Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM
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That would be him.
I think he know's what he's talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6hXkm2a4IY
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CJ or SJD...did you ever run into this guy? J. D. Tyler????
Was wondering if either of you ever ran into or knew this guy. The time frame I referenced was a bit before CJ's time, but I believe it was right in the middle of your pool playing years. This guy was supposedly from TX.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=240953&highlight=hawaiianeye
Was wondering if either of you ever ran into or knew this guy. The time frame I referenced was a bit before CJ's time, but I believe it was right in the middle of your pool playing years. This guy was supposedly from TX.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=240953&highlight=hawaiianeye
H.E., I read your link all the way through, and I don't recall anyone who fit your description !.. Rod mentioned he thought it might have been Jack Taylor, (Alfie's brother) traveling with Bigfoot !.. But the thing that is throwing me, is that you said he looked like Jamie Farr, who was a fairly homely guy !..Jack Taylor was a pretty good looking dude in his younger days !..(I'll try and dig up a picture)..Plus, Jack played decent, but he was never more than a shortstop !..
Bottom line, I have no idea who you might be referring to !..There were a ton of good hustler's, drifting around in those years, but very few drove new Caddy's, and could afford to sluff off hundreds, trying to set up a big score ! (certainly NOT Jack Taylor)..Sorry I couldn't be of help !
SJD
He drinks too much, then thinks he knows everything ...... no problem.
I played golf today with two men that used to see him play here in Ft. Worth and they both said he's got a drinking and a thinking problem.
He drinks too much, then thinks he knows everything ...... no problem. :groucho:
I played golf today with two men that used to see him play here in Ft. Worth and they both said he's got a drinking and a thinking problem.
He drinks too much, then thinks he knows everything ...... no problem. :groucho:
many people went by aliases back then
I've not heard of this guy, but many people went by aliases back then so maybe he was known as another name.
I've not heard of this guy, but many people went by aliases back then so maybe he was known as another name.
I played golf today with two men that used to see him play here in Ft. Worth and they both said he's got a drinking and a thinking problem.
He drinks too much, then thinks he knows everything ...... no problem. :groucho:
I played Merion 2 days ago. They don't serve. I get 2 bingos, right?
"The leather jacket and my 25 yr old are the teacher"
(couldn't resist)
debate
CJ-
I've been lurking and following this thread for a while. I find it fascinating. I have never played 2 foul 9 ball and think it's interesting to know how much different the game used to be. It does strike me as a long shot that it is more difficult than one pocket, but I can see the complexity because like one pocket you have to blend a lot of percentages, learn your opponents weaknesses, know your limitations and strengths, etc. It's doubtful, but possible, I could be persuaded.
My question is- why are you holding back your arguments? What I mean is that you've offered to debate this on a video, and mentioned that you could put 5 shots together to showcase the complexity of two foul. Why wait for a challenger? Why not just show them to us to make your case? If they're that convincing you could've done that 60 pages ago and been hours ahead.
I'm sure you have your reasons, I just think it's odd and I'm interested to learn what those shots are and more about how it was played.
Regardless if I agree with everything you say I think it's absolutely a treat to have you post here, thank you!
CJ-
I've been lurking and following this thread for a while. I find it fascinating. I have never played 2 foul 9 ball and think it's interesting to know how much different the game used to be. It does strike me as a long shot that it is more difficult than one pocket, but I can see the complexity because like one pocket you have to blend a lot of percentages, learn your opponents weaknesses, know your limitations and strengths, etc. It's doubtful, but possible, I could be persuaded.
My question is- why are you holding back your arguments? What I mean is that you've offered to debate this on a video, and mentioned that you could put 5 shots together to showcase the complexity of two foul. Why wait for a challenger? Why not just show them to us to make your case? If they're that convincing you could've done that 60 pages ago and been hours ahead.
I'm sure you have your reasons, I just think it's odd and I'm interested to learn what those shots are and more about how it was played.
Regardless if I agree with everything you say I think it's absolutely a treat to have you post here, thank you!
The kicker is that most of these shots are going to be made off the end rail
I will give you some hints because I can tell you really want to learn, although the greatest examples and demonstrations must be on video to really see the strategic differences between the two games clearly.
It would be SO MUCH FUN to debate this with someone....{anyone for that matter} on streaming video setting up One Pocket examples and 'Two Shot Shoot Out' examples. I would bet very high on this or I'd do it for absolutely no money......from my experience it's always more enjoyable to gamble, that way no one can ever say they didn't try their hardest.
In 'Two Shot Shoot Out' you can roll out to ANY conceivable shot of any difficulty level. The choices are going to be to play safe, shoot at the shot, or execute a "two way shot" that mixes an offensive attempt at a pocket with a defensive component.
The "two way shots" are extremely challenging because you always have to play a particular side of the pocket with the correct speed. You also have to play the cue ball for position on the next ball AND use anther ball as a shield to guard against the pocket you're shooting at......this is how you create the "two way shot," by hooking the pocket you're shooting at, the catch is you have to play position on the next shot as well. Sound simple? I can show literally hundreds of these type shots ranging from the most extreme cut shots, to "one rail" banks, "two rail" banks and even three rail banks.
There's also a strong need to be able to carom another ball while you're shooting at the intended ball......to re position the caromed ball. This comes up to play safe, and re position another ball that may not be strategically apparent until the following shot...or maybe even a few shots later.
The kicker is that most of these shots are going to be made off the end rail, or a rail. When you are up against a champion player they will rarely roll out to anything off the rail UNLESS they are rolling out to a "jump shot"......."jump cues" are not allowed in this game so you must jump with the cue you are playing with (no break cues either).
Playing advanced "two way shots" that involve banking, cutting, caroms, plus a premium on cue ball control EVERY shot is quite a test in shot-making and overall pocket billiards ability. It takes many, many years to learn the game at this level and anyone that was a road players in the 80s will agree.
Also, I've played hundreds of opponents over the years and EVERY time it was the game of choice all over the country in the 70's and 80s. When this game was replaced by one foul ball in hand (instead of two foul ball in hand) the gambling in the country started to slow down.
Gamblers like strategic games and "One Foul" simply isn't that strategic. I've had a lot of success playing one foul ball in hand and was up against some of the all time best players in the world on a weekly basis. The truth of the matter is the game is just not much fun to play for me......however,
"When in Rome do as the Romans" so when the tournaments were "one foul" I played one foul....but for the big money matches we always played two shot ball in hand until the 90s....and then I played several big money matches using these rules against opponents like Efren Reyes, Bustamante, Johnny Archer, Tony Ellin, Rodney Morris, Rafael Martinez, and I didn't always win, but I did always play anyone that wanted to match up.....and I do mean anyone.
I believe if 'Two Shot Shoot Out' was re introduce in the correct way it would bring back a lot of interest to the game.....it's the pure way to play 9 Ball or 10 Ball. It's so sad that a game as great as 9 Ball has been diluted down to where it is today...it's not the game's fault, if they changed One Pocket to "one foul ball in hand" it would be silly too.
Here's a list of many of the American Players (there are hundreds more) that would be knowledgeable in the Art of 'Two Shot Shoot Out' - feel free to call any of them and ask what they think about the game.....Buddy Hall really likes SHOOT OUT and is one of the best of all time at this strategically challenging pocket billiard discipline.
I will give you some hints because I can tell you really want to learn, although the greatest examples and demonstrations must be on video to really see the strategic differences between the two games clearly.
It would be SO MUCH FUN to debate this with someone....{anyone for that matter} on streaming video setting up One Pocket examples and 'Two Shot Shoot Out' examples. I would bet very high on this or I'd do it for absolutely no money......from my experience it's always more enjoyable to gamble, that way no one can ever say they didn't try their hardest.
In 'Two Shot Shoot Out' you can roll out to ANY conceivable shot of any difficulty level. The choices are going to be to play safe, shoot at the shot, or execute a "two way shot" that mixes an offensive attempt at a pocket with a defensive component.
The "two way shots" are extremely challenging because you always have to play a particular side of the pocket with the correct speed. You also have to play the cue ball for position on the next ball AND use anther ball as a shield to guard against the pocket you're shooting at......this is how you create the "two way shot," by hooking the pocket you're shooting at, the catch is you have to play position on the next shot as well. Sound simple? I can show literally hundreds of these type shots ranging from the most extreme cut shots, to "one rail" banks, "two rail" banks and even three rail banks.
There's also a strong need to be able to carom another ball while you're shooting at the intended ball......to re position the caromed ball. This comes up to play safe, and re position another ball that may not be strategically apparent until the following shot...or maybe even a few shots later.
The kicker is that most of these shots are going to be made off the end rail, or a rail. When you are up against a champion player they will rarely roll out to anything off the rail UNLESS they are rolling out to a "jump shot"......."jump cues" are not allowed in this game so you must jump with the cue you are playing with (no break cues either).
Playing advanced "two way shots" that involve banking, cutting, caroms, plus a premium on cue ball control EVERY shot is quite a test in shot-making and overall pocket billiards ability. It takes many, many years to learn the game at this level and anyone that was a road players in the 80s will agree.
Also, I've played hundreds of opponents over the years and EVERY time it was the game of choice all over the country in the 70's and 80s. When this game was replaced by one foul ball in hand (instead of two foul ball in hand) the gambling in the country started to slow down.
Gamblers like strategic games and "One Foul" simply isn't that strategic. I've had a lot of success playing one foul ball in hand and was up against some of the all time best players in the world on a weekly basis. The truth of the matter is the game is just not much fun to play for me......however,
"When in Rome do as the Romans" so when the tournaments were "one foul" I played one foul....but for the big money matches we always played two shot ball in hand until the 90s....and then I played several big money matches using these rules against opponents like Efren Reyes, Bustamante, Johnny Archer, Tony Ellin, Rodney Morris, Rafael Martinez, and I didn't always win, but I did always play anyone that wanted to match up.....and I do mean anyone.
I believe if 'Two Shot Shoot Out' was re introduce in the correct way it would bring back a lot of interest to the game.....it's the pure way to play 9 Ball or 10 Ball. It's so sad that a game as great as 9 Ball has been diluted down to where it is today...it's not the game's fault, if they changed One Pocket to "one foul ball in hand" it would be silly too.
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Mr. Coyote, Sir,...I do NOT want to insult your intelligence level, but I am beginning to believe I am debating the original "RAIN MAN" ! (that's a movie, with Tom Cruise, and Dustin Hoffman) I say that, because the character Hoffman portrayed, had autistic talents, (like counting toothpicks and stuff) but was TOTALLY devoid of ANY other social skills ! (debating was out of the question)
He could barely carry on a lucid conversation, much less a DEBATE, with anybody !..If you asked the 'Rain Man', "What color is the sky"?, he would likely answer, "Judge Wopner comes on at 9:00" ! Sorry I felt the need to explain in such great detail, but you can see the comparison (or can you ?)
Example;.... I (Roadrunner) ask you, (Wil-e Coyote) "Why don't you 'bounce' when you take all those hard falls" ?..You answer with, "I'm a professional 9 ball player, and I like to play 2 shot fouls"!..Am I getting my point across ? Probably not, but like Tom Cruise's character, I have a lot of patience, and I keep on trying !
Now back to our debate..By the way, you should really learn to 'cut and paste' ! You have been extolling the virtues of 2sf fouls, over 1sf's (in 9 ball) for about your last 275 posts..You haven't even noticed, that I AGREE with you..You keep issuing the SAME idiotic challenge, EVERY post ! You have NEVER responded to my counter-challenge,so I will try, try again, to reach you ! Maybe, you just did not understand my offer !..(I think even 'Rain Man' might have gotten this one)
Originally posted by SJDinPHX
Lets take a poll of the top player's, who are familiar with BOTH games (9 ball & One Pocket) and let them each cast "ONE" vote, as to which game is more demanding, and harder to master.. I'm guessing there are probably only about 50 to 75 player's, who would fit this criteria, and I think we BOTH know who they are !..I would be willing to wager, that that the overwhelming majority, will choose one pocket !
Obviously, I'm not talking about "one pocket illiterates", Like Archer, Dechaine, or YOU, who detest one pocket !...I'm talking about guys like JJ, Buddy, Parica, Incardona, Duell, Efren, Alex, Busty, etc....Guys who have been around long enough, and have played BOTH games enough to make an informed decision !..By the way, give your hero, Buddy Hall a call on this subject (1P vs. 9B) I guarantee you, you will NOT like his opinion !
I honestly believe, (with an age restriction, of say 50 yrs. old) we could take a poll, right here on AZB !.. And despite all your 2000 post attempts at "brainwashing", It would yield very similar results, as a poll taken at OnePocket.org...And I think you know how badly that would turn out for you !
El RoadRunner
PS..Please try and absorb this post, so I don't have to re-post it in a few hours !...I have lots more to say, but I didn't want to overload your brain 'cell' ! :wink:
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Could it also be because Hoffman had a lot of money Tom/you want?
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So are Chris and CJ gonna play?
I will play anyone on this list
I will play anyone on this list in our upcoming streaming video/TV Series or anyone from the USA that comes to Ft. Worth Texas with three days notice.....We are designing a new billiard club and it's not possible for me to travel to play pool, and I honestly wouldn't want to.
I will play anyone on this list in our upcoming streaming video/TV Series or anyone from the USA that comes to Ft. Worth Texas with three days notice.....We are designing a new billiard club and it's not possible for me to travel to play pool, and I honestly wouldn't want to.
Once again..A NON-ANSWER !..He launches right into his 2-shot foul speech !...(Are you REAL SURE you are not the Rain Man ?)
Yes, I know what 'autism' is, and I am trying to be delicate about it !
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your signature is absurd...
OK then !...I'll pick you up in my new car, and we can hit a few spots ! (You drive)
