To the pool playing community and Mr Barry Hearn

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NYC cue dude

Banned
I was emotional last night when I criticized Barry and Matchroom. Whatever their reasons for overlooking Thorsten will have to suffice. I may not agree with their methodology, but I should not have made my grievances public. For that I apologize. I certainly recognize that Matchroom has done a lot for the players over the years.

Sincerely,
Randy G
 
Barry Hearn and Matchroom have done a lot for there own pockets. Unfortunately not all benefit from their actions.
 
xplor said:
Barry Hearn and Matchroom have done a lot for there own pockets. Unfortunately not all benefit from their actions.
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Are they not entitled to make a living?

Match room are not the governing body for pool, they are promotors. It is for your governing body the BCA to provide for you. Matchroom promote events. They mostly promote their own events and they are without doubt the best pool promotors in the world...
 
Thorsten isn't a draw.

No matter how good someone is at pool, if they don't draw than they get left off.

You need to put butts into seats and if a player isn't a draw than he's left out.
 
NYC cue dude said:
I was emotional last night when I criticized Barry and Matchroom. Whatever their reasons for overlooking Thorsten will have to suffice. I may not agree with their methodology, but I should not have made my grievances public. For that I apologize. I certainly recognize that Matchroom has done a lot for the players over the years.

Sincerely,
Randy G
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That was very gracious of you to extend an apology for acting in the moment because of a strong emotion.:smile:

Lord knows, we have all done that on this forum in the past. :embarrassed2:

Good for you! :angel2:
 
NYC cue dude said:
I was emotional last night when I criticized Barry and Matchroom. Whatever their reasons for overlooking Thorsten will have to suffice. I may not agree with their methodology, but I should not have made my grievances public. For that I apologize. I certainly recognize that Matchroom has done a lot for the players over the years.

Sincerely,
Randy G
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Classy post, Randy. Truth is that we all get exasperated from time to time by the actions of pool's producers and planners.

In the end, though, ours is a sport on which only a few dare to roll the financial dice. Barry Hearn is one of them and he adds an innovative touch to the events he creates and maintains. In America, there are few people who are creating new events, but in 2013, Badi Nazhat created the WPA sanctioned Ultimate 10-ball event, Mark Griffin created the US Open 8-ball Championship, and perhaps others that don't come to mind also created new events on American soil. Guys like Barry, Mark and Badi deserve our respect and gratitude.

Matchroom Sports is a very positive force in pool and if their participation criteria sometimes befuddle us, we can openly debate their player selection methodology among ourselves, but once their events begin, it's best to let it go and cheer for our favorite participants.

Hope all's well, Randy.

Your friend, Stu
 
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sjm said:
Classy post, Randy. Truth is that we all get exasperated from time to time by the actions of pool's producers and planners.

In the end, though, ours is a sport on which only a few dare to roll the financial dice. Barry Hearn is one of them and he adds an innovative touch to the events he creates and maintains. In America, there are few people who are creating new events, but in 2013, Badi Nazhat created the WPA sanctioned Ultimate 10-ball event, Mark Griffin created the US Open 8-ball Championship, and perhaps others that don't come to mind also created new events on American soil this year. Guys like Barry, Mark and Badi deserve our respect and gratitude.

Matchroom Sports is a very positive force in pool and if their participation criteria sometimes befuddle us, we can openly debate their player selection methodology among ourselves, but once their events begin, it's best to let it go and cheer for your favorite participants.

Hope all's well, Randy.

Your friend, Stu
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I fully endorse said quoted post by Stu. :thumbup:

Barry has my support in this snake pit of an industry.
 
dom_poppa said:
Thorsten isn't a draw.

No matter how good someone is at pool, if they don't draw than they get left off.

You need to put butts into seats and if a player isn't a draw than he's left out.
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But, WHO decides who is a DRAW and who is not? Also, how are WE to know that the assessment is an ACCURATE one????

For this reason stated above, TRANSPARANCY and utilizing a ranking system based on performance is essential!!!

It is very hard for a guy like Toastie or anyone who plays at this level NOT to take the snub personally when MATCHROOM deviates from its stated guidelines! Then comes on the AIR claiming it is presenting the "BEST PLAYERS FROM BOTH CONTINENTS" a BOLD face lie!!!

Toastie will speak publicly with people about his occupation and when he says he is the #1 rank player in the world and gets questions regarding the legitimacy of that statement because they did not see him on the "Mosconi Cup"!!!! What does he say?????

This is the problem!!!

You sell a product and a performance. People go to the ballet and circus to SEE the performance they have NO idea who the lion tamer is and don't care! The same thing with pool! All those people that claim they need a headliner are delusional! Karl Boyes put less butts in the seats then Toastie and that is my opinion! But, Toastie sits and Karl Boyes gets PAID!!!

Diluting the European team because team USA refuses to honor using the ranking system for various reasons is crazy if that is what happened here? Like most things in life it ain't what you know but who you know that puts money in your pocket!!!

NYC Dude i understand your frustration! With this audience you are sure to get an ear full despite the injustice of the situation. I am certain this post was to subdue some of the outrage from your previous public post. Some times it easier to join the crowd then stand alone!

KD
 
Kid Dynomite said:
But, WHO decides who is a DRAW and who is not? Also, how are WE to know that the assessment is an ACCURATE one????
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matchroom... Ratings

For this reason stated above, TRANSPARANCY and utilizing a ranking system based on performance is essential!!!
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If you were paying for and hosting a party ... Would you want to make the invites or have someone else choose...

It is very hard for a guy like Toastie or anyone who plays at this level NOT to take the snub personally when MATCHROOM deviates from its stated guidelines! Then comes on the AIR claiming it is presenting the "BEST PLAYERS FROM BOTH CONTINENTS" a BOLD face lie!!!

Toastie will speak publicly with people about his occupation and when he says he is the #1 rank player in the world and gets questions regarding the legitimacy of that statement because they did not see him on the "Mosconi Cup"!!!! What does he say?????

This is the problem!!!

You sell a product and a performance. People go to the ballet and circus to SEE the performance they have NO idea who the lion tamer is and don't care! The same thing with pool! All those people that claim they need a headliner are delusional! Karl Boyes put less butts in the seats then Toastie and that is my opinion! But, Toastie sits and Karl Boyes gets PAID!!!

Diluting the European team because team USA refuses to honor using the ranking system for various reasons is crazy if that is what happened here? Like most things in life it ain't what you know but who you know that puts money in your pocket!!!

NYC Dude i understand your frustration! With this audience you are sure to get an ear full despite the injustice of the situation. I am certain this post was to subdue some of the outrage from your previous public post. Some times it easier to join the crowd then stand alone!

KD
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The rest of this must have been posted whilst sniffing glue
 
voiceofreason said:
matchroom... Ratings



If you were paying for and hosting a party ... Would you want to make the invites or have someone else choose...


The rest of this must have been posted whilst sniffing glue
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The INSULTS have been known to garner BANISHMENT in these parts. So, i would tread lightly! It is OBVIOUS you are from ENGLAND and part of Matchroom in some shape form or fashion. Sorry, that my post and thoughts on the situation struck a nerve with YOU!

If my post is not valid and my points erroneous then counter them! The name calling does absolutely NOTHING to strengthen your argument or persuade readers otherwise.

Kd
 
voiceofreason said:
"Toastie" hit form after the teams were selected. Unlucky for him.
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You miss the WHOLE point! NOT unlucky Toastie! Unlucky fans and Matchroom! Why unlucky Matchroom??? Because it shows the company and organization in a NEGATIVE light. The fans have no CHOICE in this situation other then suffer through a SUBPAR product! Picking teams the year prior has NEVER been the policy! They rolled the dice and came up SNAKE EYES stacking the deck for some of their members that can't cut the mustard anymore, when choosing teams! Now, they look bad not having the NUMBER 1# ranked player involved!

The saddest part of the whole thing is that Matchroom does not look at the BACKGROUNDS of the players it promotes. Toastie is the EPITOME of class given his stance on GAMBLING, DRINKING, SMOKING and his lack of a CRIMINAL RECORD! But, hey that does not matter??? To someone with kids that grew up around the sport, role models are too few and far between. Toastie is a good ROLE MODEL for the sport and behaves accordingly! Much more than I can say about other mosconi cup selected members. But, he gets the Cinderella treatment and the wicked stepsisters go to the ball!

Wow, Just wow!

KD
 
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Kid Dynomite said:
But, WHO decides who is a DRAW and who is not? Also, how are WE to know that the assessment is an ACCURATE one????

For this reason stated above, TRANSPARANCY and utilizing a ranking system based on performance is essential!!!

It is very hard for a guy like Toastie or anyone who plays at this level NOT to take the snub personally when MATCHROOM deviates from its stated guidelines! Then comes on the AIR claiming it is presenting the "BEST PLAYERS FROM BOTH CONTINENTS" a BOLD face lie!!!

Toastie will speak publicly with people about his occupation and when he says he is the #1 rank player in the world and gets questions regarding the legitimacy of that statement because they did not see him on the "Mosconi Cup"!!!! What does he say???

This is the problem!!!

You sell a product and a performance. People go to the ballet and circus to SEE the performance they have NO idea who the lion tamer is and don't care! The same thing with pool! All those people that claim they need a headliner are delusional! Karl Boyes put less butts in the seats then Toastie and that is my opinion! But, Toastie sits and Karl Boyes gets PAID!!!

Diluting the European team because team USA refuses to honor using the ranking system for various reasons is crazy if that is what happened here? Like most things in life it ain't what you know but who you know that puts money in your pocket!!!

NYC Dude i understand your frustration! With this audience you are sure to get an ear full despite the injustice of the situation. I am certain this post was to subdue some of the outrage from your previous public post. Some times it easier to join the crowd then stand alone!

KD
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While I respectfully disagree with most of what you have said and the supporting reasons that you put behind it, I do agree that Thorsten is a world class player, capable of winning any tournament he enters. I would think that he would add to any team that he is on.

That said, I would say (respectfully) in answer to your points about the Who deciding who is a draw or not is simple, the one Who is putting up the money to support the promotion in the hope of turning a profit.

The promoter has to ensure that the choice of players attract the largest audience possible, both for the fans and the sponsors. In your example of the ballet you seem to miss the point that a ballet featuring a dancer like Baryshnikov, in his era, was far better attended than if they had featured Moishe Pippik.

I would be surprised if Thorsten, even if he did feel snubbed, would be of the opinion that the players chosen should not be presented as the best of both continents as they are all world class and also capable of winning any tournament they enter. I would also be surprised if Thorsten would ever introduce himself by saying he is the number 1 player in the world or if he would concern himself with the reciprient of that introduction thinking less of him for not being on the Mosconi Cup.

The past use of ranking system did not ensure that the best players to represent the US were a part of the team. Players should not be forced to enter tournaments to simply pad their ranking stats.

Again, Thorsten would be an excellent choice, a strong player and gentleman of the game who always conducts himself with class and integrity and would add to the strength of the Team. I do not think he would disrespect Karl Boyes or any other member of the team by saying that he should have been picked no matter how disappointed he might be.
 
thewhiffer said:
I do not think he would disrespect Karl Boyes or any other member of the team by saying that he should have been picked no matter how disappointed he might be.
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But, would any of them WANT the slot under such FALSE pretense????

You made this statement and neglected the fact that it is a DOUBLE edge sword that cuts BOTH ways!

Toastie would not want to take from Boyes if Boyes was the number 1 ranked player!!!


I AM CERTAIN EVERYONE GETS MY POINT!!!

KD
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I agree it's a shame Thorsten got overlooked. I guess nobody likes someone who plays ROCK solid and conducts himself as a gentleman at all times. Bring on the cue abusing, tantrum throwing kindergarteners, lol. All that beeing said: The Mosconi Cup is purely an entertainment program. Nobody really thinks anything can be determined by a race to 5 so clearly the selection of players reflect the entertainment factor, the pool is almost secondary. Without all the flash, loud audience and artificial hype, there would only be pool. At this time most "regular" people would rather watch the screensaver on their computer than ordinary pro pool. Barry Hearn of course knows this.

For some reason the Mosconi Cup has aquired a huge degree of prestige, which I feel is largely hyped up. Hopefully, beeing overlooked for the Mosconi cup won't be a big hole in Thorstens pool resume, as he is my favourite among the currently active players and a worthy champion.
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From the pool player's point of view, those who are in the Mosconi Cup, it *is* a big deal. FWIW, they experience a modicum of respect, something not given very often in the American pool culture.

Each member has a guranteed payday. I can't remember the breakdown. Does anybody know? For some reason, $12,000 comes to mind, but I may be off.

Win or lose, if you are fortunate enough to play in the Mosconi Cup, it's nice to have a guaranteed payday. :cool:
 
The last time I checked, Matchroom was a private corporation who is funding THEIR event and promoting THEIR event in an attempt to sell tickets.

1) They can pick whoever they want
2) They don't have to explain it to you
3) You can choose to like it
4) You can choose to cry and demand this and that
5) If you think you can do better, you can promote your own event and call it the Greenleaf Cup

Never, ever does there have to be transparency or explanations or anything for that matter for anything Matchroom does.
 
JAM said:
From the pool player's point of view, those who are in the Mosconi Cup, it *is* a big deal. FWIW, they experience a modicum of respect, something not given very often in the American pool culture.

Each member has a guranteed payday. I can't remember the breakdown. Does anybody know? For some reason, $12,000 comes to mind, but I may be off.

Win or lose, if you are fortunate enough to play in the Mosconi Cup, it's nice to have a guaranteed payday. :cool:
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I think it is $7,500 for each member of the losing team and $15,000 for each member of the winning team.
 
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