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I was wandering when Bob Runde worked at schon was the cues better worth more today?? And also how do u tell,I know he had the stich at the joint also I think his points were more sharper,,anyway eles??? and what were the yrs he made cues there,,,also I have seen he has his own line out runde cues does he still make them,,,I seen 1 for $2400 are they better than schon??,,,, any help,,,was thinking about buying 1 been out of playing for about 25 or so yrs,,,thxs for any help,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
I have played with about 5 new schons and 3 old with stiched rings and shaft points. The old Schons played so much better- I was shocked. Even when you put LD shaft on butts from different eras- hit is totally different and I really liked Runde era one
 
The Schons made by Evan Clarke are really great cues but if you can believe this, when it was just Terry & Bob at Schon, those were the best cues to ever come out of Schon up until this day including the recent Schon Tribute cues.

Maybe it was the initial wood inventory they had but shafts play better and the cue just feels better in your hands. The sharp points on the Runde made cues don't do a darn thing to make the cues play better as everyone knows. However, the cue looks a lot more handsome in my opinion and I will not own any cue with CNC cut points. I had a Schon Tribute cue and sold it for that reason...and it was too heavy as well....;but I did not like the CNC points.......made the cue look almost incomplete or missing something. But I'm when spending a lot of money for a cue, which I do, then the cue-maker has to have sharp points on their cues or I won't buy it......that's just my idiosyncracy.

Back to the Schons....you'd have to hit with a Runde Schon in order to appreciate why it is admittedly has a different feel, and in my opinion, a better playing Schon. Back in 1985, I paid Bob $800 to build a custom design Schon of my selection........and Azers not born at that time or too young to remember, $800 was a shitload of money to spend on a cue back in '85. I could have bought any cue from Bill Stroud, Tad Kohara, Tim Scruggs, or Bert Schrager for that price or just about any cue-maker for what I paid I in 1985. In any event, my cue turned out magnificent.......both in terms of looks and its playability. However, the cue weighs a ton in comparison to what I use nowadays so I never play with it anymore. Bob enscribed the cue "Custom Made for Matt Brennan" which I thought was a nice touch I really appreciated.
 
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Had a Runde Schon cue, had a Schon cue from Evan and have one of the tribute cues. They all hit the same. If pushed I would say the tribute cue hits the best. Can not wait when the new tribute cues are done!
 
Howdy DunnM1.......have you ever had a chance to do a side by side comparison......I have with my '85, a Schon Elite I also owned for awhile and Schon's very first tribute cue (Bushka). IMO and virtually everyone else that compared the cues, the "85 definitely had a superior feel to these other Schons. The cue stoke just felt stronger but smoother at the same time, if that makes any sense. The cue ball seemed to move effortlessly and there was just a different feel. Anyway, maybe that's why the Runde Schons are in so much greater demand. The really nice ones are not around very often and disappear fast.
 
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Bavafongoul said:
The Schons made by Evan Clarke are really great cues but if you can believe this, when it was just Terry & Bob at Schon, those were the best cues to ever come out of Schon up until this day including the recent Schon Tribute cues.

Maybe it was the initial wood inventory they had but shafts play better and the cue just feels better in your hands. The sharp points on the Runde made cues don't do a darn thing to make the cues play better as everyone knows. However, the cue looks a lot more handsome in my opinion and I will not own any cue with CNC cut points. I had a Schon Tribute cue and sold it for that reason...and it was too heavy as well....;but I did not like the CNC points.......made the cue look almost incomplete or missing something. But I'm when spending a lot of money for a cue, which I do, then the cue-maker has to have sharp points on their cues or I won't buy it......that's just my idiosyncracy.

Back to the Schons....you'd have to hit with a Runde Schon in order to appreciate why it is admittedly has a different feel, and in my opinion, a better playing Schon. Back in 1985, I paid Bob $800 to build a custom design Schon of my selection........and Azers not born at that time or too young to remember, $800 was a shitload of money to spend on a cue back in '85. I could have bought any cue from Bill Stroud, Tad Kohara, Tim Scruggs, or Bert Schrager for that price or just about any cue-maker for what I paid I in 1985. In any event, my cue turned out magnificent.......both in terms of looks and its playability. However, the cue weighs a ton in comparison to what I use nowadays so I never play with it anymore. Bob enscribed the cue "Custom Made for Matt Brennan" which I thought was a nice touch I really appreciated.
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At that time a basic Szamboti 59" 2 shafts with ivory ferrules was $425.00. :eek:
 
The cues that could be had back then are amazing to look at nowadays......the value of some are incredulous. I could have gotten a cue from George Balabushka back in the 70's but what the heck did I know about his future. I lived twelve blocks from his pool hall in Bayridge, Brooklyn. I used to play stickball down by the belt parkway in the 50's & 60's. We'd ride our bikes home and sometimes ride by George's pool hall and dreamed about turning16 so we were old enough to go there. And I turned 16 in 1962 and after the movie "The Hustler" had come out the year before so I couldn't wait to become a regular at the pool hall.

Yeah, I should have bough Kodak back in 1969 too.....there's a lot of things I should have done and getting more pool cues is just one of them...........the great cues cost a less back then.
 
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I believe Runde Schons are not cored, Evans current Schons are. I have a Runde Schon SS, a Runde Schon original phenolic (very rare), Current Schon SS, and a Runde Custom with a phenolic joint. I play the most with my Runde Custom. Just my preference but I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. All are well made, just depends how much you want to spend and your personal preference. Bob may not be building cues much longer so if you want a Bob Runde Custom buy one before they are even more desired by collectors and the prices go up.
 
Shooter08 said:
I believe Runde Schons are not cored, Evans current Schons are.
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This is the largest difference I feel between the hit of newer schons and older schons. I have had 2 sharp pointed Schons, an early stitch ring R6 and a sharp point R10 with a nickel ring. The R10 played better IMHO, the taper on the butt was different than the earlier one, which was pretty fat. I had a newer Schon that played well, but didn't have the same feel. I presently have a Runde era SP 30, that despite the CNC points that I hate, it plays phenominal. The butt weight and taper reminds me of the nickel ringed R10 I had. I also have a Runde from 2003 and have played with a number of newer ones too. IMHO, they play like his old cues, but with more finesse. His sneakys are great too.
 
if im not mistaken, cues made a couple years before bob left schon went to cnc points and solid rings on the shafts.
 
onthemoney said:
I was wandering when Bob Runde worked at schon was the cues better worth more today?? And also how do u tell,I know he had the stich at the joint also I think his points were more sharper,,anyway eles??? and what were the yrs he made cues there,,,also I have seen he has his own line out runde cues does he still make them,,,I seen 1 for $2400 are they better than schon??,,,, any help,,,was thinking about buying 1 been out of playing for about 25 or so yrs,,,thxs for any help,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Although I also agree that the Runde era cues were better, here are two considerations:

Evan Clarke-era (Evan was there before, too I believe) are excellent playing cues. Reallly excellent.

My Runde-era Schon has the Implex joint. And it's crap. It was an experiment/test and a failure, IMO. That's why you don't see them on Schons anymore. Schon cues excel with their modern piloted SS joint.

Freddie <~~~ but I won't sell it
 
scottycoyote said:
if im not mistaken, cues made a couple years before bob left schon went to cnc points and solid rings on the shafts.
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The silver rings were an upgrade option on some of the Runde ques if I am not mistaken. I have a couple of the Runde made cues, one is a very early R-5 the other is a R-13 with silver rings and a soft leather wrap, both are almost mint. Bob looked at the R-13 a few yrs ago and told me he remembered making it, it is one of the nicest cues I have. All ebony with red veneers and ivory.
 
DoubleA said:
The silver rings were an upgrade option on some of the Runde ques if I am not mistaken. I have a couple of the Runde made cues, one is a very early R-5 the other is a R-13 with silver rings and a soft leather wrap, both are almost mint. Bob looked at the R-13 a few yrs ago and told me he remembered making it, it is one of the nicest cues I have. All ebony with red veneers and ivory.
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The early one is an R-6 and it plays as good as any cue they ever made IMO.
 
I've hit with a ton of older Schons and own 2, both Runde era. An R6 and a limited edition that I got in 1991. They both hit fantastic, as did most of the others I've hit with from that era. I really haven't hit with too many newer Schons, so can't comment on any changes good or bad that were introduced by Evan. Bob definitely made a nice cue...

Scott
 
I've had both,and to me both play very well. I think the main difference is going to be in the quality of wood available between then and now.

Personally I wouldn't pay a considerable amount more for a old schon over a new schon unless I really just liked the design more of the older cue.
 
Ken_4fun said:
did they make a hoppe style runde schon?

Ken
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If they did, I want it! I have heard there are a few special order ones out there but have never seen one in person.

The only Schon cues that attain and keep a steady value are the catalog cues. The one offs, unless very special, usually don't hold as good a value as a perfect example catalog example.

I prefer the hit of an old Schon compared to a newer one. The hit is subtly different but different none the less. Maybe it's the micarta ferrules. Maybe it's the wood selections. Maybe it's all in my head (I doubt it as I have compared new versus old side by side) but whatever it is I can tell.
 
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