He has to bet SJD's "chips"
He has to bet SJD's "chips"...and play 'Two Shot Shoot Out' of course. :groucho:
He has to bet SJD's "chips"...and play 'Two Shot Shoot Out' of course. :groucho:
Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM
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"so you've got only 140 barstools in stock b/w now & MAR 15? i'll order 250 right now w/ $$$$$ on the table, if you can ship-complete by next week."
Dammit, man! Git up and DANCE!!
The TOI Version in "Shoot Out" Color Coordinated Patterns
The TOI Version in Leather, or regular Vinyl?
The TOI Version in Leather, or regular Vinyl?
here's what i've got to accomodate you:
140 - bst, black leather - in stock
100 - bst, black PPM - in stock
050 - bst, black vinyl - in stock
(no one will ever know the difference)
OR
i can air-freight from China & drop-ship the balance 110 - bst, black leather @ 3 days ETA @ $8K freight. and ship as-ready. and hit your install date.
TERMS: 100% PP&A; offer expires @ 24 hrs
deal?
Banks
Banned
I'd get a personal guarantee if I were you. :sorry:
That reminds me of a story I was once told:
That reminds me of a story I was once told:
The story was about a farmer
who lived in Africa and through a visitor became tremendously excited
about looking for diamonds. Diamonds were already discovered in abundance
on the African continent and this farmer got so excited about the idea
of millions of dollars worth of diamonds that he sold his farm to head
out to the diamond line.
He wandered all over the continent, as the
years slipped by, constantly searching for diamonds, wealth, which he
never found. Eventually he went completely broke and threw himself into
a river and drowned.
Meanwhile, the new owner of his farm picked up an unusual looking rock
about the size of a country egg and put it on his mantle as a sort of
curiosity. A visitor stopped by and in viewing the rock practically went
into terminal convulsions.
He told the new owner of the farm that the
funny looking rock on his mantle was about the biggest diamond that had
ever been found. The new owner of the farm said, "Heck, the whole farm
is covered with them" - and sure enough it was.
The farm turned out to be the Kimberly Diamond Mine...the richest the
world has ever known. The original farmer was literally standing on
"Acres of Diamonds" until he sold his farm.
That reminds me of a story I was once told:
The story was about a farmer
who lived in Africa and through a visitor became tremendously excited
about looking for diamonds. Diamonds were already discovered in abundance
on the African continent and this farmer got so excited about the idea
of millions of dollars worth of diamonds that he sold his farm to head
out to the diamond line.
He wandered all over the continent, as the
years slipped by, constantly searching for diamonds, wealth, which he
never found. Eventually he went completely broke and threw himself into
a river and drowned.
Meanwhile, the new owner of his farm picked up an unusual looking rock
about the size of a country egg and put it on his mantle as a sort of
curiosity. A visitor stopped by and in viewing the rock practically went
into terminal convulsions.
He told the new owner of the farm that the
funny looking rock on his mantle was about the biggest diamond that had
ever been found. The new owner of the farm said, "Heck, the whole farm
is covered with them" - and sure enough it was.
The farm turned out to be the Kimberly Diamond Mine...the richest the
world has ever known. The original farmer was literally standing on
"Acres of Diamonds" until he sold his farm.
Switching to shoot out rules isn't going to make this game any more popular in the US.
It's not the rules we play by that makes pool so unpopular, it's the game we play.
We live in a society that is much more interested in sports like football, baseball, basketball, etc. Even boring sports like golf hold the general public's interest more than pool.
The first and really only priority to at least make an attempt at getting pool back in the mainstream is to have one governing body. One pro tour and higher payouts with the help of large sponsors. If somebody can make that happen, then the rules and game are pretty much irrelevant.
It's not the rules we play by that makes pool so unpopular, it's the game we play.
We live in a society that is much more interested in sports like football, baseball, basketball, etc. Even boring sports like golf hold the general public's interest more than pool.
The first and really only priority to at least make an attempt at getting pool back in the mainstream is to have one governing body. One pro tour and higher payouts with the help of large sponsors. If somebody can make that happen, then the rules and game are pretty much irrelevant.
Please don't make the game more popular.
Don't worry, no one's switching to anything that will make the game more popular.
Don't worry, no one's switching to anything that will make the game more popular.
So maybe instead of alternating break you play equal turns at the table. Race to 9. Player A breaks and runs 9 racks. Player B then gets to break and see if he can run 9 racks. Doubt that would happen very often. Instead of having alternating breaks maybe come up with a way players can have high runs. While still giving his opponent a chance to do the same.
GoldenFlash
Banned
I disagree. I have an opinion also.Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
IMO CJ's whacked out notions are the very worst thing for pool. Thankfully he is probably as bereft in financial backing as he is in modern TV business acumen or his ideas might just put the "hammer stroke" on the heads of the last nails in the pool coffin.
FWIW there were two so-so pros playing a race to 30 8-ball out in Vegas this weekend that went almost 5 hours. Somebody said they were actually U.S. Open 9-ball champions, but I find that hard to believe since I heard one of them say, "This game is too hard."
I am a 75 year old shortstop in perfect health, not overweight, BP 125/80 and my eyes were recently examined at 20/20 with no trace of cataracts or anything else. As for my nerves, I never really had any problem with that...I always said I play just as bad for fun as I do for money so it was no big deal. (I won the Southeastern Championship for Getting Out of Line on the Money Ball contest for 5 straight years)
I recently took a gamble and bought CJ's CD.
The sections on pre-shot routine were worth the price of it all. As he says, if you line up the way he teaches, you just can't hardly do it wrong. Most of the time, that ball is going into the pocket, IF you do not get lazy and go back to the "old way with which you robbed Wimpy, Don Willis, etc.etc.etc. (*fill in other names here while cutting up more jackpots*) View attachment 301814.
The error he's made, I think, is in calling it a "system". The word "system" scares a lot of the old stuck in the past players. It's not a system at all. The entire deal is just an excellent way to do the necessary things for being a better CONSISTENT player.
That Touch of Inside, by the way, was used back in the 50's by a player out of Atlanta by the name of Danny Jones...he let a lot of us in on it back then, but as smart aleck know-it-all punk ass hustlers we dismissed it. That's a lot of years wasted.
CJ has done a fantastic job of putting what you call "whacked out notions" into a series of essential procedures that really WORK. To put it together is going to require some hard sincere effort, maybe 10 hours scattered over a few days (if you can already play good)...and then it suddenly does a mind-click and the balls start flying in the holes. Especially when you begin to understand the concept of "all shots are the same shot" (which I thought was insane at first) and the transition from center aim to edge aim followed up by tweaking with the touch of inside.
I salute him for this information and for those with an open mind who will actually TRY IT....there is joy ahead. The improvement will be astonishing.
Just my opinion...so now you can beat me up too.
Regards, Flash
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Races to 5 (best out of 3 sets)
1st set - Player A gets all the breaks
2nd set Player B gets all the breaks
3rd set (if needed) - Alternate break
Let's say it goes 3 sets, and each set is hill-hill. That's a total of 27 games. Only 6 more games than a hill-hill match at the US Open. In a 64 player field, it could still be over in plenty of time.
Maybe even make the finals a best out of 5 sets.
No, I meant that I thought your joke was funny, hence the "haha" and this:
:grin-square:
Thanks for the reminder of "Handsome Danny" and some of the old schoolers,
Yes, Flash, "Handsome Danny Jones" knew the "old school" art of pool I met him on a few occasions early in my career and he was fun to be around. Back then the players wouldn't share their stuff unless you were in their inner circle of partners/friends.
Wade Crane told me that I played similar to Lassiter's style more than anyone. Wade also used the "dead ball" way of playing and used the TOI on cut shots, but didn't utilize it as much as I do.....he did favor a side of the pocket and force into the center, and used a similar technique on his devastating break shot.
I'm glad you liked my series on the Pre Shot Routine, and you're right, many pool players get up tight when they hear the word "system"......although I do believe they are overly sensitive, we all have a system for using a fork and spoon when it comes right down to it.
Thanks for the reminder of "Handsome Danny" and some of the old schoolers, that's where much of my knowledge came from. The only reason I have a good perspective of the game is because I had some GIANT'S shoulders to stand on. I'm very lucky indeed and fortunate to be able to share these things at this time.
Play Well, and Continued Success, Flash
Yes, Flash, "Handsome Danny Jones" knew the "old school" art of pool I met him on a few occasions early in my career and he was fun to be around. Back then the players wouldn't share their stuff unless you were in their inner circle of partners/friends.
Wade Crane told me that I played similar to Lassiter's style more than anyone. Wade also used the "dead ball" way of playing and used the TOI on cut shots, but didn't utilize it as much as I do.....he did favor a side of the pocket and force into the center, and used a similar technique on his devastating break shot.
I'm glad you liked my series on the Pre Shot Routine, and you're right, many pool players get up tight when they hear the word "system"......although I do believe they are overly sensitive, we all have a system for using a fork and spoon when it comes right down to it.
Thanks for the reminder of "Handsome Danny" and some of the old schoolers, that's where much of my knowledge came from. The only reason I have a good perspective of the game is because I had some GIANT'S shoulders to stand on. I'm very lucky indeed and fortunate to be able to share these things at this time.
Play Well, and Continued Success, Flash
the situations are always strategic and challenging because the situations are .....
Touche' - my bad
I do believe 8 Ball lacks the type of strategy that commentators can relay to the general public.
The Shoot Out Type Game has the best opportunity for a "boxing" like situation where the players are battling for a shot....and it's easy for the audience to understand how the fight is developing because there's just one target ball and the shot situations are controlled by the players because one ball is stationary and the other one is "rolled out" into an exact position.
Therefore the situations are always strategic and challenging because the situations are basically "staged". For the most part the player is usually going to have to come with a hard shot off the end rail or a tough bank/cut to start their run EVERY time. Seldom will there be a "ball in hand".
If someone hasn't played 'Two Shot Shoot Out' that last paragraph won't make much sense, in this case put it on the shelf and leave it available. The game is a tremendous amount of fun to play, but there's a learning curve and several headaches a player has to go through to play the game well. No one can possibly know the thousands of variations right away, it takes many hours to be able to evaluate the percentages of each situation accurately.
Touche' - my bad
I do believe 8 Ball lacks the type of strategy that commentators can relay to the general public.
The Shoot Out Type Game has the best opportunity for a "boxing" like situation where the players are battling for a shot....and it's easy for the audience to understand how the fight is developing because there's just one target ball and the shot situations are controlled by the players because one ball is stationary and the other one is "rolled out" into an exact position.
Therefore the situations are always strategic and challenging because the situations are basically "staged". For the most part the player is usually going to have to come with a hard shot off the end rail or a tough bank/cut to start their run EVERY time. Seldom will there be a "ball in hand".
If someone hasn't played 'Two Shot Shoot Out' that last paragraph won't make much sense, in this case put it on the shelf and leave it available. The game is a tremendous amount of fun to play, but there's a learning curve and several headaches a player has to go through to play the game well. No one can possibly know the thousands of variations right away, it takes many hours to be able to evaluate the percentages of each situation accurately.
Flash, you misunderstood. I got no beef with CJ's way of playing. He was a GD champion for Christ's sake. I bought CJ's stuff, but I also started playing around with the TOI concept when he first brought it up here over a year ago. I like it, even though it works for me different than he explains it. So I got no problem with all that.
It's CJ's bizarre ideas about saving pro pool that I think are way off, not his playing philosophies. He ain't changing shit any more than Larry Chiborak is changing pool with Bonus Ball. He'll do more harm than good, but he probably figures since he can play better than everybody (except Bartram of course) he can tell John Q. Public what he wants to watch on TV and that just ain't gonna work.
we had millions of viewers watching this show we did with the WPBA.
You have every right to think my ideas are bizarre and it's probably going to take some "out of the box" thinking to actually turn this hopeless situation around. With that being said it's easier to understand why I know my ideas MUST be bizarre to actually work.
I do have experience in doing the events I speak of, and CLICK HERE to see what were were doing back in the mid 90's.....we had millions of viewers watching this show we did with the WPBA. We will be doing much different productions, however this ESPN production is still better than anything going on these days......and everything else in TV is better....much better!
Sure, anyone can scoff at these events, and what we have in mind now is much more advanced because the technology we have now is WAY BETTER. We have access to the most advanced studios and equipment now for reasonable prices. There are cameras now the size of a pool cue tip that has High Definition Quality capacity.....the sky's the limit in creative things we can do these days.
Dallas Texas is like a mini Hollywood these days and there's many producers that could make Pocket Billiards a major game through a reality show......someone is going to do it, I don't know for sure it will be us, but someone will take this HUGE opportunity.
You have every right to think my ideas are bizarre and it's probably going to take some "out of the box" thinking to actually turn this hopeless situation around. With that being said it's easier to understand why I know my ideas MUST be bizarre to actually work.
I do have experience in doing the events I speak of, and CLICK HERE to see what were were doing back in the mid 90's.....we had millions of viewers watching this show we did with the WPBA. We will be doing much different productions, however this ESPN production is still better than anything going on these days......and everything else in TV is better....much better!
Sure, anyone can scoff at these events, and what we have in mind now is much more advanced because the technology we have now is WAY BETTER. We have access to the most advanced studios and equipment now for reasonable prices. There are cameras now the size of a pool cue tip that has High Definition Quality capacity.....the sky's the limit in creative things we can do these days.
Dallas Texas is like a mini Hollywood these days and there's many producers that could make Pocket Billiards a major game through a reality show......someone is going to do it, I don't know for sure it will be us, but someone will take this HUGE opportunity.
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CJ, I'm sorry to keep coming off as so negative, but the whole situation is just so pathetic right now it's downright sad. I don't have the answer and never claimed to, but I have a much better understanding of how the non-playing public feels about the game because I'm a lot closer to where they come from. I agree that they need to become students of the game, so why pick a complicated game to teach them about? I actually believe that would be a fatal flaw in any bid for success in professional pool.