permanent damage will have been inflicted on the American pool scene, an already fractured industry. Johnny, are things that desparate for you out there to do this to Greg Sullivan, a man who has supported you and other players like you your entire career? Where is your loyalty to American promoters who have given you and your family freebies?
I will not support Bonus Ball unless they change that damn schedule, and if they don't, I will go to my grave expressing how I feel about this Canadian company on my American soil.
Change the schedule, Bonus Ball. That's all you have to do. Change it or suffer the consequences.
I can see Jam at the stove right now stirring a pot to make a potion and repeating this line from the Wizard of Oz. " I'll get you my pretty and you're little dog too".
Be afraid, very afraid.
Don :grin:
That's a bold statement [no pun intended
]. Any facts to back up that claim, or is that merely your opinion?Here's a few facts
1. The fields at the SC will still be very strong. It won't be a barren wasteland of no-names.
2. If a BB player chooses not to attend, that's their AMERICAN right. The same goes if they choose to attend the SC and forfeit guaranteed paycheck.
3. Both fan attendance and stream viewers will be higher for the SC.
You see, Jam. When you look at the actual facts, the only loser in all of this, is Bonus Ball.
-Jon
Let me provide a little food for thought here and illustrate how Bonus Ball is harming a valued American promoter: Greg Sullivan.
On a verbal agreement, which is legally binding, BTW, in some jurisdictions, Greg Sullivan shipped 10 Diamond tables to Bonus Ball in Las Vegas at their request. Greg followed through, wanting to help a fellow industry member.
With no rhyme or reason, Bonus Ball decides to go with an Asian pool table company and does not even give Greg Sullivan the decency of a reply, Thanks, but no thanks," et cetera. If this is how Bonus Ball does business, I think the American pro players should be on notice that they can be dropped with no warning, just like the Bonus Ball did to Greg Sullivan.
Bonus Ball knew damn well when Greg's Southern Classic event was, yet they decided to schedule on top of it. Here's a man, Greg Sullivan, who tried to help them out of the kindness of his heart, and they crap on him like this.
Now, if you all want to support an outfit like this, let me just say the higher they go, the harder they will fall. In the end, it will be the American pro players who will get the worst of it.
On a verbal agreement, which is legally binding, BTW, in some jurisdictions, Greg Sullivan shipped 10 Diamond tables to Bonus Ball in Las Vegas at their request. Greg followed through, wanting to help a fellow industry member.
With no rhyme or reason, Bonus Ball decides to go with an Asian pool table company and does not even give Greg Sullivan the decency of a reply, Thanks, but no thanks," et cetera. If this is how Bonus Ball does business, I think the American pro players should be on notice that they can be dropped with no warning, just like the Bonus Ball did to Greg Sullivan.
Bonus Ball knew damn well when Greg's Southern Classic event was, yet they decided to schedule on top of it. Here's a man, Greg Sullivan, who tried to help them out of the kindness of his heart, and they crap on him like this.
Now, if you all want to support an outfit like this, let me just say the higher they go, the harder they will fall. In the end, it will be the American pro players who will get the worst of it.
I don't understand .
It doesn't matter to me after seeing pool go backwards for years, If a group from Mars would come to planet earth and try something new that may help American pool. It would be good if all of the current promoters and BB could work together in the future.
I am not going to become a hater because a group from Canada or anywhere else comes on the scene with the dream and goal to help Pro Pool become mainstream. I know all of the people involved except the BB group.
I do not wish anything bad on Mark or Greg and never will, I have supported their events for years and will continue to. If these groups in the future could sit down and put their heads together, With all of their knowledge and ideas, the sky is the limit. I don't like the fact that BBs scheduling has conflicted with Tunica. That may or may not could have been avoided. That is beyond the control of any of the forum readers.
So i do enjoy BB and i will continue to wish them luck, And i would also like to wish luck to Greg and Mark with their events. I will not come on here and root agains't a new group trying to promote Pro Pool, And anyone who does, you have chosen sides, And i guess that is your choice. I think if Larry, Greg, and Mark could sit down and talk about the future of pool. Even greater ideas are possible.
Good Luck to all, Gary Lutman
What changed my mind is seeing how Bonus Ball accommodated one tournament, the Ultimate 10-Ball Championship, and did not accomodate Southern Classic, which was played in the exact same location the very next day. To me, this is wrong. I had not realized the Canadian enterprise scheduled right through Greg's event, and not the other, until recently.
Who do you think helped Ultimate promoter secure that location, number one? Number two, the Ultimate promoter is the darling of blue-blooded pool industry folks because of his previous two events. If Bonus Ball scheduled over him, they would have had hell to pay for it, and they knew it. So Greg helps this guy out and ends up getting screwed. Where's those blue-blooded pool industry folks sticking up for Greg? Greg's not a part of the WPA elite club, so they're not looking out for American Greg Sullivan.
Bonus Ball has changed their schedules so many times. Their start date was changed over and over again within a 6-month period.
Southern Classic was scheduled long ago, before Bonus Ball came to America. If this was Season Two, I could understand the philosophy of all is fair in love and business, but this Canadian outfit comes to America and is destroying our pool world and not even giving a damn about it. This flippant attitude and disregard for valued American promoters pisses me off. You don't step on American soil and proceed to screw valued American promoters on my watch without repercussions. Industry members when it comes to scheduling need to work together.
Barry Hearn, if you read this ever, please note what this Canadian company is doing to American pool when you make your Mosconi Cup selections. I hope none of those BB members are considered to be a member of Team USA. They're traitors as far as I'm concerned. Note that this Bonus Ball is a Canadian company and should *not* be worthy of consideration for Team USA consisting of American players. Bonus Ball is hurting American pool.
The American pool industry is fractured, as it is. More and more pool rooms are closing their doors, as are opportunities to compete for professional-caliber players. The existing lot of American pros is dwindling. We need a boost, not some Canadian company coming to the States and stabbing us in our very soul like this. If Greg Sullivan ceases his Derby City Classic and his Southern Classic, it removes more opportunities for prospective pro players in the United States.
I am pro American pool, always have been and always will be. This Canadian operation has come on American soil, in Vegas no less, and then proceeded to attempt the ruin of valued American promoters because of their lack of experience and expertise in the pool industry as a whole.
Anybody in their right mind would have realized that Vegas is the WORST place to have their venue when there are so many other attractions in that town. Look, I love pool, but if I was in Vegas, I wouldn't be going to the BB venue to watch players shoot purple and orange balls. Gimme a break!
Of course, Johnny Archer and the rest of the players signed up for Bonus Ball are going for promises made by BB. I get that. We did the same thing with the IPT. The difference, however, is the IPT was a first-class operation with a HUGE staff of competent and experienced people. BB's staff is two players and two camera men from Canada and Larry. Like the IPT, Larry is getting bad advice, poor fellow, just like Kevin Trudeau did.
It is offensive to have a Canadian firm come to America and disrupt the very fabric of American pool. We have a fractured pool industry. This isn't Ford Motor Company and Toyota, so the competition theory goes out the window. Most professional sports do not schedule around other events within their own sport. Why? Because they have a competent staff making the decisions working with other professionals. American pool cannot afford this kind of injury, and I am not going to sit by and watch it happen without expressing my thoughts.
At the end of the day, when Bonus Ball ceases to have enough funds to continue, and it will, I assure you, the two Canadian cameramen will go back home with new equipment and a nice Vegas experience, Johnny Archer will return home to his beautiful house on the golf course and lovely family. Larry will go back to his former life in Canada. And permanent damage will have been inflicted on the American pool scene, an already fractured industry. Johnny, are things that desparate for you out there to do this to Greg Sullivan, a man who has supported you and other players like you your entire career? Where is your loyalty to American promoters who have given you and your family freebies?
I will not support Bonus Ball unless they change that damn schedule, and if they don't, I will go to my grave expressing how I feel about this Canadian company on my American soil.
Change the schedule, Bonus Ball. That's all you have to do. Change it or suffer the consequences.
It doesn't matter to me after seeing pool go backwards for years, If a group from Mars would come to planet earth and try something new that may help American pool. It would be good if all of the current promoters and BB could work together in the future.
I am not going to become a hater because a group from Canada or anywhere else comes on the scene with the dream and goal to help Pro Pool become mainstream. I know all of the people involved except the BB group.
I do not wish anything bad on Mark or Greg and never will, I have supported their events for years and will continue to. If these groups in the future could sit down and put their heads together, With all of their knowledge and ideas, the sky is the limit. I don't like the fact that BBs scheduling has conflicted with Tunica. That may or may not could have been avoided. That is beyond the control of any of the forum readers.
So i do enjoy BB and i will continue to wish them luck, And i would also like to wish luck to Greg and Mark with their events. I will not come on here and root agains't a new group trying to promote Pro Pool, And anyone who does, you have chosen sides, And i guess that is your choice. I think if Larry, Greg, and Mark could sit down and talk about the future of pool. Even greater ideas are possible.
Good Luck to all, Gary Lutman
That is a well-written post expressing your thoughts, Mr. Lutman. I kind of chuckled when you said "a group from Mars would come to Planet Earth," visualizing the purple and orange balls of this Bonus Ball pocket billiards game. As if pocket billiards doesn't have enough games to contend with.
Bonus Ball has already disrupted the pool industry with its scheduling. They could have accommodated already-existing events this season, and then next season, everybody could have worked around each other, including the American promoters. But Bonus Ball wants to cripple American promoters, thereby hurting American pool. That's how I see it.
Thanks for your post, though. I did enjoy the read! It was a heart-felt post. I liked it.