wanna know how to out a sandbagger ?

The fall session will only be my third in the APA so I'm no expert on the APA.

That said, I find that many turn a blind eye to sandbaggers. There are some that openly brag about their sandbagging prowess. From what I've seen though it is the only way they can keep their teams together and still meet the 23 rule. They are usually found on the teams that consistently make the playoffs and go to Vegas so I guess it validates their behavior.

I've played at least three matches where I suspected the other player was sandbagging. I took my victory and walked away feeling like I was slimed, but I will take the "W" every time. If my team ever makes the playoffs I just hope I'm lucky enough to play them again and prove that cheaters never win.

I think it's kind of sad that these people have so little faith in their ability to win a fair match that they resort to cheating.

Playing in the APA is a fun diversion, if I need to go to Vegas in August that badly I'll buy a ticket and keep my integrity.

Many do turn a blind eye to the sandbaggers, looking at it from a certain perspective I suspect that I'm among those that do. A while back I came to the realization that there was nothing I could do about it. The thing is that we'd ALL need to play fair for the system to work and lets' face it, regardless of the league or tournament that just ain't gonna happen. Someone earlier mentioned something about keeping their integrity. I have found the best way to do that is to take care of my own house, I can't worry about what that sandbaggin' 4 is doing on the other team, if I do it the right way I can maintain my integrity win or lose. But the sandbaggers are everywhere. It might be hard for some of you accept but they're on your very own team too. "Oh no, not on my team, they wouldn't be playing with me for very long if they did that"
Dude, please... think about it and be honest. I know you can point to a time where you saw it happen but managed to justify it somehow because it was your team or your buddy.
And we all have times where we couldn't throw it in the ocean if we were standing in a boat, and of course there are the times when we've had such pin point control it was scary - not because you were sandbagging, but because sometimes it just happens. Far too many of us b!tch and moan about the other guy when the reality is maybe you're just playing bad and they're playing good. Then there are actual sandbaggers and cheaters, what can you do? So you clean one out, you think there won't be another one tomorrow? a better one? If I had one wish for all league players it would be for each one of us to mind our own game and not worry about anyone else's. It's league night, have a beer, flirt with the girls, tell a joke and have some fun. The sandbaggers will always be there and some of them really need, mentally and emotionally, to do what they do. Play your own game, soon enough it won't matter how much the next guy sandbags.
 
Many do turn a blind eye to the sandbaggers, looking at it from a certain perspective I suspect that I'm among those that do. A while back I came to the realization that there was nothing I could do about it. The thing is that we'd ALL need to play fair for the system to work and lets' face it, regardless of the league or tournament that just ain't gonna happen. Someone earlier mentioned something about keeping their integrity. I have found the best way to do that is to take care of my own house, I can't worry about what that sandbaggin' 4 is doing on the other team, if I do it the right way I can maintain my integrity win or lose. But the sandbaggers are everywhere. It might be hard for some of you accept but they're on your very own team too. "Oh no, not on my team, they wouldn't be playing with me for very long if they did that"
Dude, please... think about it and be honest. I know you can point to a time where you saw it happen but managed to justify it somehow because it was your team or your buddy.
And we all have times where we couldn't throw it in the ocean if we were standing in a boat, and of course there are the times when we've had such pin point control it was scary - not because you were sandbagging, but because sometimes it just happens. Far too many of us b!tch and moan about the other guy when the reality is maybe you're just playing bad and they're playing good. Then there are actual sandbaggers and cheaters, what can you do? So you clean one out, you think there won't be another one tomorrow? a better one? If I had one wish for all league players it would be for each one of us to mind our own game and not worry about anyone else's. It's league night, have a beer, flirt with the girls, tell a joke and have some fun. The sandbaggers will always be there and some of them really need, mentally and emotionally, to do what they do. Play your own game, soon enough it won't matter how much the next guy sandbags.

Very nice. :thumbup:
 
Yeah, he is smart enough to cheat, and not get caught.

Nice to see you applauding that fact. Cuz, of course, its great to be a cheater, right? If you are "smart enough" to get away with it, I mean... Oh hell, its only APA, nothing wrong with that, huh?

Sheesh.

Yep, that's what I said. :thumbup:

Ken
 
The APA punishes players for getting TOO good, what do you expect to happen? I play a VNEA league here in SD, and for the most part these guys will jump over each other to be the best.

There is an APA league here as well, filled with sand baggers, so they don't have to break their teams apart. I don't blame them, and I don't care. I hate hearing from APA people about sand baggers. If you don't like them, don't play in a league that generates them by the dozens...
 
Gotta laugh through this...

Overhead at a Porsche Club amateur race:

One racer to a race steward, pointint to a car: "He's cheating."

Race Steward: "How do you know?"

Racer; "Because I'm cheating and he outpulls me in the straights."
 
Gotta laugh through this...

Overhead at a Porsche Club amateur race:

One racer to a race steward, pointint to a car: "He's cheating."

Race Steward: "How do you know?"

Racer; "Because I'm cheating and he outpulls me in the straights."

In racing, there are two types, cheaters, and losers...

Or so the old saying goes. I've heard similar in almost every type of racing. (though not usually said to the stewards.)
 
Sandbaggers never prosper,
funny these mediocre pool players who think they have the skill to control the game on all levels. When they lose, and use the self comforting excuse "well i had to lose to keep my rating down" excuse, when infact they thought they could "pad " their innings and still win against you.
Teams can play the numbers game but how many times ive seen it fail or backfire in some way is more then ive heard it work, it almost always come back and bites em in the arse, and always at the most crucial times, i.e. playoffs, cities, ect.
And then there are the teams that get to fly out to vegas and are immedietally disqualified , we hear about them every year.
Just play masters if you want to play apa without any B.S. its more fun, better format, more of a challenge and more gratifying if you win.

A.P.A. should have a "sandbagger " patch, they got a patch for everything else..:rolleyes:

Tronpocket----------->NEVER lost to a sandbagger ......on purpose....:grin-square:
 
Just curious, was it two break and runs? Never saw a four do that. But saw a 4 run a rack of 9b before
if the layout is easy. I can imagine one runout + two partial racks is possible for a four. Still fishy though.

Saw a 2 run out a 9 ball rack! Also saw a 2 bank 4 balls in a row!
 
A 4 getting smoked by an 8 isn't sandbagging.

Pissing him off so he comes back and smokes your 8......well I guess you showed him huh.

Now you only have to do that 9 more times and maybe he'll be a 5 by the time he and his team wins the league.

Assuming of course he hasn't already figured out the way APA handicaps works...in the last 8 years of maintaining his 4 SL.

Probably should a pissed him off while he has playing team in the spot right above yours instead.

:)
 
The APA punishes players for getting TOO good, what do you expect to happen? I play a VNEA league here in SD, and for the most part these guys will jump over each other to be the best.

There is an APA league here as well, filled with sand baggers, so they don't have to break their teams apart. I don't blame them, and I don't care. I hate hearing from APA people about sand baggers. If you don't like them, don't play in a league that generates them by the dozens...

Justin -

That is my point exactly.

I too, tire of hearing these "sandbagging" tales.

To be successful in this format you must. Put your big boy pants on and move on.

Ken
 
I could never bring myself to the level of sandbagging. Unless of course cheddar is involved.
 
I really don't mean to sound like a dick hear. It is what it is. APA is great for beginners, but it punishes the experienced. APA brings in new players, and thats great. I like them for that, but don't ***** about sand baggers. It is what it is.
 
I really don't mean to sound like a dick hear. It is what it is. APA is great for beginners, but it punishes the experienced. APA brings in new players, and thats great. I like them for that, but don't ***** about sand baggers. It is what it is.

So again, its ok to cheat, cuz "it's only APA, it is what it is", am I correct?
 
The APA punishes players for getting TOO good, what do you expect to happen? I play a VNEA league here in SD, and for the most part these guys will jump over each other to be the best.

This isn't a logical way of looking at it. There's no punishment.
If you join an amateur handicapped league, you must play by amateur handicapped league rules.

One of the rules is, you can't have too many strong players on one team.
There are no exceptions to the rule like "unless you've all been friends a long time" or
"unless you've been playing together for years".

So, it's not punishment when you're asked to play by the rules.
If I enter a restaurant that says "jacket required" and I don't have a jacket, I don't say
"they punished me for the way I like to dress".


Saw a 2 run out a 9 ball rack! Also saw a 2 bank 4 balls in a row!

Our team has the only 1 in the league and she banked 2 balls in, then made 2 long shots I'd be scared of.

That's why I'm very skeptical of people who cry sandbagger. Most of the time they're just
overreacting to a fluke. You gotta look at the stats overall rather than one crazy match.

Wow. He really kicked your player's ass. You showed him LOL.

Thought the same thing... to me, the time to report and 'deal with' sandbagging is when
someone is shooting phenomenal and going to crush you. Not when they're shooting crappy
and handing you a free win. I'll take the free win now, and then you can try to get away with suddenly
playing 5 speeds better in the regionals or finals. That can easily backfire.
 
ok guys ... i knew this thread would stir up a lil controversy. i also knew some people would see my viewpoint and some would start with the nit name calling or i would come across as a whiner or complainer.

to the posters that stated i cost my team a win... yea i did. but you know what ? i want every teamate to earn their wins. i dont want their win % inflated by people laying down on them and cause any of my players handicap to go up undeservedly.

to some one that said it is what it is and just have fun and accept the league for what it is. well i have done that for 3 years. i can fade rule breakers, or shall i say people that interpret the rules in their favor. i can fade people making obvious fouls and then denying it. i can fade all the b.s. and drama and just enjoy playing pool.

i also know that sometimes people can play above theirselves and also have nights where nothing goes their way. i am a prime example of that .:D

but..... when i overhear a player bragging to a teamate that he runs up innings and never attempts to beat a player with a higher s/l than him. i can even fade that for a while. but when our team faced that same player this time and saw that lil smirk on his face when he was walking back to the table after missing an easy shot it got to me.

i was not going to out him. i decided to bruise his ego a lil and let him out himself. what did i gain from this ? probably nothing but proving to my self what i knew and other people suspected about him. and that is that this player is capable of playing way above the skill level he displays week after week.

one more thing about causing my team a loss, we still won 52-48.

let me ask you this. suppose i had just kept my mouth shut ? my 8 has been playing at a pretty high level, suppose he had won this game and was raised to a 9 ? i dont have room on my team for a 9. i would have hurt my team worse by not saying nothing.

let me reiterrate, i have no problem with anyone going up on their own merits, that means they are improving and deserve to be raised . but i darn sure cant afford people to be raised due to some people dumping their games and my player is not really capable of playing at a higher level.
 
My wife had a break-and-run in APA 9-ball as a SL3. It took a decent table layout and both of her timeouts to get-r-done though.

Needless to say, the other team didn't share in her excitement after the fact.

She was raised to a SL4 several weeks afterwards.

Maniac

i know what you are saying maniac. our sunday night division has more teams than bar tables available. every week 2 teams rotate playing on the 9's. just so happened one week my gf "a 2 " had a break and run on the 9 footer without a single time out. subsequently a couple of weeks later she was raised to a 3.

here it is a year later and she is still the weakest 3 in the division.:confused:
 
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