JB stoops to new lows
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I did not know that the thread was deleted. It's still there but closed from view.
Well if anyone cares to send me a message OFF the forum then I will be happy to provide a link to the full conversation so that anyone can see what was said and in what context.
I knew you would come back, because nothing in China can be bad, And actually, it was my experience in the US market. Worked for a commercial insurance carrier that wrote liability policies for 50% of the Chinese restaurants in the US.... yep, this was a niche they developed and marketed the heck out of it... And I was stuck seeing the inside the kitchens of the mom and pop Chinese restaurants..... disgusting. I could not even believe the places were not closed down. We got so many food poisoning claims it was ridiculous.... usually those turn out to be "fraud" but in this case they just cut the checks.....
I stopped eating Chinese food for 10 years because of this. 10 Years. My only recent trip was to a PF Changs a few years back, and only because it was a national chain with a great reputation that I dared set foot back in...
And of course , like the internet guy you are, you had to call the guy a pansy because he hated your food.... something that you would never have the courage to say to his face,,, EVER....
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Lots of things are bad in China. However you make it sound like all the food is terrible and poisonous based on your claims about your boss' experience in China.
I feel bad for him if your account is true and feel worse for you who forms his opinion based on that.
Dr,
Think the reasoning is as follows. If you buy an American branded vehicle manufactured in Mexico, the money still winds up in Detroit's coffers. When you buy a Toyota or Mercedes made in America, in the end the money goes to Germany or Japan. What happens when your vehicle is imported from Detroit
?Lyn
Dr,
Think the reasoning is as follows. If you buy an American branded vehicle manufactured in Mexico, the money still winds up in Detroit's coffers. When you buy a Toyota or Mercedes made in America, in the end the money goes to Germany or Japan. What happens when your vehicle is imported from Detroit
Lyn
The money is global now. It goes everywhere and never stops moving. Anyone who follows the money paid for a a product will see that it circles the globe many times.
Dr,
Think the reasoning is as follows. If you buy an American branded vehicle manufactured in Mexico, the money still winds up in Detroit's coffers. When you buy a Toyota or Mercedes made in America, in the end the money goes to Germany or Japan. What happens when your vehicle is imported from Detroit
Lyn
Actually, to be fair. When Toyota makes and sells cars in the US, lots of the money stays here. All the folks that work at the various Toyota plants in the country, like CA, TX and KY, buy their homes, pay for food, buy clothes, eat out, send their kids to college, go on vacation, etc. and may even spend money at a pool room. Not to mention the tax dollars the plants generate, or the local businesses that are staying afloat, not to mention all the folks that sell parts and equipment to the factory....
I don't care where the profits wind up.... It's not like GM, Ford or Toyota is gonna share that with me, nor should they.....
Dr,
Think the reasoning is as follows. If you buy an American branded vehicle manufactured in Mexico, the money still winds up in Detroit's coffers. When you buy a Toyota or Mercedes made in America, in the end the money goes to Germany or Japan. What happens when your vehicle is imported from Detroit
Lyn
If you buy a Toyota or BMW some of theory went to the hard working Americans. In my book supporting American jobs is a good thing, regardless of where the company is headquartered.
Damn No worries.Send me a pm if anyone wants to se the conversation without being edited.I will even give anyone my private phone number to tell you and discuss the conversation or anything about pool from a real pool players view and not a case designer that has been around a long time but has no skills except talking when it comes to playing pool.
I will say this again for all that missed my reply to all this.I never called Jbs wife a $3 whore never,ever ,ever. I don't deny saying anything but never,ever ever said any words like wife,girlfriend,Ms.barton,Mrs.barton,Karen,Karen Barton and so on never ,ever,ever.
John Is clearly trying to build a case against me to turn people on the forum against me and if he truly believed it then he has 2 options. Get over it or beat my ass plain and simple.
This conversation that happened was in a private set of messages not public that Barton stalked me on facebook and when he found me on facebook he went Psycho sending me repeated messages for no reason and I stooped to his level and had words back with him but never directly called his wife a $3 whore ever.
What I said could still be considered a degrading comment to some women and for that I am sorry to anyone I offended that I made any comment and my daughter even said I was wrong.
It is time to move past it and for Barton to stop using it as bait for a reaction from me and others.
Oh I almost forgot an important comment that I didn't respond to yet.I am not a dealer of Jack Justis cases I am a collector and on his staff of professional players that use his cases.Jack Justis does not have a dealer network.Jack Justis does not have a production line to make cases in mass volume to wholesale them as he makes his cases 1 case at a time and has never given a date to handmake a case and not kept his word and assembles everything himself except for the interiors but they are made exactly how he wants them to protect many of the worlds greatest players,cuemakers and collectors cues worldwide.
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Please refer to this thread to see the progress of the Justis Case Replica Project. I dogged it on video #4 and have to reshoot it because it's 3gigs and upside down. So instead I made a video addressing some of the points brought up in this thread with some case history.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=323566
Video #4 History/Copying/Animosty will be up sometime tonight I hope.
Video #5 will resume with measuring and cutting. We should go much faster after measuring the body and back piece.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=323566
Video #4 History/Copying/Animosty will be up sometime tonight I hope.
Video #5 will resume with measuring and cutting. We should go much faster after measuring the body and back piece.
Pathetic Shark
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The main point to consider is Toyota and BMW can actually build cars. Quality of product is all.
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I would call it an Instroke Butterfly evolution. When I first designed the Instroke butterfly I was using AVP as a guide. I was the first to put pockets on the outside of the butterfly style pool cue case - not a major thing - and then Porper liked it with pockets and made his that way and then we started to see many more butterflies with pockets on the outside.
For this one I designed a whole new style of interior. Which I think works better than any I have previously done.
Let me ask you which is more American, a Whitten case made in the USA by Americans or a JB case made in China by low wage Chinese workers? Junk Brand cases should be a LOT cheaper than they are given the cost of Chinese leather and Chinese labor.
Although I am a fortunate professional whose job will never go to China or any foreign sweat shop, I will continue to support American workers, millions of whom have been displaced by Chinese workers by corporate America seeking the lowest possible wage.
You're avoiding my question. Regarding supporting American workers who work for foreign based companies ( though public companies traded on various stock exchanges and thus owned by many people from all over the world)
I have been fortunate to have a Whitten Case, a Justis Case and a JB Case made for me. I like them all. My personal and limited experience with Whitten cases has shown them to not be as durable as the Justis and JB cases I own. However they are well constructed cases with a following just like Justis and JB cases.
All three are master case makers. JB is an American who chooses to work and live in a different country. When I had Jack make me a case, I supported Jack (an American), when I chose to have JB make me a case, I supported JB (who is also an American) and his company. I don't see anyone complaining about folks buying Predators or Kamui chalk or tips, are they made by Americans or in a foreign factory? If it matters to you, you should feel free to spend your money where you want to and support the businesses you choose. There's not too much that is 100% sourced and made in America anymore. Buy what you like and let others do the same. It's their money they earned it and quite frankly it's no one's business how they spend it.
Put it this way. When buying a JB Case, you're supporting 1 American AND 10-15 Chinese... Put another way, you're supporting 10-15 human beings and their families. If John moved his shop in North America, je would be forced to raise his prices or lower the quality, potentially selling less cases, employing less people (lower product velocity) and therefore supporting less families. Now if you prefer supporting 3 American families versus 15 families from another country, this is a personal value thing...
If John is able to make a living AND able to help a bunch of people put food on the table AND on top of that provide a product that's lower in price for the similar quality, I would not be shy to call it a win/win situation.
As for the junk brand comment, this hints me that you may have never held a JB Case in your hands... JB Case may not be to everyone's case but they are far from being junk products.
One last thing about work going to China... Take a few minutes to read this. You may realize that things aren't as clear cut with regards to buying American/Chinese...
Buying From China Is in Fact Buying American
P.S. I don't agree 100% with all the points stated in the linked article but it sure shows that things are not black or black
2nd P.S. I'm pretty sure John doesn't pay his staff sweat shop hourly rates. The rates may seem low to us North Americans but I'm sure the staff on his pay roll make a decent living.
Cheers
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junk brand lol My friend has a jb tribute and I've put it next to my justis case and there every bit as good. the quality is equal in both. I just liked the interior better in the jb so I swapped it out. Honestly if jb would have been a the expo this year I'm not sure I would have a justis as I feel I really just paid extra for a name. At least when I buy a rolex I'm sure I'm going to get my money back for it if need be in the long run...I don't feel that with my justis...but my case also gets it's share of dings and marks from being thrown in the trunk of my car or knocked around at bars. My Rolex doesn't quite take the beating so is like new.
Another poster raised a good question! Why is everyone so quick to jump on jb for being made in china but no one ever screams Don't buy kumai...BUY MASTERS because it's made in china! Don't buy predator!!! Buy OB because it's made in america!!!
I can honestly say I've never read anyone complain about these things in threads.
Another poster raised a good question! Why is everyone so quick to jump on jb for being made in china but no one ever screams Don't buy kumai...BUY MASTERS because it's made in china! Don't buy predator!!! Buy OB because it's made in america!!!
I can honestly say I've never read anyone complain about these things in threads.
Pathetic Shark
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Eh? Everyone's always saying buy OB over Predator because they're made in America. Same for no end of other products.
Put it this way. When buying a JB Case, you're supporting 1 American AND 10-15 Chinese... Put another way, you're supporting 10-15 human beings and their families. If John moved his shop in North America, je would be forced to raise his prices or lower the quality, potentially selling less cases, employing less people (lower product velocity) and therefore supporting less families. Now if you prefer supporting 3 American families versus 15 families from another country, this is a personal value thing...
If John is able to make a living AND able to help a bunch of people put food on the table AND on top of that provide a product that's lower in price for the similar quality, I would not be shy to call it a win/win situation.
As for the junk brand comment, this hints me that you may have never held a JB Case in your hands... JB Case may not be to everyone's case but they are far from being junk products.
One last thing about work going to China... Take a few minutes to read this. You may realize that things aren't as clear cut with regards to buying American/Chinese...
Buying From China Is in Fact Buying American
P.S. I don't agree 100% with all the points stated in the linked article but it sure shows that things are not black or black
2nd P.S. I'm pretty sure John doesn't pay his staff sweat shop hourly rates. The rates may seem low to us North Americans but I'm sure the staff on his pay roll make a decent living.
Cheers
Well, as of January 5th 2013 you are supporting 3 Americans directly when you buy a JB Case
Johnny, Jessie and Katrina. In addition you are supporting Katrina's mother Karen and her mother. You are indirectly supporting several American dealers and the people who work in the ports and brokerage houses and delivery drivers as well as any salespeople, warehouse staff, etc.... in the USA.
And you are indeed supporting about 15 other humans who aren't American and their families.
Because of our efforts thousands of customers each year can purchase low priced cases with great protection, saving them money which they then can spend as they need and want to on other things. Hundreds of people can get the case of their dreams from our shop in TRUE custom fashion with almost no compromise for less than our major competitors charge again saving them money which they can use as they wish to.
As Ben Franklin put it, a penny saved is a penny earned so if we take the difference in price between our cases and the much higher priced competition we are helping our customers in America, who are likely mostly American, to earn tens of thousands of dollars.
Because there is a CLEAR double standard here.
No one in the Jack Pack condemns Jack for using Chinese made interiors and bags. But they are quick to shout "buy American".
No one condemns Simonis for being a foreign brand, or Aramith for being made in Belgium.
Oh but it's about Human Rights Abuses so China is "bad", but the Germans killed six million Jews and yet we buy Mercedes and BMW and Audis among other German brands. And the Japanese raped and tortured millions of Chinese women and exterminated millions of Chinese citizens and other South East Asian people and yet we can't buy enough Sony products can we?
It's all hypocrisy. The fact is that when we trade with the world we RAISE the standard of living for the impoverished countries and raise our own standard of living by getting a wider choice of products at lower prices. At no time in United States history has an American had it better than right now. Our poor people are wealthy compared to most of the world's population.
People who pretend to care about the "poor oppressed Chinese" are the same people who are quick to advocate cutting them off from trade and thus plunging them into horrible poverty and famine. The Chinese people WORK to earn their place in the world, they don't depend on handouts. They offer their labor in exchange for dollars and those dollars end up going back to the USA to pay for education, investment, equipment, goods, and tourism.
China has never been at war with the United States, never attacked the USA and yet they are treated worse than the two countries that tried to destroy America. Yes China is not democratic (yet), yes they have a horrible human rights record, yes the government does a lot of things we don't like, yes copying is rampant, but this is a land of 1.5 BILLION human souls living in a culture that is 5000 years old with 3000 years of recorded history. The present government has only been in power for 60 years out of that 3000.
Instead of looking past the current government and to the Chinese people so many make China out to be an evil empire bent on the destruction of the world when that is the farthest thing from the truth. Life on the ground here is so very different than what is reported by the media. The media is interested in sensationalism, the people in China are interested in upward mobility and willing to work hard for it. They do what they can with the system they have. Remember that PEOPLE live here, have kids, love those kids, care for each other, and do the same things that people around the world do, live their lives the best way they can.
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