well at least he is not as grossly underrrated as he was before. :grin-square:
i am not suprised my 8 was raised, but after a loss?
wanna know how to out a sandbagger ?
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well at least he is not as grossly underrrated as he was before. :grin-square:
i am not suprised my 8 was raised, but after a loss?
hard to take anything you post serious with that avatar. Is the Object Ball in the fridge?
BCA has stronger players.
I agree that APA 5's tend to have a hard time in BCA. Many of the local players that start out in APA migrate to BCA over time. Not being able to learn anything may have been a bit too much, however I've seen many players flourish in BSA after a few rough sessions. Being a 7/9 you should realize that stronger completion molds stronger players. Playing APA gives me the opportunity to shoot pool one more night a week, plus I enjoy the team I am on. BCA masters league tends to have the strongest competition overall in my personal experience.
I agree that APA 5's tend to have a hard time in BCA. Many of the local players that start out in APA migrate to BCA over time. Not being able to learn anything may have been a bit too much, however I've seen many players flourish in BSA after a few rough sessions. Being a 7/9 you should realize that stronger completion molds stronger players. Playing APA gives me the opportunity to shoot pool one more night a week, plus I enjoy the team I am on. BCA masters league tends to have the strongest competition overall in my personal experience.
I never understood what's wrong with playing by the rules to one's advantage.
Jeff Livingston
haha, you crafty chefjeff. Nice try.
They didn't forget to explicitly forbid sandbagging in the rulebook.
From the APA Team Manual:
The second category is intentionally missed shots for the purpose of manipulating
one’s handicap, also referred to as sandbagging. Players of all levels of skill who
learn to recognize this unethical conduct can make it much more difficult for a
player to unfairly manipulate his handicap.
[...]
Please report sandbagging to your League Operator or Division Representative,
who in turn may contact other Team Captains to help determine the validity of
the complaint. All sandbagging complaints must be made in writing for
documentation purposes. This information will allow Local Management to
make an accurate determination as to whether a player is trying to hold his skill
level down. Teams or individuals guilty of conspiring to manipulate the system by
counting innings, coaching their players to miss shots or lose games, or
attempting any other dishonest practice as determined by Local League
Management, will be penalized. If a player does not wish to compete fairly in
our handicap League, his membership is in jeopardy.
How funny are these statements???
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Maniac
Lol....that contradiction certainly doesn't help. Which "rules" to follow, then, the sandbagging or the handicapping?
I asked the LO for the handicapping formula. She handed me the "rule" book. I looked up the formula and it said to ask the LO !! That's the day I quit that league.
Have at it, boys....the chronic sandbaggin in apa thingy, What fun! NOT.
Jeff Livingston
At one time the "handicapping" formula was posted on the internet.
I have a copy of it somewhere but it has been taken down, the last time I tried to find it.
Ken
Yet, that formula is simply discarded when someone is accused (usually by the Person he just beat) of sandbagging and the apa's emotional/LO formula takes over. As was said to me, "Someone saw you at Fast Eddies shooting in a tournament last weekend and you're much better than a 4 so I raised you to a 6."
The best way to kill sandbagging is a real math formula that makes it moot or destructive to the sandbagger himself. I don't see how the APA (the best recruiters BY FAR in the business) needs a handicapping formula that is so bad it can't published in the open without causing more problems than it solves.
Jeff Livingston
let me clarify a few things.
1. i am not a person who cries sandbagger every time i lose or in this case my teamate loses to a lower handicap.
2. i am well aware " EVERY BODY " has good days and bad days. i am a prime example of that.
3. more than once on here i have said i dont see much evidence of sandbagging in my area.
as for proof ? let me tell you why this thread was started .
i 1st met player when i joined a bcapl team 8 years ago that he was on. he was a lot better player than i was back then. yea i have improved so=ince then, but so has he.
after playing with him for a year i quit pool for 3 years , he continued during those 3 years and moved to apa during that time when bcapl folded.
when i started back playing pool i joined apa and started playing against him and was suprised he was only a 4 while i rose up to a 5 rather quickly and was a 6 for 1 session before coming back down to a 5 for mainly disability issues i have incurred.
during the last 3 years i have faced him several times during league and also a few weekly non handicapped tournaments. i know what he is capable of.
the last time we faced him i overheard him tell a teamate he staya a 4 by running up innings and never beats a higher handicapped player than he is.
when we faced his team this time and it was obvious to me he was laying low i tiold him what i thought when he was standing close to me while my teamate was shooting.
remember he only made 10 points in 7 innings up to that point. when my teamate missed after i told him he was getting embarassed he went to the table and scored 21 straight points winning the match.
in my opinion it proved he was sandbagging, it may not be yours.
it definitly proved he is capable of playing at a higher level than he was showing in the 1st 7 innings of that match.
and as i stated in my last post in this thread, he did not stay a 4 after that match. i think that proves my point also.
Where do you think you see a contradiction?
You have rules about playing (break behind the line, fouls = ball in hand, etc.) and you must follow them.
You have rules about sandbagging (don't do it or we kick you out) and you must follow them.
There's no "which" rules to follow. Play by the rules. All of them.
They're spelled out in black and white.
And if something isn't spelled out in black and white, people of good character
will try to play within the 'spirit' of the rules and fair competition.
People of poor character will try to find an interpretation that allows them
to effectively cheat and wreck the system.
Love2ShootPool
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Regardless, knowing the APA, he will remain a 4
Those are not spelled out anywhere that the LO led me to, as I posted.
But that's ok with me, as I don't play apa anymore because of that.
You all have fun and good luck,
Jeff Livingston
Lorider already reported that he went up to a 5 the following week.....