Azsandshark
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Narcissism at its finest!
I run Arizona Hot Shots Pool League #0010 in Phoenix, Arizona. Though I am not involved in this mess, regretfully I have to respond to this personal attack
Jerry Stuckart.
Please don’t attempt to disparage my name and reputation to distract everyone from your actions. I have nothing to do with the position you, your league (BCA Champions League #1094), your players, your host location and the BCAPL as a whole are in right now. This issue of you fabricating stats to benefit your team at the Nationals was reported by players in your league that recognized you were cheating. THEY came forward and reported it, not I. The captain of the team that your stats showed the player in question John P. playing on even denied knowing who this guy is or ever seeing him in the poolroom ever. He never played a match for that team, though his team stats showed he played 8 weeks I was told on his team. Your players were offended and brought it forward.
Attempting to say that this is a vendetta between another league operator, bar/pool room owners, pool instructors and those in the media is absolutely asinine and just a way to distract the BCAPL and Arizona players from the fact that you defrauded just over 6000 players on a National level. This comes at a bad time for the BCAPL as the APA has recently lost all credibility last year when they failed to protect their players from a team fraudulently switching players during their event. That team went on to win their National Championship. There is a long thread on this forum regarding that mess.
I am disappointed that a comment was made online regarding Tres Kane losing respect for coming forward to report this to the BCAPL and/or repeating what Jerry was saying at the BCA SW Regionals over Labor Day about what his punishment will be even before it was announced(probation). It gives the appearance of the whistleblower being called out, and not the perpetrator. Tres’ character has never wavered over all the years I have known him and played with him. He will call a friend or an organization out it he believes they are wrong. I admire this about him. This is a time when the 6000 players at the Nationals should be re-assured this behavior will not be tolerated, instead Tres loses respect and the cheating LO gets, well, gets to keep on operating as usual. I understand all the information regarding what took place in fabricating the stats was provided by players in Jerry Stuckarts league and brought forward to the BCAPL by Tres. Neither I, AHSPL, Mike Bates of Bullshooters, Roger Long, or Mike Howerton of AzBilliards.com was involved in any of this. Your own league players who were appalled that you cheated to benefit yourself and your team reported you. I am glad you are an active father and gainfully employed, but none of that back patting has anything to do with the move you pulled on ALL of the participants at the 2013 BCA Nationals. There were 5 or 6 teams that lost to your team ‘STINGER’S VENOM’. I am sure those players and league operators would not be too happy if they find out that probation was the consequence for falsifying stats for a player who never played one game.
Personally, saying I moved my camp to Bullshooters makes no sense and has no bearing on your actions. But I will respond since you stated it as if I have done something wrong. I currently have 30 teams in 3 divisions in my traveling league and only two teams currently call Bullshooters home. I had a max of 5 teams playing there at one time and that was the team’s captain’s choice of where to play. I have currently 3 teams playing out of Stingers on Tuesday Nights so to imply there are issues between me and the proprietor is just plain false. Dale, owner of Stingers, has been aggressively supporting pool for some time now, and I only feel terrible for him committing himself and adding tons of cash every month to his tournaments to have this drama and reputation brought on him or his establishment. PROPS to Dale!
Jerry, you referred to the team I played on as Larry’s team out of Bullshooters. FYI; I was asked to play on this Vegas team (Pool Gods) with friends I have known for years. This team is/was playing out of Tony’s Cocktail Lounge, not Bullshooters not that it makes a difference. This team asked me to take the spot of a team member of theirs that recently passed away. His name was Guy Martinez and was liked by the entire pool community here in AZ. I was not planning on playing in the team event in Vegas, but the singles and possibly scotch, however this was something I could not pass up. Another friend also felt compelled to represent Guy when asked by this team as well, that was Louie Fratini. I have known all these team members for years and was honored to play with them in remembrance (JD Wilkins, Mike Zingg, Bob Danser, Chris Shenker and Mario Aragon) of Guy. We didn’t field a team to win, only represent the Martinez family. Our team was made up of a 5, three 6’s, two 7’s, an 8 and I a 9. So to imply there were hard feelings at our loss, simply aren’t true.
As a league operator I have to answer to my players first and foremost. If I do not run a consistent, fun and honest league, they will find another league operator who will provide that. My players have many other options to choose from but choose to play in AZ Hot Shots. Most importantly I run this league with integrity Jerry.
In a city of almost 4 million people (Metro Phoenix), there is 1 APA operator, 1 TAP operator, 1 VNEA operator, 3 ACS operators including you Jerry (or are you using someone else’s name), 2 independent operators and Co-incidentally there are 8 BCA league operators. 5 of these BCA operators are running leagues within 5 square miles of each other on the side of town my league operates. I think if you were to lose the sanctioning ability your players would have many choices to continue to sanction with the BCAPL without playing in AHSPL if they chose. Or continue to play in your league as an ACS league. Arizona Hot Shots is a traveling league that has multiple divisions on multiple nights covering a large portion of Metro Phoenix. I am glad you have two arms to continue to pat your back. You run a single in house division. It is great that you can pay out 100% of the league dues. Your expenses to run your league are nothing. Maybe you can throw in the money you defrauded the teams in Vegas out of for cashing in 65th place in open teams during this next session. That would be inspiring!
I have run a league since the mid 90’s and have traveled to the BCA Nationals since 1990. Over the years as an operator I have encouraged and introduced many league players to participate in National Tournament and it is important that they are confident that all is being done to provide a fair playing field and that all players are qualified to participate. We needed our parent league organization to reach a consensus and provide a just resolution to ensure the confidence of its members. I am sorry that I do not agree their decision met the severity of the infraction, based on the Code of Ethics they employ below.
Here is the Code of Ethics that all League Operators sign off on to be a League Operator. It can be found on the PLAYBCA.COM website under leagues.
League Operator Code of Ethics
Pledge
In matters of ethics, pool league operators sanctioned by the BCA Pool League (BCAPL) are required to be dedicated to the promotion of honest, fair and competitive pool leagues, and believing that honorable competition between players and other leagues is essential to the accomplishments of our common objectives, do hereby pledge to abide by the following Code of Ethics.
Code of Ethics
•We shall not engage in illegal activity involving moral turpitude or conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation.
Falsification of stats, ding, ding, ding.
•We shall not make a material false statement, nor deliberately fail to disclose a material requested fact, in connection with an application for sanctioning with the BCAPL.
And Bingo was his Name-O
•We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
Attacking the integrity of other league operators (AZ Hot Shots) to deflect attention from your cheating.
•We shall always conduct ourselves and our league business in a fair and honest manner refraining at all times from conduct or practices that inhibit the expansion of pool leagues or that reflect discredit upon the sport, other BCAPL sanctioned (or advertised as to be sanctioned) leagues, or the BCAPL.
Discredit to the sport of billiards, the BCAPL and AZ Hot Shots Pool League – Oopsie, JERRY!
•We shall not engage in or permit any unauthorized use of the Association's name or logo or the unauthorized use of any other materials in which the BCAPL claims a proprietary interest.
Your good here though!!!
•We shall not misrepresent the existence or availability of BCAPL sanctioning for any league or player.
That’s two Jerry! You’re on a roll!
•We agree to place all prize funds on deposit with the BCA Pool League if required.
Finishing strong!
Affirmation
League Operators are bound to abide by the aforementioned Pledge and Code of Ethics as a condition of sanctioning with the BCA Pool League, subject to the review of the BCAPL. The BCAPL reserves the right to deny any applicant, as well as revoke any league sanctioning from an operator it deems, at its sole and absolute discretion, operates in an unfair or dishonest manner, inhibits the expansion of pool leagues, discredits the sport or other BCAPL sanctioned leagues, discredits the BCAPL or operates to undermine the growth of the BCAPL league system by negligent, unethical or immoral behavior.
Lastly, I was also a member of the Arizona Ratings Committee for 13 years and I agree it can be a thankless job sometimes. With my tenor in mind, I was approached by Jerry’s co-chairman of the Arizona Ratings Committee at the BCA SW Regionals for my opinion. Tres Kane was standing with me at the time as we were teammates at this event. This other chairman had been approached by several members of the committee since Vegas that planned on voting Jerry off the committee at the next meeting for conduct detrimental to the sport and the over 12,000 Arizona pool players on the ratings list that this group is honored to represent. This chairman was given a suggestion by Tres of emailing Jerry Stuckart and letting him know that this will be happening and give him a chance to respectfully resign from the committee. It is obviously no coincidence that Jerry decided to resign. Busy schedule?
LMAO
The worst part in this is the entire Arizona Pool Community and the other honest league operators as a whole will unfortunately be clouded by conduct such as this for some time. The BCAPL and other states will inevitably look upon the state as cheaters and drama due to the actions involving this incident. It would have been wise for Jerry to honorably accept the BCAPL decision graciously and continue to operate his league, but it appears he feels emboldened by the decision instead and to go on a character attack of many individuals, including myself and my league, after being caught falsifying stats. Where are the repercussions of "discrediting other BCAPL sanctioned leagues" I ask the BCAPL staff???
Pretty arrogant of Jerry Stuckart don’t you think? Are people just trying to bash Jerry Stuckart because they don’t like him? Judge for yourself, Arizonans already have.
Once again, I am sorry to have to respond to this, I never intended to become involved. I had no choice.
Respectively,
Larry Eans
Arizona Hot Shots Pool League
I run Arizona Hot Shots Pool League #0010 in Phoenix, Arizona. Though I am not involved in this mess, regretfully I have to respond to this personal attack
Jerry Stuckart.
Please don’t attempt to disparage my name and reputation to distract everyone from your actions. I have nothing to do with the position you, your league (BCA Champions League #1094), your players, your host location and the BCAPL as a whole are in right now. This issue of you fabricating stats to benefit your team at the Nationals was reported by players in your league that recognized you were cheating. THEY came forward and reported it, not I. The captain of the team that your stats showed the player in question John P. playing on even denied knowing who this guy is or ever seeing him in the poolroom ever. He never played a match for that team, though his team stats showed he played 8 weeks I was told on his team. Your players were offended and brought it forward.
Attempting to say that this is a vendetta between another league operator, bar/pool room owners, pool instructors and those in the media is absolutely asinine and just a way to distract the BCAPL and Arizona players from the fact that you defrauded just over 6000 players on a National level. This comes at a bad time for the BCAPL as the APA has recently lost all credibility last year when they failed to protect their players from a team fraudulently switching players during their event. That team went on to win their National Championship. There is a long thread on this forum regarding that mess.
I am disappointed that a comment was made online regarding Tres Kane losing respect for coming forward to report this to the BCAPL and/or repeating what Jerry was saying at the BCA SW Regionals over Labor Day about what his punishment will be even before it was announced(probation). It gives the appearance of the whistleblower being called out, and not the perpetrator. Tres’ character has never wavered over all the years I have known him and played with him. He will call a friend or an organization out it he believes they are wrong. I admire this about him. This is a time when the 6000 players at the Nationals should be re-assured this behavior will not be tolerated, instead Tres loses respect and the cheating LO gets, well, gets to keep on operating as usual. I understand all the information regarding what took place in fabricating the stats was provided by players in Jerry Stuckarts league and brought forward to the BCAPL by Tres. Neither I, AHSPL, Mike Bates of Bullshooters, Roger Long, or Mike Howerton of AzBilliards.com was involved in any of this. Your own league players who were appalled that you cheated to benefit yourself and your team reported you. I am glad you are an active father and gainfully employed, but none of that back patting has anything to do with the move you pulled on ALL of the participants at the 2013 BCA Nationals. There were 5 or 6 teams that lost to your team ‘STINGER’S VENOM’. I am sure those players and league operators would not be too happy if they find out that probation was the consequence for falsifying stats for a player who never played one game.
Personally, saying I moved my camp to Bullshooters makes no sense and has no bearing on your actions. But I will respond since you stated it as if I have done something wrong. I currently have 30 teams in 3 divisions in my traveling league and only two teams currently call Bullshooters home. I had a max of 5 teams playing there at one time and that was the team’s captain’s choice of where to play. I have currently 3 teams playing out of Stingers on Tuesday Nights so to imply there are issues between me and the proprietor is just plain false. Dale, owner of Stingers, has been aggressively supporting pool for some time now, and I only feel terrible for him committing himself and adding tons of cash every month to his tournaments to have this drama and reputation brought on him or his establishment. PROPS to Dale!
Jerry, you referred to the team I played on as Larry’s team out of Bullshooters. FYI; I was asked to play on this Vegas team (Pool Gods) with friends I have known for years. This team is/was playing out of Tony’s Cocktail Lounge, not Bullshooters not that it makes a difference. This team asked me to take the spot of a team member of theirs that recently passed away. His name was Guy Martinez and was liked by the entire pool community here in AZ. I was not planning on playing in the team event in Vegas, but the singles and possibly scotch, however this was something I could not pass up. Another friend also felt compelled to represent Guy when asked by this team as well, that was Louie Fratini. I have known all these team members for years and was honored to play with them in remembrance (JD Wilkins, Mike Zingg, Bob Danser, Chris Shenker and Mario Aragon) of Guy. We didn’t field a team to win, only represent the Martinez family. Our team was made up of a 5, three 6’s, two 7’s, an 8 and I a 9. So to imply there were hard feelings at our loss, simply aren’t true.
As a league operator I have to answer to my players first and foremost. If I do not run a consistent, fun and honest league, they will find another league operator who will provide that. My players have many other options to choose from but choose to play in AZ Hot Shots. Most importantly I run this league with integrity Jerry.
In a city of almost 4 million people (Metro Phoenix), there is 1 APA operator, 1 TAP operator, 1 VNEA operator, 3 ACS operators including you Jerry (or are you using someone else’s name), 2 independent operators and Co-incidentally there are 8 BCA league operators. 5 of these BCA operators are running leagues within 5 square miles of each other on the side of town my league operates. I think if you were to lose the sanctioning ability your players would have many choices to continue to sanction with the BCAPL without playing in AHSPL if they chose. Or continue to play in your league as an ACS league. Arizona Hot Shots is a traveling league that has multiple divisions on multiple nights covering a large portion of Metro Phoenix. I am glad you have two arms to continue to pat your back. You run a single in house division. It is great that you can pay out 100% of the league dues. Your expenses to run your league are nothing. Maybe you can throw in the money you defrauded the teams in Vegas out of for cashing in 65th place in open teams during this next session. That would be inspiring!
I have run a league since the mid 90’s and have traveled to the BCA Nationals since 1990. Over the years as an operator I have encouraged and introduced many league players to participate in National Tournament and it is important that they are confident that all is being done to provide a fair playing field and that all players are qualified to participate. We needed our parent league organization to reach a consensus and provide a just resolution to ensure the confidence of its members. I am sorry that I do not agree their decision met the severity of the infraction, based on the Code of Ethics they employ below.
Here is the Code of Ethics that all League Operators sign off on to be a League Operator. It can be found on the PLAYBCA.COM website under leagues.
League Operator Code of Ethics
Pledge
In matters of ethics, pool league operators sanctioned by the BCA Pool League (BCAPL) are required to be dedicated to the promotion of honest, fair and competitive pool leagues, and believing that honorable competition between players and other leagues is essential to the accomplishments of our common objectives, do hereby pledge to abide by the following Code of Ethics.
Code of Ethics
•We shall not engage in illegal activity involving moral turpitude or conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation.
Falsification of stats, ding, ding, ding.
•We shall not make a material false statement, nor deliberately fail to disclose a material requested fact, in connection with an application for sanctioning with the BCAPL.
And Bingo was his Name-O
•We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.
Attacking the integrity of other league operators (AZ Hot Shots) to deflect attention from your cheating.
•We shall always conduct ourselves and our league business in a fair and honest manner refraining at all times from conduct or practices that inhibit the expansion of pool leagues or that reflect discredit upon the sport, other BCAPL sanctioned (or advertised as to be sanctioned) leagues, or the BCAPL.
Discredit to the sport of billiards, the BCAPL and AZ Hot Shots Pool League – Oopsie, JERRY!
•We shall not engage in or permit any unauthorized use of the Association's name or logo or the unauthorized use of any other materials in which the BCAPL claims a proprietary interest.
Your good here though!!!
•We shall not misrepresent the existence or availability of BCAPL sanctioning for any league or player.
That’s two Jerry! You’re on a roll!
•We agree to place all prize funds on deposit with the BCA Pool League if required.
Finishing strong!
Affirmation
League Operators are bound to abide by the aforementioned Pledge and Code of Ethics as a condition of sanctioning with the BCA Pool League, subject to the review of the BCAPL. The BCAPL reserves the right to deny any applicant, as well as revoke any league sanctioning from an operator it deems, at its sole and absolute discretion, operates in an unfair or dishonest manner, inhibits the expansion of pool leagues, discredits the sport or other BCAPL sanctioned leagues, discredits the BCAPL or operates to undermine the growth of the BCAPL league system by negligent, unethical or immoral behavior.
Lastly, I was also a member of the Arizona Ratings Committee for 13 years and I agree it can be a thankless job sometimes. With my tenor in mind, I was approached by Jerry’s co-chairman of the Arizona Ratings Committee at the BCA SW Regionals for my opinion. Tres Kane was standing with me at the time as we were teammates at this event. This other chairman had been approached by several members of the committee since Vegas that planned on voting Jerry off the committee at the next meeting for conduct detrimental to the sport and the over 12,000 Arizona pool players on the ratings list that this group is honored to represent. This chairman was given a suggestion by Tres of emailing Jerry Stuckart and letting him know that this will be happening and give him a chance to respectfully resign from the committee. It is obviously no coincidence that Jerry decided to resign. Busy schedule?
LMAO
The worst part in this is the entire Arizona Pool Community and the other honest league operators as a whole will unfortunately be clouded by conduct such as this for some time. The BCAPL and other states will inevitably look upon the state as cheaters and drama due to the actions involving this incident. It would have been wise for Jerry to honorably accept the BCAPL decision graciously and continue to operate his league, but it appears he feels emboldened by the decision instead and to go on a character attack of many individuals, including myself and my league, after being caught falsifying stats. Where are the repercussions of "discrediting other BCAPL sanctioned leagues" I ask the BCAPL staff???
Pretty arrogant of Jerry Stuckart don’t you think? Are people just trying to bash Jerry Stuckart because they don’t like him? Judge for yourself, Arizonans already have.
Once again, I am sorry to have to respond to this, I never intended to become involved. I had no choice.
Respectively,
Larry Eans
Arizona Hot Shots Pool League
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