NO Match for Harriman/Schmidt

Neil said:
Baloney. He had his chance, and couldn't get the job done so he washed his hands of it. What you and he are saying is that those two can only ever play for again for him. I don't think they (John and Danny) would agree to that at all.

Mark set up a pool match between them. Thought it would be good pool. As soon as the match was set, Justin jumped in and he and others started playing the animosity angle, not the pool angle. That's not what the company Mark works for is about, so they naturally don't want their player involved in something like that. They are about promoting pool, not animosity and train wrecks between two players. If that's what you really want to watch, and what Justin really wants to promote just because it sells, (which I don't think he does) then let him put on a Shawn Putnam/Earl Strickland match. Or a Hatch/ Strickland match. There will be plenty of animosity.

And for Justin, who represents a company, to now start making innuendos about charity scams, and that is what Kimberly might be about, is just plain a low blow and sour apples. I had tons of respect for Justin before this thread, now I am finding myself re-thinking that.
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this is way off base. Justin didn't make any innuendos about a charity scam. He simply said that doing stuff for charity can be very lucrative. That can be the case without being a scam. I've seen a ton of "charity" poker tourneys and golf tourneys that are advertised as charity and give away 10% to charity (which is noted in the promotion so it doesn't deceive anyone) and they make a ton on the other 90%.

Is it a bit deceptive, probably, but only to those that don't fully read the event structure or the fine print, which is the case with a lot of people.

I get called unethical all the time because I provide people that can't get a loan anywhere else collateralized loans on their goods. They ask me how I can sleep at night and I usually tell them that I have a really expensive machine that simulates the sound of the ocean.
 
with almost 3500 views in less than 24 hours this thread exemplifies the sad state of affairs that has fallen upon az billiards.

why do i say that ? because this thread is full of false accusations, conspiracy theories , and out right bull sh*t.

1. plenty of false accusations about mark cantrill and kim griffiths.

2. conspiracy theory about str8shots trying to cut out tar from a ppv ? if it was true which i highly doubt , are you saying once 2 players play on a tar ppv they can never play on big trucks ppv or anyone elses for that matter ?

3. its bull sh*t if all of you are claiming this match is about just good pool and not about the hatred and animosity these 2 players have for each other.while these 2 players are prety good and it would be a good match they are not in svb's and earls league whose match never garnered this much attention .
 
The person who started this thread is the one who drew the line in the sand and said that they couldn't play for TAR. You have it backwards. TAR never said they couldn't play for some Str8 Shots event.

And how can you characterize the same match as a "train wreck" in the TAR studio, yet the opposite if sponsored by Str8 Shots?

Neil said:
Baloney. He had his chance, and couldn't get the job done so he washed his hands of it. What you and he are saying is that those two can only ever play for again for him. I don't think they (John and Danny) would agree to that at all.

Mark set up a pool match between them. Thought it would be good pool. As soon as the match was set, Justin jumped in and he and others started playing the animosity angle, not the pool angle. That's not what the company Mark works for is about, so they naturally don't want their player involved in something like that. They are about promoting pool, not animosity and train wrecks between two players. If that's what you really want to watch, and what Justin really wants to promote just because it sells, (which I don't think he does) then let him put on a Shawn Putnam/Earl Strickland match. Or a Hatch/ Strickland match. There will be plenty of animosity.

And for Justin, who represents a company, to now start making innuendos about charity scams, and that is what Kimberly might be about, is just plain a low blow and sour apples. I had tons of respect for Justin before this thread, now I am finding myself re-thinking that.
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Neil said:
And for Justin, who represents a company, to now start making innuendos about charity scams, and that is what Kimberly might be about, is just plain a low blow and sour apples. I had tons of respect for Justin before this thread, now I am finding myself re-thinking that.
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JCIN said:
You know more than I do about them so I will defer to you on this one. I do agree that the charity game can be a lucrative one. Seen it first hand in other industries. I have no idea how they make their money or where to see any public records. Its just been my experience that when entities come in splashing around they usually don't last very long. Maybe they are different.

More power to them on the Junior thing. If they want to compete in my area of the industry I'm cool with that but I will compete and call them on moves when they pull them.
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Neil, see above. It was another poster who said something. Justin said he didn't know, only that he had seen charity be lucritive in other industries (said as a response to another's post). Don't start putting words in people's mouths
 
Confused, but best I can understand is no match because a grown mans babysitter told him it was not in her best interest?
 
Neil said:
Baloney. He had his chance, and couldn't get the job done so he washed his hands of it. What you and he are saying is that those two can only ever play for again for him. I don't think they (John and Danny) would agree to that at all.

Mark set up a pool match between them. Thought it would be good pool. As soon as the match was set, Justin jumped in and he and others started playing the animosity angle, not the pool angle. That's not what the company Mark works for is about, so they naturally don't want their player involved in something like that. They are about promoting pool, not animosity and train wrecks between two players. If that's what you really want to watch, and what Justin really wants to promote just because it sells, (which I don't think he does) then let him put on a Shawn Putnam/Earl Strickland match. Or a Hatch/ Strickland match. There will be plenty of animosity.

And for Justin, who represents a company, to now start making innuendos about charity scams, and that is what Kimberly might be about, is just plain a low blow and sour apples. I had tons of respect for Justin before this thread, now I am finding myself re-thinking that.
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I don't believe you are actually reading what I am writing but choosing what fits your opinion and twisting it to suit your opinion. Not surprising but very boring to repeatedly refute.

I have an established reputation here and I will stand by it. If you dont like me, or what I do thats fine. Just to make you happy and to make things clear I will highlight what I have already said AGAIN.

JCIN said:
You know more than I do about them so I will defer to you on this one. I do agree that the charity game can be a lucrative one. Seen it first hand in other industries. I have no idea how they make their money or where to see any public records. Its just been my experience that when entities come in splashing around they usually don't last very long. Maybe they are different.

More power to them on the Junior thing. If they want to compete in my area of the industry I'm cool with that but I will compete and call them on moves when they pull them.
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corvette1340 said:
this is way off base. Justin didn't make any innuendos about a charity scam. He simply said that doing stuff for charity can be very lucrative. That can be the case without being a scam. I've seen a ton of "charity" poker tourneys and golf tourneys that are advertised as charity and give away 10% to charity (which is noted in the promotion so it doesn't deceive anyone) and they make a ton on the other 90%.

Is it a bit deceptive, probably, but only to those that don't fully read the event structure or the fine print, which is the case with a lot of people.

I get called unethical all the time because I provide people that can't get a loan anywhere else collateralized loans on their goods. They ask me how I can sleep at night and I usually tell them that I have a really expensive machine that simulates the sound of the ocean.
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Re-read post #127. Justin even commenting about it the way he did lends credence to the unfounded statement by someone else. As he said, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
 
well...

i see how sr8 shits are and how tar is... tar makes a comment and stays around and does q &a others blow off at the mouth and vanish like str8 and bb.. thanks tar for answering questions from us pool fans.. in my mind that is why some stay and some go... tar csi and dcc are strong to this date because they do it their way and have a backbone something many of us on here can relate too.. just my opinion but tar will be around for a very long time!! and i argree why would sr8t pick danny to play john if they didnt know the history why not varner shaw or one of their boys so the eat up all the profit????
 
I get that their rep or spokesmodel or whatever said they are nixing the proposed match because they feel it can be bad for their image (which is interesting as we barely know who they are, let alone what their image is), but is it all all possible that this actually is Cantrell nixing TAR's attempt so he can gain "ownership" of a promotion he somehow thinks is his idea (even though the entire history of this "feud" is on TAR)?

Just asking.

Thanks

Kevin
 
lorider said:
with almost 3500 views in less than 24 hours this thread exemplifies the sad state of affairs that has fallen upon az billiards.

why do i say that ? because this thread is full of false accusations, conspiracy theories , and out right bull sh*t.

1. plenty of false accusations about mark cantrill and kim griffiths.

2. conspiracy theory about str8shots trying to cut out tar from a ppv ? if it was true which i highly doubt , are you saying once 2 players play on a tar ppv they can never play on big trucks ppv or anyone elses for that matter ?

3. its bull sh*t if all of you are claiming this match is about just good pool and not about the hatred and animosity these 2 players have for each other.while these 2 players are prety good and it would be a good match they are not in svb's and earls league whose match never garnered this much attention .
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You are so crossed up I dont even know where to start.

I'm fine with competing. In the past I vouched for Mark Cantrell to Shane before he did the Earl match. If I was out to screw everyone else would I have done that?

Mark starts a thread about a Schmidt/Harriman match days ago. If the guys will play I am going to make an offer. Thats called competition in the market when people have a choice. Then they come back and say "Oh we didnt know these guys had a history."

I have never stood in the way of any player doing anything. All I did was make an offer when the topic of the match came up. The other party didnt come back and say "We will make you a better offer." They took their ball and went home. Which one would you say has a problem with competition? I wasnt going to say anything about them trying to make the match till they came with BS about not knowing what the history was and that instead of doing it they were just going to block it.
 
ok neil

what charity are they giving it to?? its a good cover up i mean give me a break she hands john a check he hands it back she uses it for kids scholarships from the tournaments they run so kids like short bus russes can benifit or not benifit from.. not a good track record in my mind from russ.. where is his kiddos scholarship he won??? have them answer that on here?? if tar promised him one i bet he would have it already just my opinion
 
Neil said:
Re-read post #127. Justin even commenting about it the way he did lends credence to the unfounded statement by someone else. As he said, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
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You have made two swipes at me. Both of which I quoted myself and answered your allegations. Are you going to respond to those or just continue making things up as you go along ?
 
I think it speaks volumes that nobody from this str8 shots place has came on to answer any of these questions or to comment on the issue.

Not only do they have no clue about marketing but they have no clue about PR or handling problems. I'd be scared to do business with anyone that doesn't know the ABC's of how to effectively run one.

It looks like the OP is online as well.
 
Once again, I'm not speaking for Str8shots.... but I believe the scholarships would be from BEF, not from Str8shots.

Str8shots is helping BEF promote their programs, but it is the responsibility of BEF for distribution of said scholarships...at least to my uneducated speculation.

And sometimes these things take a little time. Russ said the tourney was in September, which means its less than 2 months ago. As a parent of someone who has received scholarships (too damned few, heh heh) there is a process involved. And nothing is immediate.

For the record, I still would like to have seen the match take place. I'm just trying to keep some of the rampant speculation corralled...or at least accounted for.
 
thank you for answering that question about the scholarships justadub... i wish the people who started this could show back up and answer some questions for others...
 
corvette1340 said:
...It looks like the OP is online as well.
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She might be reading this non-stop, continuous, never-ending, post-multiplying thread. That does take a little time to keep up. Not everybody can type as fast as me. :grin-square:

I hope she does not post in this thread. No matter what she writes, it will be met with scruinty, ridicule, and pure unadulterated hatred -- all this venom directed at a pool entity that's trying to do something good for the youth, which in the end benefits pool. :frown:
 
Good Idea Justin....

Maybe there would be more cash involved if John & Danny were to have a fist fight instead of a pool game (sounds crazy doesn't it).

I'm not a big fan of Straight Pool, but I know both men. So I was definitely looking forward to this match, so I could watch some great Pool, not two men that don't like each other, I can't be bothered with such BS.
 
barboxplr said:
thank you for answering that question about the scholarships justadub... i wish the people who started this could show back up and answer some questions for others...
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For the record, he didn't answer any questions. His post was merely his own thoughts and speculations as to what might have occurred. To have an answer, he would need to have facts.

No disrespect dub
 
one question jam i respect your thoughts on the issue and will apoligise for how i type but here it is.. why did the pick danny to play john if the didnt know the history?? with all the top players out there why him? why not one of the all time greatest ever like nick varner who is also under contract by them or the great jayson shaw? makes no sence to claim not to know the history
 
JAM said:
She might be reading this non-stop, continuous, never-ending, post-multiplying thread. That does take a little time to keep up. Not everybody can type as fast as me. :grin-square:

I hope she does not post in this thread. No matter what she writes, it will be met with scruinty, ridicule, and pure unadulterated hatred -- all this venom directed at a pool entity that's trying to do something good for the youth, which in the end benefits pool. :frown:
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that's not true at all. If the OP would just answer some of the questions that people have and attempt to honestly explain the why's and how's of their stance and business model going forward for their player reps, it might do wonders for those that have their doubts.

I personally would like to know the rationale behind not wanting their logo all over a highly watched televised event. That just baffles me. Unless they think that Danny and John would just scrap the pool and have a death match fight to the finish, it makes no sense whatsoever. Even if their target audience is the youth of pool, which again, doesn't align with their poorly designed website, the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks. I just don't get it, which is why I'd like at least an answer.
 
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