Wow. He really kicked your player's ass. You showed him LOL.
i just gotta say . that made me lmao. :grin-square:
Wow. He really kicked your player's ass. You showed him LOL.
i know what you are saying maniac. our sunday night division has more teams than bar tables available. every week 2 teams rotate playing on the 9's. just so happened one week my gf "a 2 " had a break and run on the 9 footer without a single time out. subsequently a couple of weeks later she was raised to a 3.
here it is a year later and she is still the weakest 3 in the division.![]()
i know what you are saying maniac. our sunday night division has more teams than bar tables available. every week 2 teams rotate playing on the 9's. just so happened one week my gf "a 2 " had a break and run on the 9 footer without a single time out. subsequently a couple of weeks later she was raised to a 3.
here it is a year later and she is still the weakest 3 in the division.![]()
I agree, seems like you get raised up a lot faster than you can ever be lowered.
Ken
well... something we both agree on.:thumbup:
let me share this story with you ken. actually 2 stories.
i play in the wed night money league at hi pockets that i know you have played in before, last session as a matter of fact.
i think we will both agree that thwre are a lot of nice guys in that league and most play pretty sporty. i 1st played in that league for 2 sessions about 8 years ago . got out of it until last session.
well i have known rick the lo all this time and he is a pretty cool guy. when i put a team in the league last session he trusted the handicaps i recommended for my players because i brought in some new faces. well my gf started as a 3 and she is an apa 3.
well after a few weeks she went to a 6. also her son " a 15 year old boy " who has not shot pool more than 6 months total his whole life was raised to a 6 also. it was killing our team.
they were not raised because of their playing ability, they were raised because of guys dumping on them. as you know it is a bcapl points based league. all that matters is how many points you average a week.
we had several opponents on a few teams that would put break and runs on our best players shutting them out with no points. then magically turn into bangers against an apa 3 and a 15 year old boy who has never played league. i counted one match after one of them putting up 3 break and runs in a row going 15 innings against my gf before she finally won 9-6, and 12 innings against her son who won 9-5.
so you got 3 guys on one team doing that which means each one wins 41 - 18 or 19 against our team. they hold our team to nothing and maintain their 40 point average which holds them at an 8 handicap.
after 2 consecutive weeks of that , boom she shoots to a 6 and i gotta hear her bragging all the way home how she scored more points than me. 30 to my 18 because i only broke twice and won both of them. remember the other 3 rounds i had break an runs put on me while they dumped to her.
now contrary to what some of my posts on here may lead you to believe otherwise i am not a complainer or whiner. just stating facts.
i , as you stated do put on my big boy pants and fade this shit.actually a mutual aquaintance of yours and mine who plays on my team did talk to rick and get my gf lowered to a 5 this session. we still think she oughta be a 3 lol.
actually i really like this league , its a change of pace from apa. ilike i said i have known most of the players since i 1st went to hi pockets 8 years ago.
also another poster said if you dont like sandbagging then dont play. this aqquaintance of ours son did just that last session. he dropped off our team because he said he did not like the sandbagging going on.
he went back to apa. IMAGINE THAT ! he went back to apa because he did not like sandbaging under the bcapl format lol.
this post is long enough. the other story later.
The APA punishes players for getting TOO good, what do you expect to happen?
Ditto on this. That "cap" is what creates serious problems in team management. The 23 cap forces a dependency on below average team members. If it was a 25 cap, a lot of these problems would disappear.
Wow. He really kicked your player's ass. You showed him LOL.
So again, its ok to cheat, cuz "it's only APA, it is what it is", am I correct?
Sandbagging is common in APA. It's a good system for neophytes but a skill level 5 or better should play in a non-handicap league if they want fair play. Handicap leagues don't do anything to increase knowledge or skill for a seasoned player, they're only good for beginers or sandbaggers! Funny how often sandbaggers turn out to be local hustlers. Maybe the challenge lies in the concealment of their skills?
Unfortunately YES.
Here's the thing. You get on a team, you all have a good time. You guys want to play together, but 1 guy gets a little too good, now what? O looky there, he had a HORRIBLE week...
There are stronger and weaker teams in every devision of the VNEA league i play. If your team plays to what they are capable of, it is close EVERYTIME. I mean with in a few balls.
The same system is employed in summer league where you have teams from the very bottom (B2) all the way up to the masters teams. My team, a very average speed team snapped off the top team in the league with this handicap system. 3 masters players vs. 2 average guys and 1 pretty good player. We played to where we were capable of, and won. NO SANDBAGGING...
The APA handicap limit is a JOKE. Change the spots, or the system so people could play with out sand bagging and the sand baggers would stop... NOT A REAL COMPLICATED IDEA IF YOU ASK ME!![]()
Not to sound like a broken record, I just want to be clear, its ok to cheat then?
To me, cheating is cheating. You can't justify it. Not because you wanna play with your buddies, not because "everyone else is doing it"..... You are saying it is ok to cheat.
Therein lies the problem. Too many people will come up with a justification for cheating.
And raising the cap wouldn't stop it. After all, guys will still wanna play with their buddies, right? Oh that's right, that makes it ok. I forgot. Or do you think higher level players dont have buddies, too?
Yea, in the current APA system, it doesn't even bug me a little. If you eliminated the cap, made the system so that say and SL8 give an SL3 3-4 games, and the 6-7 out, yeah, you wouldn't have half the problem. There are almost NO sand baggers in my leagues.
I agree with you to a certain extent that cheating is wrong. I guess I don't see sand bagging as cheating really. Just working within the system your stuck in.
I played APA for three years and the sandbagging is clearly evident when you go to Vegas for the National Tournament. The one time I went out there I saw skill level 4's and 5's in 8-ball getting up and breaking and running racks consistently. I was a SL8 and in one the mini tournaments I had a guy who was a SL5 break and run the set on me I didn't even get to shoot not one shot! After I came back from vegas I finished my session and quit.
I love on their advertising how they say "Win a FREE trip to Las Vegas" me and my partner won our mixed doubles 8-ball league and the money we won to go didn't even cover our airfare and hotel!
Sandbagging is against the rules, as they are written.
You don't agree with that rule, thus you justify breaking that rule intentionally, which I consider cheating. You do not.
It's not the end of the world. And you are far from alone.
I just wanted to clarify the argument.