There will be blood

All league operators in Arizona will be informed via email tomorrow.

We don't feel it is proper to air our business in a public forum.

Bill Stock

mr stock.... with all due respect i would like to point out to you one of your previous posts.

back on 3/28/13 you chimed in on the " apa 9 ball team dq'ed " thread.

and i quote ..... we banned 2 players from the dq'ed apa team from bcapl for 3 years.

is that not airing your business in public ?
 
To Dundee Wizard:

I will absolutely guarantee that there is no 'golden handshake' between any of our staff and any league operator. I should take that as a swipe towards my staff - but I think I will write it off as a stupid remark.

If that is the basis of your decision - good luck. Hope you use better rationale in getting through life.

I think everyone is over reacting a little bit on the time frames. It took us a full 3-4 weeks to decompress from the Rio event - and this toipic wasn't really discussed much because we knew we would be in Arizone for the SW Regional. So, yes it took 6weeks but could not be done any faster! We were in Arizona determining the facts. We got back to the office on Tuesday Sept 3rd. We waited for Ric Jones of Bad Boys to get to the office on Wednesday and we all talked it out. Made preliminary decision on Thursday and reviewed them on Friday.

Bill was writing them up on Monday - when Tres posted on AZ Billiards. (I have no problem with Tres or anyone else posting their thoughts). We have completed the decisions and have sent out the mailings to affected parties. This is not the place to discuss our solution

And anyone that 'thinks' we are in cahoots with Jerry or anyone else can kiss my A**! We have over 500 League Operators and there will be glitches. They take time to sort out. To call us corrupt is a whole 'nother' story! (And WAY out of line)

At least we take the time to try to do it right. And we dont dodge the questions. As always, you wanna talk - call me at 702-719-7665.

BTW - I have no knowledge of the 'other' things people are discussing about Jerry. Sounds to me like Arizona has some issues. We can not address something that is completely outside our scope of responsibility. We have NO input who is on their 'ratings committee'. Some comments were made about an 'on going' problem. This is a one time problem to us since we had no knowledge about any other situations. Talk is cheap - we need facts and things must be presented within a reasonable length of time. You guys that think you have some facts - get them to us; don't hide behind a keyboard.

Remember - it you aren't part of the solution, than you might be part of the problem.

Mark Griffin

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mr stock.... With all due respect i would like to point out to you one of your previous posts.

Back on 3/28/13 you chimed in on the " apa 9 ball team dq'ed " thread.

And i quote ..... We banned 2 players from the dq'ed apa team from bcapl for 3 years.

Is that not airing your business in public ?
 
I am going to answer this one; because there have been some inaccurate statements made, I will try to point out some of the differences.

The player that was used in the nationals was a BCAPL member - he just did not have enough weeks to be fully qualified. He needed 8 weeks and he was a couple of weeks short. Just an FYI, we can and do waive players who are short on weeks if there is a legitimate reason - and it is done on a case by case method.

The players in the APA situation falsely represented themselves as being another player. that is a completely different set of facts. Those players admitted impersonating other players. That is far more blatant and pretty 'cut - n -dried'.

I do not consider barring them as 'airing your business in public'. We don't accept players that blatantly cheat. The facts in this situation do not equate to the APA player's set of facts. Our letter of disciplinary action was sent to the League Operator and the offending players. Out of respect, we also sent the letter to other League Operators in the immediate area.

I know you must be having fun trying to 'paint us all with the same brush' - but please don't try to compare apples to oranges.

Respectfully,

Mark Griffin




mr stock.... with all due respect i would like to point out to you one of your previous posts.

back on 3/28/13 you chimed in on the " apa 9 ball team dq'ed " thread.

and i quote ..... we banned 2 players from the dq'ed apa team from bcapl for 3 years.

is that not airing your business in public ?
 
Mark that isnt true john p never sub in our league at all period

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Ask john p yourself his number was provided to you by a number of people

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I think one of the larger issues to being overlooked. He cheated plain and simple. He and everyone else knows it. The worst part is as a league director he changed all the league stats to try and support his bs story. Bca rules state all players must come from the same league! The player in question NEVER played 1 week and yet still shows 14 wks of play.


http://www.azpoolscene.com/ChampionsLeague/Archive/WednesdayStandings0113.aspx

Truly it makes no difference whether he is a bca member or not, whether he was short a few weeks or not because zero weeks came from jerrys league.

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As far as whose "business" this is I would say that anyone who is a BCAPL member, who pays upwards of hundreds of dollars per a year in league dues, and who commits a lot of their personal time and money into the league has a right to expect a fair playing field and has the right to know that the rules are being followed by all of the teams who might affect their own results.

Team Taiwan from the BCAPL Open was not exactly given a nice private judgement, their supposed crimes were front and center and the judgement of action against them was made public in an official statement. That set a precedent, and now for people on this forum who are in fact invested in the BCAPL to expect some answers is entirely within reason.
 
Bill is out of the office until tomorrow. I did not personally talk to the players. Bill talked to all the parties and I believe your statement is not correct.

If you have facts then I suggest you get them to Bill and me. Responding to an unknown poster on AZ is probably not the best way to determine what actually occurred.

I am not interested in arguing with anyone. We talked to a lot of people - and much of what was being said was not factual. If there are new facts then present them to us.

Not interested in things that happened ' a few years ago' since they cannot be verified. Just talking about the situation at hand.

Mark Griffin
702-719-7665



Mark that isnt true john p never sub in our league at all period

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Well I would say for sure it is business of mine to find out this information of the ineligible, cheating team. It is also the business of my teammates who subsequently were knocked out of the Nationals in a money determining round by this team.

Our team wanted to add a second Advanced player to our team, but followed the rules stating that we could only have one.

Honest league players follow the rules. We expect the governing body to look at all statistics thoroughly when they receive an entry. It is probably only fair that since there was a deliberate violation of the rules by a team, that our team, as well as any others that were eliminated by the cheating team, should have their entry fee refunded.

I also would like to point out that the governing body should have an apologetic tone, instead of a defensive one.
 
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I really feel that the Taiwan tema was a very different situation with a lot of different issues. If we were to try and resolve all of our issues in the public forums, we would never get anything completed.

Sorry - I just disagree with you.

Everytime that we discipline a player or a LO - should that be a press release? I dont think so. Again, the Taiwan issue was very different.

Respectfully,

Mark Griffin


As far as whose "business" this is I would say that anyone who is a BCAPL member, who pays upwards of hundreds of dollars per a year in league dues, and who commits a lot of their personal time and money into the league has a right to expect a fair playing field and has the right to know that the rules are being followed by all of the teams who might affect their own results.

Team Taiwan from the BCAPL Open was not exactly given a nice private judgement, their supposed crimes were front and center and the judgement of action against them was made public in an official statement. That set a precedent, and now for people on this forum who are in fact invested in the BCAPL to expect some answers is entirely within reason.
 
I am going to answer this one; because there have been some inaccurate statements made, I will try to point out some of the differences.

The player that was used in the nationals was a BCAPL member - he just did not have enough weeks to be fully qualified. He needed 8 weeks and he was a couple of weeks short. Just an FYI, we can and do waive players who are short on weeks if there is a legitimate reason - and it is done on a case by case method.

Respectfully,

Mark Griffin

Mark -

Why set yourself up for bias?...I think that is part of the problem.

Folks don't have issues with rules, if EVERYBODY has to follow them.

Set hard and fast rules. Ensure that they are followed....case by case "stuff" is BS.

Ken
 
Here is Jerry Stuckarts response to this all. http://mypoolscene.com/BreakingNews/tabid/146/EntryId/180/To-the-Arizona-Pool-Community.aspx

To the Arizona Pool Community:

I wanted to send this press release out in response to many allegation rumors that have been swirling around the state the past few weeks. I thought it was best to wait until the BCAPL had had enough time to gather any information they needed before responding. Below you will see responses to many of the ridiculous allegations that were made by members of a competing pool room/league to the league I have created. I will also inform you all of my decision to step down as co-chair of the Arizona Rating Committee and the conversations between Bill Vanderweyst and I the past few weeks. I will not be responding to any further rhetoric on any of the social media sites.

I stepped up to become the chairman of the rating committee earlier this year to help right the ship on many of the issues that have plagued the rating system for a number of years. I honestly believe that we, as a committee, have made many strides in the right direction. It is far from perfect, but many issues have been addressed and I wish the committee luck and support as they move on without me. In a letter I wrote to Bill V. this past weekend, I noted that my plate is just too full to give the committee the attention it needs. I have a full time and part time job on top of being a single dad to two elementary school aged kids, coaching soccer, cub scouts, running the pool league and promoting pool tournaments and synergy between rooms and their tournament scheduling. I have removed myself from the committee effective immediately and have already transferred over all the files to Bill earlier this week.

Next, let’s give a little background to the one-way pool politics that have stemmed from the Bullshooter’s Camp, which is not limited to Tres Kane (who lives there, has his own table, runs tournaments, etc.), Roger Long (who owns the pool repair shop inside Bullshooter’s, cleans the tables, gives lessons, etc.), Larry Eans (who runs the AZ Hot Shots League and moved his headquarters to Bullshooter’s after his bar the Northern Lounge closed), the Owner and his ongoing spat with the Owner of Stinger’s Bar, Mike Howerton (runs azbilliards.com, local newspaper that competes with AZPoolScene, longtime Bullshooter’s and Hot shots supporter), etc. etc.

Roger Long has made some pretty outlandish comments about me personally and has continued to make up and lie about a situation from 2009 (4 years ago). In my league system, every single session, the first night of play a packet of rules is handed out to the captains of each team. In these rules it states on how subs can be used any week of the season until the final 4 weeks of play. On those final 4 weeks, you are not allowed to bring in any new players to the league. You can use anyone that has already played for the league this session, regardless of which team they subbed for. On the last night of play, position night, my team was set to play his team to decide between 2nd and 3rd place. One of our players was off playing in a pro tournament that she had qualified for so we needed a sub. Steve Blackburn had been identified as having played 9 weeks in the league in an 18 week session. Steve is the same rating as the person he was replacing, which has no effect in this handicapped system. In Leaguesys, once a player has played on a team the first time, it shows all of their statistics for the season under every team they played on. He finished with 10 weeks of play, but only played 1 on my team. My team won the match 13-10 to secure 2nd place. Earlier in the day Roger’s team had posted friendly banter on social media about the match and we had friendly smack talk back. After the win, there was a follow up social media post about the victory. Roger’s team protested the match and continues to say that I somehow changed online records. Steve did play in the league; the rules have never been posted online and only existed in hard copy and were handed out before the league. There was no illegal player on any team, the league agreed and the ruling made. He has continued to slam me and my league for 4 years because of his bitterness in the situation. This is the same Roger Long that petitioned the rating committee years ago to be raised to a 10 rated player, with the only supporting evidence being that as a 10 he would have more credibility to give pool lessons, aka benefit financially. He also illegally copied the entire Arizona Rating List of players and created a website that was unauthorized by the Committee that listed these players, but with one difference. Roger took it solely on himself to adjust players up and down on a daily/weekly basis depending on how he thought they were playing that week. He is currently not on the Arizona Ratings Sheet because he petitioned for the committee to remove him and wouldn’t be supporting Arizona Rated handicap tournaments in the State.

Larry Eans is the owner of the AZ Hot Shots league. We are direct competitors in the same area where many players call home. His league could benefit greatly and Bullshooters beneficially if my league would not be allowed to exist. Although many players would choose not to play in a league that takes so much of the players money, whereas my league pays out 100% of the players money every season and has done so for 9 seasons.

Mike Howerton has claimed that I had playoff matches added to my total but not to other people, which is a complete lie. If anyone uses Leaguesys, you will know that all matches need to be scheduled. In my league a playoff only happens if 2 teams are tied AFTER all scheduled league matches are played. Zero stat’s are entered for those matches and it’s only used to decide with place each team gets. In addition, I just triple checked all 9 seasons and I have never been the top shooter in my league. I did finish runner up to Mike Williams in the Fall 2012 season by a couple wins. None of my team members ever left Vegas to go home early as Mike states and John Smith has never filled in for anyone’s teams. Where do you guys come up with this crap? Mike also stated online: “On a personal note, I played a season together with Jerry on a team a few years back and none of this stuff was going on back then. In the past couple of years though, Jerry seems to have developed a reputation as someone who will bend the rules if it is for his own advantage. As he has taken on more of a role in the local pool scene (league operator, tournament director, president of the ratings committee), his reputation for shenanigans has grown.” My reputation has grown based on the pool politics and rumors spread from this camp. I run the league and pay out 100% of players monies to have the most competitive league in the state. I headed up the rating committee to help guide Arizona Pool and make it possible for more tournaments to run fair pool tournaments in the state. These are thankless positions and are done for the pool community because I love this game and want to see it grow. It’s very sad that as a Journalist, Mike, along with everyone else throwing stones, that you didn’t ask me one single question about any of the accusations you had built up and just talked behind my back. You had plenty of time to do so.

I know that Tres has a reputation for being very fair and I would agree with that in the most part. With that said, it’s puzzling to me that he would post up a thread about something he had no facts about and even noted several times that “this is what I heard from friends”. These same friends that have opposed my league and have publicly bashed me and Stinger’s for way too long. There are many incorrect statements in his out of line post, including that my team had beaten another of my in-house teams. The brackets are on ctsondemand for anyone to check (Stinger’s Venom). The only Arizona Team that my team did play against was none other than Larry Eans’ team and they play out of Bullshooter’s. No records were forged for ill intent and statistics were input the same week they were played. I also have text message correspondence between Tres and Myself and also between Bobby and Myself, from May 28th to see if he wanted to form an Advanced Team with Tres Kane, Bobby Emmons, Nick De Leon and Myself. In which Tres declined and said he would no longer participate in Team play.

“There will be blood?” – Tres Kane

I would suggest in the future that it’s probably not the smartest move to write on a public forum that what you are about to rant on about is going to lead to Violence against another person.



As far as the situation with the unqualified player playing in Vegas, there were mistakes made and I completely owned up to them in my letter to the BCAPL weeks ago. In numerous discussions we have come to solutions to rectify the issues and move forward with better record keeping. I’m sorry that this player was not qualified with the minimum number of weeks required to play at nationals, it will never happen again. The BCA Champions League will continue to move forward and field the toughest competition in the State, and also continue to pay out 100% of the player dues to the players every season. I have worked extremely hard to make this the best league for the Players the past 9 seasons and will continue to work for the players. Although I disagree with the BCAPL’s ruling as to my eligibility to compete individually in future events, we know exactly how they got to those decisions, and I will respect their decision. I will continue to grow and learn personally and strive to be the better person in every situation.



Jerry Stuckart

AZPoolScene@hotmail.com
 
I responded to this crap on Facebook, but I will paste it here too...

You can't use leaguesys as proof that you didn't add your wins to your season totals, when you don't use leaguesys. If you did use leaguesys, then sone of these problems would have come to light because last names would have been on the standings.

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Maybe you consider azpoolscene as competition to the paper, but I don't. I didn't consider it competition when Ron first put it online and I don't consider it competition now. Do you go out and cover events in other rooms on weekends? No, you don't. You cover your own events. That is not competition as far as covering pool in the valley.

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Jerry, it is MUCH more than just the Bullshooters camp that has taken note of your activities in the past couple years. It roughly started about the time you won the state championship and Ron gave you his website. I was not part of the "Bullshooters Camp" then and to be honest, I am not part of it now. I don't play league out of there, I played for a team at SW Regional from another room and will most likely play my next season for another room.

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Look, what I am the most interested in is INTEGRITY in the pool world. Both local and national. What you did in Vegas this year lacked integrity. You have done other things in the past that have lacked integrity and we all know about it. Someone who is supposed to be taking a leadership role in any situation, has to make absolutely sure that they are honest in everything they do. You didn't and you got caught. Trying to spin it that it was the fault of bookkeeping or makeup matches or anything else is just smoke and mirrors. You got caught.

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I have been approached by MANY people, even at Stingers, who want your head on a platter. They are tired of seeing you abuse whatever position you have. These are players that support Stingers and would definitely be considered part of the "Stingers Camp".

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I will give you one thing though. You have accomplished bringing the local pool scene together more than I have seen in many years. They are all together on the side of wanting you to stop doing what you are doing.

Mike
 
I would assume it would be fairly easy to determine if John P. played in this league or not. It is a large league, so I know there are plenty of people to ask. I played as a sub a few weeks myself and went to watch several other times and never saw him. I personally don't know if he played at all, but it sure sounds like he didn't. If that's the case then it is a rather clear violation and it sounds like more punishments and possible refunds to opponents affected should be put in motion. Just my opinion.
 
Here is Jerry Stuckarts response to this all. http://mypoolscene.com/BreakingNews/tabid/146/EntryId/180/To-the-Arizona-Pool-Community.aspx

To the Arizona Pool Community:

Next, let’s give a little background to the one-way pool politics that have stemmed from the Bullshooter’s Camp, which is not limited to Tres Kane (who lives there, has his own table, runs tournaments, etc.), Roger Long (who owns the pool repair shop inside Bullshooter’s, cleans the tables, gives lessons, etc.), Larry Eans (who runs the AZ Hot Shots League and moved his headquarters to Bullshooter’s after his bar the Northern Lounge closed), the Owner and his ongoing spat with the Owner of Stinger’s Bar, Mike Howerton (runs azbilliards.com, local newspaper that competes with AZPoolScene, longtime Bullshooter’s and Hot shots supporter), etc. etc.

Roger Long has made some pretty outlandish comments about me personally and has continued to make up and lie about a situation from 2009 (4 years ago). In my league system, every single session, the first night of play a packet of rules is handed out to the captains of each team. In these rules it states on how subs can be used any week of the season until the final 4 weeks of play. On those final 4 weeks, you are not allowed to bring in any new players to the league. You can use anyone that has already played for the league this session, regardless of which team they subbed for. On the last night of play, position night, my team was set to play his team to decide between 2nd and 3rd place. One of our players was off playing in a pro tournament that she had qualified for so we needed a sub. Steve Blackburn had been identified as having played 9 weeks in the league in an 18 week session. Steve is the same rating as the person he was replacing, which has no effect in this handicapped system. In Leaguesys, once a player has played on a team the first time, it shows all of their statistics for the season under every team they played on. He finished with 10 weeks of play, but only played 1 on my team. My team won the match 13-10 to secure 2nd place. Earlier in the day Roger’s team had posted friendly banter on social media about the match and we had friendly smack talk back. After the win, there was a follow up social media post about the victory. Roger’s team protested the match and continues to say that I somehow changed online records. Steve did play in the league; the rules have never been posted online and only existed in hard copy and were handed out before the league. There was no illegal player on any team, the league agreed and the ruling made. He has continued to slam me and my league for 4 years because of his bitterness in the situation. This is the same Roger Long that petitioned the rating committee years ago to be raised to a 10 rated player, with the only supporting evidence being that as a 10 he would have more credibility to give pool lessons, aka benefit financially. He also illegally copied the entire Arizona Rating List of players and created a website that was unauthorized by the Committee that listed these players, but with one difference. Roger took it solely on himself to adjust players up and down on a daily/weekly basis depending on how he thought they were playing that week. He is currently not on the Arizona Ratings Sheet because he petitioned for the committee to remove him and wouldn’t be supporting Arizona Rated handicap tournaments in the State.


Jerry Stuckart

AZPoolScene@hotmail.com

I would like to address the charges that Jerry Stuckart leveled against me in his long-winded diatribe.

Concerning my rating: I lived here in Arizona from 1974 until 1986, at which time I moved to Florida and resided there for 8 years, and then returned to AZ in 1994. Prior to my moving to FL, there was no rating system at all in AZ, but upon returning, I found the "system" to be in full force, whereupon I thought I would like to jump into some tournaments. Since I had owned a pool room in FL in which I had run tournaments, operated leagues, and had the opportunity to meet and compete against some of the top players in the country, I thought I knew something about my own game. After watching a lot of the AZ players compete, I decided I would most likely fit in as a 9, this being on a scale of 4 to 12 (they call it 10-2 here). My first tournament was a 14.1 event in which the TD made me play at the highest rating since I was an unknown. That means I would have had to spot the best player in the tournament (Terry Osborne) 10 balls in a race to 100, if we had drawn each other. That didn't bother me, as I knew I had to pay my dues in order to get an "official" rating. Thankfully, I didn't have to play Terry, but I didn't do too badly by being in the seventies when the two 7-rated players I drew reached their limit of 50 balls. With this as confirmation (to me, anyway) that I should probably be rated 9, I was surprised when I went back to that same place for a 9-ball tournament, and the owner had me rated as a 7. Things became a little more clear when that same owner bought me in the Calcutta (that's when they were still running calcuttas here). I quickly saw how rating players low, and then buying them in calcuttas, might be pretty profitable. Later, when I went to protest my low rating, I found out that the owner who had given me the rating was also the chairman of the ratings committee. Over lunch, I explained to that gentleman that I didn't want to cause any trouble with other players, therefore, I would like to have my rating raised. When he asked, "to what?" I told him that I thought 9 would be a safe rating for all involved. He then told me that I would have to prove myself before he could jump me two levels. I said, "Okay, but I won't do it in your room."

My next tournament was a 9-ball event in a much larger room than my first experience. After watching me play for a while, the TD there assumed that I was a 9, so that's what he put down on the sign-up sheet. I then told him I would like to play as a 10 just to see how I could do. He agreed, and so I ended up winning that tournament, beating that TD (who was a 9-rated player) in the finals while giving him a spot. I then told the TD how the ratings chairman had "officially" rated me as a 7, to which he was not only shocked, but said he was going to get me raised at the next ratings meeting. He did, but only to an 8. That's when my distaste for "Arizona Ratings" began as I felt like the whole system was messed up. I eventually gave up trying to get an honest rating out of the committee, and ended up writing a letter to the then-chairman and asked him to remove my name from the rating list, giving him the excuse that it could potentially hurt my lesson business. But at no time, did I ever ask to be put on the sheet as a ten.

Concerning my ratings list: While working at Pappy's Sports Bar, I started my own rating list. My list was used only for players playing in Pappy's tournaments. I did use the same rating scale that was in effect everywhere else, but I built my list one player at a time, until I had around 2000 names on it; a far cry from the 12,000-name list that Jerry Stuckart has now twice claimed on these forums that I "stole" from the Arizona Ratings Committee.

Concerning the 2009 playoff match: Jerry mentioned that his 9-rated player was off playing in a pro tournament, which was his "reason" for using a 9-rated "house sub", but he never has explained where his 6-rated regular player was that night. And that "house sub" he used had not been listed as a house sub all season, but instead had played several weeks for another team and was listed as one of their regular players. But the next day, I checked the online standings and to my surprise, I found that the player in question was now prominently listed as a house sub. It's strange how I had missed that all season.

Jerry Stuckart may well have put it in his written rules that a "house sub" could be used the way he ended up using one, but that rule wasn't anything that caught my team's attention during the course of the season. We played in a way that we considered proper: we made sure we had plenty of players, and we listed them all as regulars. And we didn't expect any other team - let alone the LO's - to be putting moves on the other teams. But whether or not we were technically cheated, we sure felt like we were fundamentally cheated.

Now for a little personal background on Jerry Stuckart and I: Before the 2009 incident, Jerry was holding a benefit tournament for someone, and he was asking for product donations that he could raffle off to raise money. I donated two brand new cues with a combined value of around $300. During the start of the tournament, Jerry publicly thanked all of the donors by name...except for me. (That's alright, Jerry, you're welcome, anyway.)

And one night during the season I played in Jerry's league, his two little children were in the pool room trying to play pool with full sized house cues. I thought they were cute, and that they needed there own cues, so I built them each their own cue and delivered them to Jerry on league night the following week. Somehow, he's never been able to say thank you for that, either. (That's alright, Jerry, you're welcome, anyway.)

I wasn't in Vegas this year, so I don't personally know what happened there. All I know is, nothing Jerry Stuckart says or does surprises my anymore.

Roger Long
 
If Mike Howerton says you're a liar,

Here is Jerry Stuckarts response to this all. http://mypoolscene.com/BreakingNews/tabid/146/EntryId/180/To-the-Arizona-Pool-Community.aspx

To the Arizona Pool Community:

I wanted to send this press release out in response to many allegation rumors that have been swirling around the state the past few weeks. I thought it was best to wait until the BCAPL had had enough time to gather any information they needed before responding. Below you will see responses to many of the ridiculous allegations that were made by members of a competing pool room/league to the league I have created. I will also inform you all of my decision to step down as co-chair of the Arizona Rating Committee and the conversations between Bill Vanderweyst and I the past few weeks. I will not be responding to any further rhetoric on any of the social media sites.

I stepped up to become the chairman of the rating committee earlier this year to help right the ship on many of the issues that have plagued the rating system for a number of years. I honestly believe that we, as a committee, have made many strides in the right direction. It is far from perfect, but many issues have been addressed and I wish the committee luck and support as they move on without me. In a letter I wrote to Bill V. this past weekend, I noted that my plate is just too full to give the committee the attention it needs. I have a full time and part time job on top of being a single dad to two elementary school aged kids, coaching soccer, cub scouts, running the pool league and promoting pool tournaments and synergy between rooms and their tournament scheduling. I have removed myself from the committee effective immediately and have already transferred over all the files to Bill earlier this week.

Next, let’s give a little background to the one-way pool politics that have stemmed from the Bullshooter’s Camp, which is not limited to Tres Kane (who lives there, has his own table, runs tournaments, etc.), Roger Long (who owns the pool repair shop inside Bullshooter’s, cleans the tables, gives lessons, etc.), Larry Eans (who runs the AZ Hot Shots League and moved his headquarters to Bullshooter’s after his bar the Northern Lounge closed), the Owner and his ongoing spat with the Owner of Stinger’s Bar, Mike Howerton (runs azbilliards.com, local newspaper that competes with AZPoolScene, longtime Bullshooter’s and Hot shots supporter), etc. etc.

Roger Long has made some pretty outlandish comments about me personally and has continued to make up and lie about a situation from 2009 (4 years ago). In my league system, every single session, the first night of play a packet of rules is handed out to the captains of each team. In these rules it states on how subs can be used any week of the season until the final 4 weeks of play. On those final 4 weeks, you are not allowed to bring in any new players to the league. You can use anyone that has already played for the league this session, regardless of which team they subbed for. On the last night of play, position night, my team was set to play his team to decide between 2nd and 3rd place. One of our players was off playing in a pro tournament that she had qualified for so we needed a sub. Steve Blackburn had been identified as having played 9 weeks in the league in an 18 week session. Steve is the same rating as the person he was replacing, which has no effect in this handicapped system. In Leaguesys, once a player has played on a team the first time, it shows all of their statistics for the season under every team they played on. He finished with 10 weeks of play, but only played 1 on my team. My team won the match 13-10 to secure 2nd place. Earlier in the day Roger’s team had posted friendly banter on social media about the match and we had friendly smack talk back. After the win, there was a follow up social media post about the victory. Roger’s team protested the match and continues to say that I somehow changed online records. Steve did play in the league; the rules have never been posted online and only existed in hard copy and were handed out before the league. There was no illegal player on any team, the league agreed and the ruling made. He has continued to slam me and my league for 4 years because of his bitterness in the situation. This is the same Roger Long that petitioned the rating committee years ago to be raised to a 10 rated player, with the only supporting evidence being that as a 10 he would have more credibility to give pool lessons, aka benefit financially. He also illegally copied the entire Arizona Rating List of players and created a website that was unauthorized by the Committee that listed these players, but with one difference. Roger took it solely on himself to adjust players up and down on a daily/weekly basis depending on how he thought they were playing that week. He is currently not on the Arizona Ratings Sheet because he petitioned for the committee to remove him and wouldn’t be supporting Arizona Rated handicap tournaments in the State.

Larry Eans is the owner of the AZ Hot Shots league. We are direct competitors in the same area where many players call home. His league could benefit greatly and Bullshooters beneficially if my league would not be allowed to exist. Although many players would choose not to play in a league that takes so much of the players money, whereas my league pays out 100% of the players money every season and has done so for 9 seasons.

Mike Howerton has claimed that I had playoff matches added to my total but not to other people, which is a complete lie. If anyone uses Leaguesys, you will know that all matches need to be scheduled. In my league a playoff only happens if 2 teams are tied AFTER all scheduled league matches are played. Zero stat’s are entered for those matches and it’s only used to decide with place each team gets. In addition, I just triple checked all 9 seasons and I have never been the top shooter in my league. I did finish runner up to Mike Williams in the Fall 2012 season by a couple wins. None of my team members ever left Vegas to go home early as Mike states and John Smith has never filled in for anyone’s teams. Where do you guys come up with this crap? Mike also stated online: “On a personal note, I played a season together with Jerry on a team a few years back and none of this stuff was going on back then. In the past couple of years though, Jerry seems to have developed a reputation as someone who will bend the rules if it is for his own advantage. As he has taken on more of a role in the local pool scene (league operator, tournament director, president of the ratings committee), his reputation for shenanigans has grown.” My reputation has grown based on the pool politics and rumors spread from this camp. I run the league and pay out 100% of players monies to have the most competitive league in the state. I headed up the rating committee to help guide Arizona Pool and make it possible for more tournaments to run fair pool tournaments in the state. These are thankless positions and are done for the pool community because I love this game and want to see it grow. It’s very sad that as a Journalist, Mike, along with everyone else throwing stones, that you didn’t ask me one single question about any of the accusations you had built up and just talked behind my back. You had plenty of time to do so.

I know that Tres has a reputation for being very fair and I would agree with that in the most part. With that said, it’s puzzling to me that he would post up a thread about something he had no facts about and even noted several times that “this is what I heard from friends”. These same friends that have opposed my league and have publicly bashed me and Stinger’s for way too long. There are many incorrect statements in his out of line post, including that my team had beaten another of my in-house teams. The brackets are on ctsondemand for anyone to check (Stinger’s Venom). The only Arizona Team that my team did play against was none other than Larry Eans’ team and they play out of Bullshooter’s. No records were forged for ill intent and statistics were input the same week they were played. I also have text message correspondence between Tres and Myself and also between Bobby and Myself, from May 28th to see if he wanted to form an Advanced Team with Tres Kane, Bobby Emmons, Nick De Leon and Myself. In which Tres declined and said he would no longer participate in Team play.

“There will be blood?” – Tres Kane

I would suggest in the future that it’s probably not the smartest move to write on a public forum that what you are about to rant on about is going to lead to Violence against another person.



As far as the situation with the unqualified player playing in Vegas, there were mistakes made and I completely owned up to them in my letter to the BCAPL weeks ago. In numerous discussions we have come to solutions to rectify the issues and move forward with better record keeping. I’m sorry that this player was not qualified with the minimum number of weeks required to play at nationals, it will never happen again. The BCA Champions League will continue to move forward and field the toughest competition in the State, and also continue to pay out 100% of the player dues to the players every season. I have worked extremely hard to make this the best league for the Players the past 9 seasons and will continue to work for the players. Although I disagree with the BCAPL’s ruling as to my eligibility to compete individually in future events, we know exactly how they got to those decisions, and I will respect their decision. I will continue to grow and learn personally and strive to be the better person in every situation.



Jerry Stuckart

AZPoolScene@hotmail.com


Then guess what? You're a liar.
 
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