Actually I was talking about Accu-Stats and Derby/Tunica.
Thanks for admitting publicly you are a piece of shit thief though.
Was Tunica a success?
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Actually I was talking about Accu-Stats and Derby/Tunica.
Thanks for admitting publicly you are a piece of shit thief though.
Do you really believe that?, you are smarter then that. Talk to any player and ask him and see what he says about the events and whatever else, if he is honest you might be enlightened. Most are burnt out from being heisted by expenses mainly, the entries if the tourney is down the street are no big deal. It is the hotel, airfare, baggage and food expenses when you are eating out that make the weekend event or week event going into the 2-3 thousand dollar range with first place in most tournaments under $10,000 so its not a smart money decision. Like Corey posted on his Facebook that he needed to take 3rd place at Tunica in an event just to break even.
lol i wasnt so bad when me and my .45 got you out of the pool room at the us open after you and frost got into it and 10 of them was waiting for you and the cops were on the way..your about 4 yrs late on your allegations..what a piece
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Are you really trying to educate me about expenses of being on the tournament trail? Come on, Lenny. I have a little bit of knowledge in this department.
Surely, you can do better than this.
Yeah. Thats how it happened.
I never really minded you stealing from me which is why I havent said anything over the years. I didnt make my money off DVD's. Pat knew what you were doing as well and just shrugged it off. But you had ripped virtually his whole catalog and thats how he pays his bills. Then you want to talk shit about the very people who paid and worked for the events you stole. Thats too much.
You are an admitted thief. Thats all I was looking for. Long as people here know who they are dealing with and talking to I got what I want.
Agreed.........
Sticky? Or sub forum? :grin-square:
So since its been brought up, and apparently no one is going to take my fantastic idea and run with it, who are the most vocal pro's on Facebook?
Since I now have a project....
Apparently Frost and Duell are must reads, and I already see Dechaine.
Suggestions?
Since I now have a project....
Apparently Frost and Duell are must reads, and I already see Dechaine.
Suggestions?
Basically, the summary of the colloquy I have read by a few folks is that the expenses are brutal for pool players to attend pool tournaments today in 2013. With travel, hotel, food, entry fees, et cetera, the ones who are currently in Vegas are comfortable where they are at and don't really want to incur any expenditures going elsewhere when they can be paid by BB to stay put.
There was one school of thought expressed that American promoters are making all the money and the players must come in first, second, or third to break even.
Though the above-referenced is my paraphrasing, please note it is not a word-for-word or verbatim.
Thanks for the summary.
Since I have obviously jumped into full de-rail mode (apologies to the OP), my question still stands. Apparently Facebook is where its at now to learn anything about what the pro's think. Who are the must-reads on Facebook?
Perhaps this topic deserves its own thread
I like hanging out with the vintage pool peeps, Diana Hoppe, Mary Kenniston, Larry Lisciotti's wife, and a few AzB-ers. Lock N Load has a nice page with some cool pool info on it.
The Bonus Ball teams all have Facebook pages, I believe. You can like them and then read all about the happenings with the team members. Earl is with New York Pride, I think. Shannon is with Atlanta. Forget the name of the team, though. He's with Johnny Archer and Shannon Daulton. :smile:
No apology necessary. Happens all the time around here. My post may have been premature anyway. Maybe I'll ask again in another week or so (unless this one is still alive).
In response to your question, Follow or Friend whomever you have a connection with regarding pros. You can search their names and see who's posting what.
Scott Frost is an ardent defender of Bonus Ball on his FB (edgy)
Corey Duel lets you know how he's doing in tourneys, lets people know when his BB team is playing, etc.
All the players have their own style, so investigate who you like, and follow who you prefer.
In order to attempt to get this back on track after I went on tilt and derailed it:
Before I start I want to make it clear I do not know the specifics of the Tunica deal with Harrahs. The post below is general information.
The way a lot of big events work is that there are milestones an event has to meet with the hotel. These can include room nights sold to event participants, a food and beverage number that has to be met and things like that. Often it takes casino/hotels several weeks or even months to count all of the beans and let the event holder know exactly what the end result was.
If the event gets room rebates then that number is added up and any charges to the event are deducted. These charges can be everything from pipe and drape rental to labor for electrical rigging for lights or even bottled water distributed at the event. Most of it comes down to the original contract and what is included in it. Everything over and above what is in that contract gets charged. If the promoter gets room rebates, met all the milestones and has a balance remaining after the charges are deducted then usually a few months after the event (I have seen up to six months later) they will get a check from the hotel. If the event didnt go well then they will receive a bill.
Every event is different. In my experience the only constant is that nothing happens quickly and things ALWAYS change at one point or another. Also in my experience most hotels are a nightmare to deal with as the right hand never knows what the left is doing. All that means is I would bet no one is sure yet exactly how the thing did overall . It obviously wasn't a total disaster and it sounds like the amateur events did ok so that may balace lower turnout in the open events.
Hotels only care about one thing: bodies. They dont care if they play open events or amateur ones. They just care that they pay for rooms, eat, drink and ideally gamble. After all those numbers get crunched only then will someone know if it was good or bad. To me the only question is will the event happen again? If it does I think it can be classified a success. If not then thats just how it goes sometimes.
It is a brutally tough racket.
I think they need to move it to the coast if possible..for a summer event one may be able to take his whole family and on the coast they would have other options while one watches pool..I understand a part reason harrahs may be chosen is because there is nothing else or anywhere else to go for that matter..Leaving one to spend all their time and money at the particular casino..i mean it does work for the derby..and thats in the middle of the winter..I just think for a summer time i wouldnt want to spend my vacation time in tunica..ha ha but i play pool so i will..hope they have it again somewhere..that just seemed to be the number one complaint I heard..My main objection also..only time will tell if it was a success as JCIN stated..Cause ppl wont keep producing a failure year in and year out..later
A lot of good info in there on the inner workings. Thanks for the education! So I guess I won't expect an answer on this thread anytime soon since the results take some time. Appreciate the time spent for a quality response.