Did anyone hear Jayson Commenting about doing deals with SVB?

The prize fund is the players' money. Cut it in half, hedge some of it, play for it all... their business.

That said, it is unprofessional to ignore responsibilities to the organizer, streamers, spectators, calcutta buyers, etc. Have to play hard all the time. I suppose that's why there can be rules against hedging?
 
I heard that during the stream. I thought I was hearing things. There was no reason to bring that up, at all. It may have eased the loss a lil bit in his mind. I would assume the bar owner and SVB would have liked that to remain a secret.


The Calcutta situation absolutely could have been a lil bit uneasy... :-)
 
That was uncool IMO.

I was surprised by what Daz was saying in chat during this match. Some people were going off on Earl for going off on Jayson. Daz just kept saying something like "This has nothing to do with Earl. This is on Jayson. I spoke with him earlier and told him to be patient and focus. He's got a lot of growing to do. This is on Jayson."

I was WTFing while Daz repeatedly posted that @ a fellow "pond-mate", until it hit me (next day) what he meant. A pool player, businessman, person - can only control what he/she can control. "Jayson missed the critical 5 ball, not Earl". Then Jayson got in the booth and blamed it all on Earl.

Daz is made of stone and fades sh1t like bleach on a red shirt.
 
I almost took what Jasyon said to mean Shane offered to split the money because he felt bad about Earl causing him to lose...........doubt it though.

When did the alleged saver offer happen? Can't see a saver being offered after Jayson jumped overbored...
 
I know everyone says its ok, its the players money to chooses what to do with, yada yada yada....

It just seems unseemly, when the best players in the game decide a match this way.

Don't tell me they still play the same way as they would if they were playing for all the first place money....not when everyone insists you cant play your best unless you're playing for something.

It just seems....wrong.

I know, I know....I don't know anything. Glad I don't gamble on this stuff.
 
A couple things from my perspective.

A saver is different from a chop as far as I know. Isn't that the case everywhere? So with a saver, there is still majority going to the winner, so still plenty to play for.

Are there savers in golf? Maybe not since so many pro golfers make plenty just by making the cut in golf.

What about television shows? I'm thinking like Master Chef where it starts with 18 people and works it's way to a single winner over months. So now you're down to the last 2 where the winner gets $250k and a cookbook deal and 2nd place gets nothing. You don't think they have a $50k saver once down to the last 2?

My contention is they happen all the time, they're just not advertised on a stream. Normally when I hear about a saver, it's from the guy that lost and he's saying "at least I made some money cuz he was afraid I might win". But normally those people aren't in front of a mic.
 
I get so tired of people wanting to split the winnings...we never used to split....i say man up and beat me....if you split you lose that psycological edge next time
 
Don't tell me they still play the same way as they would if they were playing for all the first place money....not when everyone insists you cant play your best unless you're playing for something.

You know nothing john snow!!! :)
Well, you already know (or should know) that highlighted part is not entirely correct.
A few world class players choose not to gamble, such as Ralf.

Shane said he ran 14 racks in a row on a standard diamond.
Did he do that in a tournament, or for money? Nope, just in practice.

Gambling is a cure for some people who suffer from"don'tgiveashit-itis".
Guys like Shane don't have that problem.
 
A saver is to get a % of someone's winnings. A split is the purse mount two or more are playing for. Neither is cool for the fan, better, or calcuta player, but the split is the worst of the two. Johnnyt
 
I also caught Jason talking about deals and chopping at the hour mark again with Archer. Looks like none of the other players told him to keep that on the low during those thirty minutes about it.

Archer even kept the discussion going about it as Jayson was wondering if he would chop with Earl. Archer of course said SVB would never chop with Earl.
 
BIG difference between dumping and savers.

Exactly right.

At big tournaments, the majority of the pros make savers with their "friends" if they have to play against them. They each still give it their all, but it's like giving your friend a jelly roll.

If one of them gets knocked out of the tournament, then they still have a horse in the race to root for in hopes they win more in the money brackets. The savers I've witnessed are usually 10 percent. Not a biggy unless you win the entire event. Then it could be a nice chunk of change, that 10 percent saver.
 
Savers are a factor of sports where money is involved. I have had savers myself.

I don't know what a chop is. I assumed it meant the same as saver. Not being American, can someone explain it to me?

What I absolutely detest though is players openly agreeing to split the winnings of a final and then, if applicable, playing a frame for the ranking points (if applicable). I put an absolute stop to this in my own events when I ran them.

Shaw is a bad loser and that is the basis of what he said. I do not mean that as a criticism as ultimately in order to be the very best you must be a bad loser and I have seen it in many many players. Indeed in the same commentary Shaw and Archer discussed Archer having broken cues in the past.

On the basis that Shaw was "hot under the collar" and he was commentating on a match featuring his alleged antagonist, it might be viewed as a mistake to invite him in to commentary in the first place..
 
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Savers are a factor of sports where money is involved. I have had savers myself.

I don't know what a chop is. I assumed it meant the same as saver. Not being American, can someone explain it to me?

What I absolutely detest though is players openly agreeing to split the winnings of a final and then, if applicable, playing a frame for the ranking points (if applicable). I put an absolute stop to this in my own events when I ran them.

Shaw is a bad loser and that is the basis of what he said. I do not mean that as a criticism as ultimately in order to be the very best you must be a bad loser and I have seen it in many many players. Indeed in the same commentary Shaw and Archer discussed Archer having broken cues in the past.

On the basis that Shaw was "hot under the collar" and he was commentating on a match featuring his alleged antagonist, it might be viewed as a mistake to invite him in to commentary in the first place..

Voice,
Here are the differences from my perspective. I'm assuming it's similar all around, although there may be some slight differences.

Split/Chop - Same thing. Splitting 50/50 on winnings. Can happen in several different times.
1. Final 2 players look at 1st being $1000, 2nd being $500. They agree to chop and get $750 each. May not even play the last match depending on Tourney Directors requirements.
2. Getting close to the money and 2 players that feel they are equally matched and agree to split 50/50 wherever they place. So one ends up in 8th for $60 and one ends up in 3rd for $240, they split the winnings $150 each. Where this gets difficult on the math is when further splits/savers are agreed as the winner proceeds further.
3. Start of tourney - 2 or more friends in a tourney agree up front that they will pool their winnings and split all ways.

Savers - Either a dollar amount or percentage of winnings to take the sting out of losing a little bit. I only have experience in the example below.

2 players are playing in the money rounds (or 1 before the money). Let's say the loser of the match is going to get nothing and the winner is going to get at least $200, the players may agree that the winner will give the loser $50. Takes the sting away from playing all day in a tourney to fall short of the money and get nothing. With the saver, they at least paid for the day.

Many will negotiate a saver in each round they advance further. Professionals do it because there isn't huge money in pool and when they get close, they start looking at prize money and their expenses and try to cover the nut. Amateurs do it so they feel they didn't work all day to get nothing.
 
That'as pretty much the same as here then.

I was just seeking to clarify the slang. For example, fag means a cigarette here and something else there, we call "english" "side" and so on..

Thank you for the response! :D
 
Maybe SVB was using some psychology on young Mr. Shaw! What if by him telling Jayson that he would spilt with him added a little extra pressure on him an never mind inflating his ego just a wee bit. Now SVB gets what he wanted, to play one of his idols and Jayson has to wait to chop a different tournament. Food for thought, discuss.....

Shane don't operate like that.
 
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