Mosconi Updates Please

Next years set up:

Team Europe vs Team North America vs Team Asia

6 matches/day:
- 2x Europe vs N America
- 2x Europe vs Asia
- 2x Asia vs N America

First to win 9 matches is champion.

But I'll just dream on..
 
I only have a few minutes because I have to get ready for the HOF dinner but I will pass on a couple of quick observations:

IMO there is a huge difference in how the Euros are playing as a team and how the Americans are (not).

The Euros are focused in on the table and their match at hand. A couple of the Americans seem more preoccupied with what's going on in the friends and family seating area, frequently looking around instead of remaining focused on the table.

Earl is already chirping and has already mutter words about how they're easy when their hanging in the hole instead of needing to shoot jacked up.

Buddy is on a scooter. For a while he was back in the camera area and then spent some time on the aisle near the rack area and then I didn't see him.

The AZ crowd was in the front row behind from where the players were breaking.

Most of the usual suspects are here.

Could be a short week the way things are going...

Lou Figueroa

There's an eurotour-event starting on Thursday...

With the paydays in pool nowadays, don't be surprised if the europeans have decided to try to play both Mosconi and Eurotour.
 
Well, I can dig up the prior posts long before this event started where I said flat out that Dennis was the wrong pick for the MC this year. I said months ago that Corey was robbed and that the American team would pay for that choice.

I called this long before it happened. It was not hard to see coming.

As a fan of pool I WANT America to be a strong presence in the sport because I think the USA is a crucial place to attract both fans and players for the future of the sport. That is why the state of pool in America ticks me off so much and I become so vocal about it at times like this.

Just imagine what it would be like if not for one single player, SVB, who is now almost single handed carrying the future of the sport for the entire USA. Without him who would the USA have to pin their hopes for the future on? Mike Dechaine? Landon Shuffet? Seriously, there is no one else. SVB is basically Atlas carrying the entire hopes of American pool squarely on his shoulders. That HAS to get kinda heavy for him, don't you think?

I was right there with you, and it certainly isn't meant to be disrespectful towards Hatch.

There comes a point when you have to ask yourself what's more important, being entertained or winning?
 
I root for the home team as much as the next guy, but lets be real, USA fans are out of their mind if they think we EVER had a chance. EVER. We reallly only have one guy who can win against them, SVB. He plays all those guys and will have a winning record most of the time, the rest of team USA, not so much.

Too bad, pool here is not dying people, its been dead for a few years. We need a real pool tour, like the PGA, with events, sponsers, promotors, and players who are out for one thing, and one thing only, to make the sport as good as possible. Unfortunilty we have far to many ME ME ME ME folks in our sport.

That's not true.
SVB, ARCHER, EARL, can beat any of those guys. They are 3 of the top 5 playing in this.
On the other hand we do have by far the 2 laziest and worse players of the 10 playing.

IMO, hatch and Morris should have been a scotch team, expected to lose anyhow, so why weaken both scotch teams. And they are both lefties which helps them also.

I've gambled playin scotch doubles before, 5 dimes a set giving a guy the 7, which I did on my own ordinarily, my partner gave him more weight then that. But the fact that I am right handed and my partner was a lefty makes a huge difference. If you think it does not try it out sometimes, your on the wrong side of the table most of the time.
 
By the way hatch was solid in 2000 and before, he is no longer that player. Where Earl and archer still play at a very high level. It's time to move on, Hatchs days are over.

NFL bout to start thank god. Monday night football.
 
Europe has 5 points. Team USA has none. A bloodbath. Somewhat unexpected because Europe is most definitely not at full strength.

Kind of amazing but team Europe could probably build 3 separate teams with all different players that would all be a favorite against the best the USA could offer.

Players not on the team include

Hohmann
Melling
Shaw
Ekonomopoulos
Van Den Berg
Peach
Ouschan
Ortmann
Burford
See

I could build two teams out of those extra guys and the USA team would be hard pressed to beat either team.

On the other hand try to go two or three teams deep into the USA's pool of players and see how they look on paper against the top 5 Euros...
 
There comes a point when you have to ask yourself what's more important, being entertained or winning?

That is one of the biggest dangers. How many years in a row will it take of team USA getting beat like a red headed step child before the Mosconi Cup starts to lose the interest of the fans? When the outcome of the match becomes a forgone conclusion keeping the fan interest becomes a very real and serious concern that Matchroom I am sure has. They chose a slightly weaker team for Europe this year then they had to and they might have done so in order to attempt to balance things out a bit but it clearly was not nearly enough.

Fans like to watch sports where the outcome is close, where they are on the edge of their seat and the match is tight. This was a simple butt kicking that took place today and while the pool fanatics of AZB might still be watching what about all of those fans this sport so desperately needs to start attracting? Is this type of event going to build the sport or is it actually going to hurt it?

The Mosconi Cup is the most watched pool event by fans of only moderate interest in the sport, it has a chance to grow interest in those fringe fans, or it can act to erode interest and make the sport look like a farce. I am truly afraid that what Team USA is doing year in and year out in this event actually has negative consequences on the long term growth of pool.
 
I see that guy from NYC in the audience with the white beard, an older, slender gentleman. He usually travels with Jose Parica. I can't remember this name.

JAM his name is Larry Ross, a very good pool man, loves pool and the players and big action!

Larry has a great story about when Parica played Geese, Larry talked very good about Geese as a pool player.

Larry tells the story about Geese and Parica playing for big money at Bill and billies in Glen Burnie, that Geese had hIm stuck , But Larry know they were going to get the money soon as the coke was all gone.

Iam pretty sure Larry said that Geese was the toughest 1 pocket player that Parica had played up until that time!

Larry goes on to tell how Parica beat everybody he played up until he meet Geese, Parica did win, but it wasnt anything like Larry expected!
 
Go USA! Well we have to see if the USA can recover! I hope so but seems very shaky at best.

No coach can get Earl (the nut job) under control! Too bad! He really spoils everything for everyone! Plays great but sucks!!!

Sorry Earl lovers!
 
Kind of amazing but team Europe could probably build 3 separate teams with all different players that would all be a favorite against the best the USA could offer.

Players not on the team include

Hohmann
Melling
Shaw
Ekonomopoulos
Van Den Berg
Peach
Ouschan
Ortmann
Burford
See

I could build two teams out of those extra guys and the USA team would be hard pressed to beat either team.

On the other hand try to go two or three teams deep into the USA's pool of players and see how they look on paper against the top 5 Euros...

If this continues much longer, team Europe will either have to play with a handicap or send in the juniors. Maybe 18 and under. Not sure how this be made to be a competitive match. As much as I wanted team USA to win this year, I've been saying all along that it isn't possible.
 
I don't remember what tournaments were used to determine points for selection on last year's teams.

If anyone does remember, is there a way to figure out who would have been on the team this year had selections been determined by points instead of entertainment value?
 
I was just able to catch the last two matches when i got home. What really stood out to me is the lack of team among the americans. Where is the captain? Where is the supposedly co-captain? On every win the euros all congratulate their guy; they are all siting together into every hit. The Americans don't seem like it at all. We had better get our sh*t together quick or we might not win any games. I was embarrassed watching the two matches that I did. We didn't seem like we even wanted to be there. The euros clearly have the confidence; all of them say their captain is an asset that keeps them fired up and on their game. I hope it switches around and becomes a game; I really would like to see USA win this but damn it is looking like we're already defeated and its day one. Hope they prove me wrong.
 
So the USA just got horse f@&$ed on day one. What is the strategy for day two? I have to think they should put up earl early in the day for a singles match. Tomorrow I think they need to lean heavily on Shane and Earl.
 
Please include Team Asia in the next year's edition, it will bring more balance and will give Europe a run for its money. Also like the idea of combing all of North America (USA + Canada). 3 Teams, for all the marbles.

Side note, before there was World Cup of Pool, I wrote to Barry Hearn asking to include Asia into Mosconi Cup. Not expecting any reply, Luke Riches replied and said they will plan for a world tournament which eventually brought about the WCOP. Cool to know I maybe one (even for a little) of the reasons why WCOP came about.

Again, Team Asia, considering only PH (3x) and CHINA (2x) are the only multiple winners of WCOP.
 
A young guns team would have done better!

Brandon shuff
Jeremy sossei
Corey deuel
Jesse engle
Svb
John Schmidt
Danny Harriman





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So the USA just got horse f@&$ed on day one. What is the strategy for day two? I have to think they should put up earl early in the day for a singles match. Tomorrow I think they need to lean heavily on Shane and Earl.

Earl is the last guy you want to be leaning on if you want him playing well and not imploding.
 
So the USA just got horse f@&$ed on day one. What is the strategy for day two? I have to think they should put up earl early in the day for a singles match. Tomorrow I think they need to lean heavily on Shane and Earl.

I agree and bring a good team attitude !
 
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