BONUS BALL: ABP / Non-payment

SpiderWebComm

SpiderWebComm

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ABP:

Good job w/ the US Open and for making the Open a success in regards to getting players paid. You broke a long consecutive chain of delinquent pay-days for the pros.

QUESTION: Are you going to put the same level of effort into making sure the Bonus Ball players are paid?

To this date, not everyone has been paid and in fact, BB has been forcing some to accept sets of balls/equipment as "Payment in full" with no option for CASH.... forcing people to sign letters of acceptance under duress as a "take it or leave it" scenario.

It seems as though BB is starting back up soon with some players returning and some not. I heard that one BB player was told to travel to Vegas (under his own expense) just to get paid, which is ludicrous.

Can the ABP list the pros who are returning and verify publicly if they've been paid or not?

In addition, can the ABP list the pros who are NOT returning and verify publicly if they've been paid-in-full (with CASH, American dollars, not sets of balls, equipment, etc). If there's a single person not paid, will the ABP support BB's re-launch?

The above are rhetorical questions, of course, since the answers are already known.

Based on the obvious, will the ABP players show-up on Day-1 of the BB re-launch, knowing your fellow players, friends, colleagues have not all been paid (in cash) for work/play performed for this group? What is the ABP's plan for getting people paid?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
ABP:

Good job w/ the US Open and for making the Open a success in regards to getting players paid. You broke a long consecutive chain of delinquent pay-days for the pros.

QUESTION: Are you going to put the same level of effort into making sure the Bonus Ball players are paid?

To this date, not everyone has been paid and in fact, BB has been forcing some to accept sets of balls/equipment as "Payment in full" with no option for CASH.... forcing people to sign letters of acceptance under duress as a "take it or leave it" scenario.

It seems as though BB is starting back up soon with some players returning and some not. I heard that one BB player was told to travel to Vegas (under his own expense) just to get paid, which is ludicrous.

Can the ABP list the pros who are returning and verify publicly if they've been paid or not?

In addition, can the ABP list the pros who are NOT returning and verify publicly if they've been paid-in-full (with CASH, American dollars, not sets of balls, equipment, etc). If there's a single person not paid, will the ABP support BB's re-launch?

The above are rhetorical questions, of course, since the answers are already known.

Based on the obvious, will the ABP players show-up on Day-1 of the BB re-launch, knowing your fellow players, friends, colleagues have not all been paid (in cash) for work/play performed for this group? What is the ABP's plan for getting people paid?
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I predict.. http://c2.wag.com/images/products/p/zml/zml-040_1z.jpg

Although I don't think they (BB peeps) shouldn't tell anyone, anything. Just keep it to themselves. Let the people guess what they will, and just do their thing. That's what I'd do.

I'd tell the ABP right where to go...
 
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I'm just curious if the ABP is an equal-opportunity-protector. My perception is that they kept the pressure on Barry while allowing BB to run wild and rape everyone.
It's clear the ABP knows some people weren't paid, yet they haven't made any announcements as to their official position prior to the BB re-launch.
 
I dont know why anyone would sign that letter-keep the letter as further evidence you havent been paid. If you live in Vegas-i imagine you could recover the limit for small claims court fairly easy
 
Seriously, did you need to post that overly large pic to make every thread under it need to be scrolled to the side?


jhanso18 said:
I predict...

Although I don't think they (BB peeps) shouldn't tell anyone, anything. Just keep it to themselves. Let the people guess what they will, and just do there thing. That's what I'd do.

I'd tell the ABP right where to go...
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SpiderWebComm said:
I'm just curious if the ABP is an equal-opportunity-protector. My perception is that they kept the pressure on Barry while allowing BB to run wild and rape everyone.
It's clear the ABP knows some people weren't paid, yet they haven't made any announcements as to their official position prior to the BB re-launch.
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What is going on with pool?

What are you people like?

I'm going back in to retirement...
 
Another bump in case the ABP missed it yesterday. Very interested if BB doesn't qualify for ABP "protection."
 
Black-Balled said:
Mouse
Pee
Cotton ball.
-The Cannon
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At least COMMENT, right? Agree or disagree -- but avoiding the topic is really weak and reveals the weakness of that organization: playing favorites (promoter / organization-wise), looking the other way if the inner-circle gets greased through but the outer fringe individuals get stiffed, etc.

The ABP should be "all for one and one for all" when it comes to players and those who help them such as refs and ring-girls.

Sometimes doing the RIGHT THING really stings like a b1tch when it hurts you more than helps you - I've tasted that a few times in my life, for sure. IF the ABP really lets BB get anyway with its CREEPIFIED moves, then, really, what good is it? It would only show that it's contributing to harm the very thing it's sworn to protect: People getting paid at pro pool events.

They're not saying anything because everything I said in my original post is absolutely fact and they're hoping this thread just gets buried and goes away. I'm gonna bump it until they comment... not because it affects good people and friends of mine, but because it's the right thing to do.
 
Black-Balled said:
What can be said, spidery?

You know it.
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I think the thread is garbage in that it's a joke that it even had to be made.

If I were the ABP, I'd probably grind my teeth flat reading it and probably blame the victims for crying about not getting paid, which could affect whether the ABP got paid in the future from BB.

HOWEVER, when I cracked open an Amstel Light and lit-up a cigarette and thought about it carefully, I'd realize that it was BONUS BALL who had people re-locate to Vegas and then didn't pay people as they promised (let's call it "stiffed"), leaving them desolate and enraged enough to cry about it in the first place.

By the end of my cigarette, I'd realize that everyone wanted everyone to shut-up merely for the CHANCE of things working out - when in fact, the group should have all called foul together and protected everyone's interest as a whole the moment the money didn't show-up.

Now that the above didn't happen, BB is set to relaunch w/ some people paid and some people not with the core ABP team coming back for Bonus Ball v2.0 while others were left behind to fend for themselves... forced to take BALL SETS for payment as a take it or leave it.

The best thing for the ABP to do now is to just not show up on November 2. That would teach BB to not straight-arm-stiff people and then following it up with illegal leveraging, like they did w/ the ball sets. At least then... they walk away with a clean conscience.

Scumbags like BB never change their spots whether it be v1.0 or 2.0 or v3.0 --- the fact they could do that to someone just because those people have no cash means to fight back and because "they can," means that they'll do it to future players when the gauntlet is thrown-down. Once a creep -- always a creep. It's a character thing.
 
Black-Balled said:
Mouse
Pee
Cotton ball.
-The Cannon
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:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:

And I was there when Shannon said that. It was so funny. Everybody was barking, I'll play you for a thousand, I'll play you for 2,000, I'll play anybody in the house. So Shannon says, "I got an idea. Why don't everybody put up a thousand, and we'll have a tournament. Whoever wins is the best player of the land." :cool:

There was a long pregnant pause. Everybody stared at Shannon, and nobody uttered a peep. :shocked:

Then Shannon says, "It's so damn quiet in here now, why, you could hear a mouse peeing on a cotton ball." Then everybody cracked up and immediate went back to barking at each other. :grin-square:
 
This really is pretty hard to fathom. It would be easier to understand if none of the ABP members playing Bonus Ball were involved with the IPT, but the IPT taught pro pool players one lesson above all:

EVEN IF YOU THINK THAT THE PROPRIETOR OF A POOL VENTURE HAS VERY DEEP POCKETS, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU WILL NECESSAIRLY BE PAID MONEYS DUE

Is it possible that ABP members that played on the IPT (and there are many)already forgot this lesson? Surely, they had reason to request of Larry Chiborak that the first year's money that would be due the players be escrowed.

Yes, Bonus Ball is not an ABP venture, but neither is the US Open 9-ball event.

This just doesn't make sense.
 
It's as if the players either don't understand that they have all the power, or don't give a shit about their fellow players.

Not a damn rack gets broken until everyone is paid, every dollar owed, in cash, not balls.

And as a fan, I don't care if it's the greatest game on earth, won't watch it, won't support it - I don't do business with scumbags.

And to anyone blah, blah, blah, support the players, see above - if they don't care to support each other, why should anyone else.
 
BONUS BALL: ABP / Non-payment

I also agree that the way the Bonus Ball went about their business is just plain wrong. Never made any sense in the beginning and still doesn't.

BB never posted the 'millions' of dollars. The players bought into the 'pied piper's pitch'.

This seriously damaged the reputation of many players - although all of us who questioned the busniness plan were just branded as 'haters'.

This was a major portion of the reason why I have decided to not hold the US Open 8-ball and US Open 10-ball for the next year or two.

The ABP needs to figure out who/what they are. Rules are supposed to be consistent - not enforced just willy-nilly.

It is pretty easy to understand - just look at some of the main spokes people and captains. When will this industry and its players learn?

Mark Griffin
 
Please let me read the writing on the wall for all you folks that might not get it.

The ABP since its inception have barked and/or spoken out on how many issues?

How many events/productions have they been directly involved with?

What weight if any do they carry???


The ABP was formed (in my eyes) to push back Barry and co at the US Open 9 ball. Once they got what they desired, they play all nice until next year. In between now and then you will hear virtually nothing from that "camp." I say "camp" because if you talk to all the supposed "members" of said "camp" half don't know/care/understand what it is, or the purpose. Hell when it first formed, I asked Shane about it, and he had no clue what the I was even talking about. What does that tell you? Sure they may be a little more organized now, but even if the ABP was an actual entity, and not what I think it is, (I think it's JA, maybe a couple other guys, and a lawyer.) You really think its leader, Johnny Archer, is going to make a peep about BB F'ing the pooch? He seems to have A LOT riding on the success of Bonus Ball, he's not going to shit where he eats.

ABP = joke
BB = who ****ing knows, joke/success/opportunity, I really don't know. I'm pulling for success, even though I don't care for the game. I want to see pro players make some money, and better the sport. What option is there except to root for them, however misguided you think they might be.

I still like TAR, American Rotation, BCAPL ahead of BB. Still, it's weird how none of these four seem to have any issues with the ABP, and don't really even seem to give a crap about them in general...


This is Ron Burgandy signing off for the night.

Stay Classy AZB.
 
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