I agree with what you say.
Then why try to do the match in the first place?
If Mark went off half cocked and tried to do the match without telling the lady all the details it makes sense. But to say no one knew the history is ridiculous.
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I agree with what you say.
Then why try to do the match in the first place?
If Mark went off half cocked and tried to do the match without telling the lady all the details it makes sense. But to say no one knew the history is ridiculous.
Kid, you and I need to talk.
Have you looked at the Str8 Shots website to see how much money they are pouring into pool?
I understand your loyalties to pool entities you enjoy and support, but please reconsider your stance on this one. I think this situation is quite different than Bonus Ball, FWIW.
Call me anytime.
Yeah.. About that... My son won second in one of the Str8 Shot tourneys,, thereby winning a "scholarship".... That we have yet to see...
Uh huh....
Short Bus Russ
You're right. Im just saying last year they made a big chunk of change doing small events and this year they have grown tremendous exposure. What Im really saying is I dont see them throwing any money at all. They tell others to throw the money "for charity"and so far its worked out nicely for them. I am skeptical of deception. Just how much do they donate and how much do they keep. Look at their store and then look at their public records and see if you believe their store generates that kind of money.
Im not buying that they knew nothing about the matchup either and wouldnt be surprised if they decided that it will be ok to go ahead with it.
Yeah.. About that... My son won second in one of the Str8 Shot tourneys,, thereby winning a "scholarship".... That we have yet to see...
Uh huh....
Short Bus Russ
Could you post the date of the tournament? I would be interested to see the story about it. What was the advertised prize, purse and/or scholarship payout?
Congratulations, BTW!
LOL, Punter. :grin-square:
Actually, the tension in the pool world today is between the pool purists versus the action enthusiasts. I mean, there's a whole sub-forum on action, here at AzBilliards, which speaks for itself, I guess. :wink:
The pool purists, however, would prefer no smack talking and no gambling. There's quite a few of them who post on the Main Forum every day. They believe that gambling is the culprit for keeping pool in the doldrums. In fact, there is a Euro tour that doesn't pay any money to the winners, but they do give out titles and trophies. :tongue:
As the saying goes, different strokes for different folks.
The greatest tension in the pool world right now is between promoters that have financially supported the pro ranks and the many pro players that have chosen to abandon them contractually or through obstructionism. The tension is, similarly, between fans and pro players whose access to tournaments has been diminished by the resultant poor participation in major events in America and the resultant elimination of some quality events.
The 2014 American pool calendar looks horrific right now, and many of us, myself included, feel that pros signing contracts that compromise the efforts of promoters who've stood by them is regrettable and has done measurable disservice to our sport.
Hence, the fear that those signing with Str8 Shots are obstructing the growth and vitality of others who try to produce and promote pool events in America is not unreasonable, especially in light of the fact that Str8 Shots are blocking this match that the American pool world wants.
No matter, good luck to all involved with Str8 Shots, which I'm sure has the best of intentions for pool, but looks a bit silly on this occasion.
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I'd like to see this contract to see the parameters John is bound by as well as the duration of the contract, ins and outs etc...of course that isn't going to happen but I am curious on a couple of things.
Matt <---- BA in Business Management with a little bit of knowledge on certain types of contracts in the business world. I need to start AZ pimping myself out to these players so they don't start locking themselves down in -EV situations.
Matt <---- BA in Business Management with a little bit of knowledge on certain types of contracts in the business world. I need to start AZ pimping myself out to these players so they don't start locking themselves down in -EV situations.
You know more than I do about them so I will defer to you on this one. I do agree that the charity game can be a lucrative one. Seen it first hand in other industries. I have no idea how they make their money or where to see any public records. Its just been my experience that when entities come in splashing around they usually don't last very long. Maybe they are different.
More power to them on the Junior thing. If they want to compete in my area of the industry I'm cool with that but I will compete and call them on moves when they pull them.
I can see our point about *that* tension, and it does exist, without a doubt, but there seems to be a conflict, for lack of a better word, between pool purists and action enthusiasts as far as how they would like to see pool spotlighted. That was what I was trying to relay. :smile:
I do not know, or understand, the contractual agreement, if any, between the Str8 Shot players. In fact, what is the correct terminology?
Str8shots only recently started sponsoring pro players (or at least began trumpeting it publicly) so this is new territory for them, as well. I expect they didn't exactly forsee these sorts of developments.
That having been said, they likely don't have to worry about it too much with Nick Varner or Karen Corr. However, Jaysen Shaw has done a bit of woofing and a bit of gambling, as I understand, so perhaps team Str8shots has to get their stuff together and decide how they want to proceed with the "pro" part of their program.
I think you may have hit the nail on the head. It could be that this being new territory for them, they will have to move more slowly in these uncharted pool waters.
Exactly what move did they pull Justin? Seems to me you have stated in the past that after extensive negotiating with both parties, you were done with them. Now, as soon as you see someone else successful in the negotiations, you want to jump right back in and take over the accomplishment you couldn't do and gave up on. Now you say it's your right to showcase those two because they started a rivalry on your network. In other words, you are saying that you own any future matches between those two and no one else should ever film them playing. How is that any different then them telling John he can't play for their own reasons?
You essentially are saying you own the rights to any future matchup between them. Even after you said you were done with it. Is that really the stance you want to take? I don't think so, but, in this case, you are.
I do hope SVB ducked the contract bullet. After this show of force by st8shits I hope that any other pros put themselves under their finger. I just hope they have short contracts.
In my opinion it was stupid to target TAR. They'll be here long after "Annie"
In my opinion it was stupid to target TAR. They'll be here long after "Annie"
I understand your frustration, someone trying to bake and sell an apple pie from apples they stole from you.
In my opinion the OP should have issued a statement indicating that its not in our best interest for us to pursue this particular match based on the common respect for TAR.
I also think they should have endorsed the opportunity to have John represent there brand, this would have shown they have confidence in him acting professional.
He damn sure should have the 1st shot at it. Str8shits hasn't done anything to promote the match nor has anyone else as far as that goes
Actually I said this:
If the two guys are open to play I will make an offer. They can take it or not. For someone to come in and try to do the match then say "Oh we didnt know the history" is just silly and pisses me off because I know it not to be true. Perhaps one hand didnt know what the other is doing but dont piss down my leg and tell me its raining.
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Could you post the date of the tournament? I would be interested to see the story about it. What was the advertised prize, purse and/or scholarship payout?
Congratulations, BTW!
I haven't been able to find any report of the tournament in the Cue Times magazine... It was some time in September, I think?
All I know is that we got signed up for Str8 Shots through a Junior Charity event, my son took second, and I haven't heard a peep since. My son goes to school with the first place kid, so I will have him ask..
Short Bus Russ
Man, you should be posting these triumphs. I love reading feel-good pool news like this. :angel:
I look forward to reading more. Hopefully, your son will receive whatever he's got coming to him from Str8 Shots soon. :yes:
Baloney. He had his chance, and couldn't get the job done so he washed his hands of it. What you and he are saying is that those two can only ever play for again for him. I don't think they (John and Danny) would agree to that at all.
Mark set up a pool match between them. Thought it would be good pool. As soon as the match was set, Justin jumped in and he and others started playing the animosity angle, not the pool angle. That's not what the company Mark works for is about, so they naturally don't want their player involved in something like that. They are about promoting pool, not animosity and train wrecks between two players. If that's what you really want to watch, and what Justin really wants to promote just because it sells, (which I don't think he does) then let him put on a Shawn Putnam/Earl Strickland match. Or a Hatch/ Strickland match. There will be plenty of animosity.
And for Justin, who represents a company, to now start making innuendos about charity scams, and that is what Kimberly might be about, is just plain a low blow and sour apples. I had tons of respect for Justin before this thread, now I am finding myself re-thinking that.
Yes, the debate over how pool should be showcased rages on, as it has for decades. There's really no right answer, but in the end, I suspect there is room for both philosophies on the forum and in the pro game.
I just don't feel that it's the debate at the heart of pools problems right now.
PS I'd say the correct terminology is "I am not aware of the contractual arrangement between Str8 Shots and its player representatives."
Actually that was me talking about the charity stuff. He said he did not know anything about it.
Do you?