What does that mean, one dimensional?
CJ Wiley vs Ronnie Wiseman Up Next ACCU STATS 9b Thu 2:30 est
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What does that mean, one dimensional?
I think CJ can handle it and why say it if you feel that it's a negative thing.
Do you mean that he can only pocket balls but can't bank or kick or play safe? I read what you wrote and thought what dimensions are there in pool that must be mastered?
I would say pocketing, position play, speed control, safety play, kicking, banking, jumping, masse, and touch, are all aspects of pool that have to be learned to a decent degree of proficiency to be considered a good player.
So if this is what you mean by dimensions how does a player get to world class speed by only mastering one of them?
Don't be afraid of red rep, I will turn you green again.
I have like a gajillion points and one green hit from me makes 30-40 people work overtime to counteract it. Seriously though this is a spot to have constructive discussions and CJ has shown that he is willing to discuss every aspect of pool and his own game if the conversation is with civility and respect.
honesty is what we all could use more of.
It's ok to tell CJ or any other player that they made mistakes. I saw the match and he did get a couple bad rolls but on the flip side there were a couple of opportunities for safes that were not utilized. It could have been rust or just wanting to go for it only CJ knows that. I have a lot of respect for CJ but I don't see anything wrong with telling him what you see, he may already see it that way or it may open his eyes to something he didn't see but either way I believe he would handle it as a gentleman and as an adult. That being said if he can appreciate the constructive criticism so can the rest of us and no one should red rep you just for being honest. Good luck with your decision. Larry
It's ok to tell CJ or any other player that they made mistakes. I saw the match and he did get a couple bad rolls but on the flip side there were a couple of opportunities for safes that were not utilized. It could have been rust or just wanting to go for it only CJ knows that. I have a lot of respect for CJ but I don't see anything wrong with telling him what you see, he may already see it that way or it may open his eyes to something he didn't see but either way I believe he would handle it as a gentleman and as an adult. That being said if he can appreciate the constructive criticism so can the rest of us and no one should red rep you just for being honest. Good luck with your decision. Larry
It's ok to tell CJ or any other player that they made mistakes. I saw the match and he did get a couple bad rolls but on the flip side there were a couple of opportunities for safes that were not utilized. It could have been rust or just wanting to go for it only CJ knows that. I have a lot of respect for CJ but I don't see anything wrong with telling him what you see, he may already see it that way or it may open his eyes to something he didn't see but either way I believe he would handle it as a gentleman and as an adult. That being said if he can appreciate the constructive criticism so can the rest of us and no one should red rep you just for being honest. Good luck with your decision. Larry
Apparently you aren't aware of a certain someones posting history on here. It's not okay on here to disagree with the pros. They have a tendency to lash out at constructive criticism, make fun of you, belittle you, and then six months later when another pro tells them the same thing, they thank the other pro for the great info. Not worth bothering with it at all.
"CJ, if you don't lose 20 pounds you'll never play your highest speed again".
Yes, it was apparent to everyone that has seen me play before that something was wrong, and it wasn't just my pool game...... Hunter Lombardo told me the "constructive criticism" in the kindest, gentlest way - "CJ, if you don't lose 20 pounds you'll never play your highest speed again".....AMEN! 'The Game is the Teacher'
It's ok to tell CJ or any other player that they made mistakes. I saw the match and he did get a couple bad rolls but on the flip side there were a couple of opportunities for safes that were not utilized. It could have been rust or just wanting to go for it only CJ knows that. I have a lot of respect for CJ but I don't see anything wrong with telling him what you see, he may already see it that way or it may open his eyes to something he didn't see but either way I believe he would handle it as a gentleman and as an adult. That being said if he can appreciate the constructive criticism so can the rest of us and no one should red rep you just for being honest. Good luck with your decision. Larry
Yes, it was apparent to everyone that has seen me play before that something was wrong, and it wasn't just my pool game...... Hunter Lombardo told me the "constructive criticism" in the kindest, gentlest way - "CJ, if you don't lose 20 pounds you'll never play your highest speed again".....AMEN! 'The Game is the Teacher'
How unfortunate it is that people on this forum have to think this way. I didn't see the stream and would be interested in seeing Primo's observations and CJ's responses. This could help better some peoples games.
Jiffy Lube !
If you see CJ in the future slimmed down wearing a Jiffy Lube hat and work clothes, you may want to bet on him lol !!!
If you see CJ in the future slimmed down wearing a Jiffy Lube hat and work clothes, you may want to bet on him lol !!!
he said he won a tournament one time and rarely drew his cue ball.
It appears that few players use "one dimensional" used as a pool term, so your guess is as good as mine. Corey finally told me how to play on those tables, and it does use less "dimensions" - he said he won a tournament one time and rarely drew his cue ball.
Playing on fast cloth with super fast rails does take a certain type stroke that's much more designed for finesse than power. Any champion player can adjust, however, you do have to "tone down" your stroke to calibrate the speed to shot ratio.
I think CJ can handle it and why say it if you feel that it's a negative thing.
Do you mean that he can only pocket balls but can't bank or kick or play safe? I read what you wrote and thought what dimensions are there in pool that must be mastered?
I would say pocketing, position play, speed control, safety play, kicking, banking, jumping, masse, and touch, are all aspects of pool that have to be learned to a decent degree of proficiency to be considered a good player.
So if this is what you mean by dimensions how does a player get to world class speed by only mastering one of them?
Don't be afraid of red rep, I will turn you green again.
It appears that few players use "one dimensional" used as a pool term, so your guess is as good as mine. Corey finally told me how to play on those tables, and it does use less "dimensions" - he said he won a tournament one time and rarely drew his cue ball.
Playing on fast cloth with super fast rails does take a certain type stroke that's much more designed for finesse than power. Any champion player can adjust, however, you do have to "tone down" your stroke to calibrate the speed to shot ratio.
and if he is wearing his makin bacon hat you really need to up the bet !! lol
Actually I don't think red is headed your way... I know CJ has a thick skin but a one dimensional knock isn't "constructive" criticism.... IF you mean all he had was offense or he seemed to only be able to use the higher end of his stroke speed or he overlooked safety play when the table dictated that was the way to go then there is meat on the bone... I said earlier I thought it was his table awareness that was lacking... That was a knock but what I consider a constructive one... IF you come with specifics then post on brother.....
Chris
LMAO. I used to own and operate 14 Jiffy Lubes from 1988 - 2009. Thanks for bringing back nightmares. I'd see one or two in a restaurant or someplace, in uniform, and all I could think was "please don't stab me".
You know CJ, we spoke about the rails on a diamond a couple of years back when you came to visit and you told me, Billy, we have to learn to play on them, but you have to admit it went to nothing but a finesse game with a diamond and you also have to change the angle coming short.
I don't know about you, but I don't have a diamond table closer than 30 miles, and I just don't have the time to spend traveling to learn to play a different kind of pool from what I had played for 25 years, so, I guess my question is, what choice to people like me have but go off taking the worse of it matching up on diamonds or no action, since no one wants to play on a goldcrown? Even the blue cloth makes the table play different to me. I feel you are trying to adjust to the same thing and people who have played mostly on diamonds, just don't understand how different they really play compared to any other table. Its like learning a different type of pool!
I see it like any other sport, you adapt to conditions. Whatever those conditions are who is better equipped to handle different conditions than a pro?
In my experience, there aren't that many differences between a GC and a Diamond. Cloth is cloth so you have to just hit some balls to be able to adjust speed as well as how fast the cushions rebound. Hit some test shots and see if the table banks short or long and then remember it when you play. I see so many pros miss banks shots on a Diamond by hitting them short.
I would think that since Diamonds are set up at the factory and most mechanics don't change the angle of the facings when replacing the rubber, playing on Diamonds should be way more consistant than Gold Crowns that have been hammered by mechanics replacing old rubber and changing to different rubber over the years and if there are many Gold Crowns in a pool hall, a lot of them play very differently.
I would think that since Diamonds are set up at the factory and most mechanics don't change the angle of the facings when replacing the rubber, playing on Diamonds should be way more consistant than Gold Crowns that have been hammered by mechanics replacing old rubber and changing to different rubber over the years and if there are many Gold Crowns in a pool hall, a lot of them play very differently.
the fact is the 'Diamond Game' can be learned by any professional player.
Yes, I agree, the Diamonds are different and require a different style of game than the Gold Crown's. You have to slow roll a lot more balls and I was advised to "draw my cue ball" much less on the Diamonds. The harder "shot speed" is not an advantage on the Diamond pockets like they are on Gold Crowns.....quite the contrary.
"When is Rome do as the Romans" - the fact is the 'Diamond Game' can be learned by any professional player. The "Race to 9" winner break/rack your own is a bit quick so you better have the table mastered by the lag or it may be too late. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, I agree, the Diamonds are different and require a different style of game than the Gold Crown's. You have to slow roll a lot more balls and I was advised to "draw my cue ball" much less on the Diamonds. The harder "shot speed" is not an advantage on the Diamond pockets like they are on Gold Crowns.....quite the contrary.
"When is Rome do as the Romans" - the fact is the 'Diamond Game' can be learned by any professional player. The "Race to 9" winner break/rack your own is a bit quick so you better have the table mastered by the lag or it may be too late. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Hey Lou, besides that line you quoted and the rest of my post, can you please explain so I can understand the real truth please. Of course I was talking about playability and not looks.
--Jeff
Jeff, me too.
I usually play on a GC3 -- that's what I've got available in STL.
But, in the last 15 years I've played in over 10 DCCs, both SCs, and several US Open events, all played on Diamonds.
And my conclusion is that playing on Diamonds is a totally different experience.
Yes, it's the same for both players, and, in a perfect world, you should be able to adjust. But, IMO, unless you are a pro player, you have no chance at a quick adjustment from GCs. (You even have CJ in this thread saying pretty much the same.)
Diamonds play fast, they play short, and the pockets are unforgiving, in a way that even double-shimmed GCs are not. It's not just bank shots, it is any position play off a rail. Put that all together in *an uber competitive situation against high caliber opponents,* switching from one to the other makes you: a dead duck.
Lou Figueroa
CJ I understand and agee what you are saying but I see Dennis O and Shane playing really great and firing in shots and playing soft shots and they hardly miss on Diamonds.
To me you are the pinnacle of teaching and table knowledge and you were one of the best players ever during your peak. It is hard for me to disagree and to hear you say that someone advised you to not use draw as much. I just can't see you not figuring out what you need to do by yourself. You are the master of disecting anything.
But I guess even the best have a difficult time determining what is best. That is why there are teachers in pro sports.
--Jeff
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