Pool Is One Of The Hardest Games

JB Cases said:
I disagree that you don't need any athleticism to play pool. That's simply not true. Anytime an activity requires stamina and dexterity then that activity requires some degree of athleticism. ]
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Of course, it requires some, just not much. I taught a 60 yr old woman to play pool a few years ago, she was tired of her male buddies at the "home" pounding her ( no pun intended) and they were about to join an APA league together..... she is pounding them now. She is 62 and an APA 4 and doing quite well competing with pool players 30 years younger then she.

If she had asked what else do I teach, and if I told her I'm a baseball coach, and provide hitting and fielding lessons, I would have told her there is not enough money I would take to bother trying to teach her.......

I charge more twice as much for baseball lessons as I do for pool lessons, I usually am not in the habit of turning down anyone's money, but I'm also not gonna steal it either....and thus why I have to tell some parents, sorry, your kid is NOT going to be getting a college scholarship, and he might need to start studying more :)
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Of course, it requires some, just not much. I taught a 60 yr old woman to play pool a few years ago, she was tired of her male buddies at the "home" pounding her ( no pun intended) and they were about to join an APA league together..... she is pounding them now. She is 62 and an APA 4 and doing quite well competing with pool players 30 years younger then she.

If she had asked what else do I teach, and if I told her I'm a baseball coach, and provide hitting and fielding lessons, I would have told her there is not enough money I would take to bother trying to teach her.......

I charge more twice as much for baseball lessons as I do for pool lessons, I usually am not in the habit of turning down anyone's money, but I'm also not gonna steal it either....and thus why I have to tell some parents, sorry, your kid is NOT going to be getting a college scholarship, and he might need to start studying more :)
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I think that the point where you have to tell a parent that is the point where you know the kid doesn't really WANT to play high level baseball. IMO. Because I think that if a kid did really want it then they would put in whatever effort it took to do that and you as a coach would reward that effort with your mentoring.

I think also we should understand that we are talking about different levels. Pool at high levels requires some fine motor control. Pool at average levels not so much. I just sold a case to a man who is 70 and who started playing when he was 66. He is currently one of the best shooters in his area and loves the game intensely. He devours everything he can learn about the game. Certainly he is not going to be physically capable of spending an hour on the court with 20 year olds but he can spend an hour on the table with any of them. I didn't mean to say it requires as much or more than any other sport just that it does in fact require some athletic ability even if it's not sweat inducing strenuous.

AND as I always say, if you are not sweating when you are playing then you are not betting enough.

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SJDinPHX said:
You know, sometimes I feel like this is NOT really a pool forum, comprised of 'hard core' pool enthusiast's !..There are a few, such as yourself and Chi-RJ, that make me feel like I may have wandered off into a chess forum or something ??? :rolleyes:
May I ask, when you feel like making me wrong in my belief's, does that mean you also think Jay Helfert, The Beard, CJ, Incardona, Buddy Hall, and all the other guys saying the same thing, are full of crap ?..

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SJD, just because this is a pool forum, does not mean we should all agree. I mean, if the OP said pool is one tough b1tch to learn, I prolly would not even be here. but to say it is one of the toughest EVER.... yikes :)

And I can find some HOF baseball and football players that say their sport is harder than pool, I really doubt you will give their word much weight, would you ?

And I have been arguing with Beard since I was a teenager, as I grew up in the poolroom that my dad and he owned together. Ask him, he will tell ya what a smart arse I was . But of course, I''m a changed man now :)

I love pool, I play in leagues, I play in tourneys, I've played in Vegas, I've played in DCC twice, I will be at Red Shoes on Saturday for the 1pk tourney, I have a 9 foot table in my basement, I collect signed billiard balls, I was Earl's "cornerman" at the Bad Blood event, and I'm an ACS advanced instructor, I give free lessons at the local teen center every month, started/ran one of the biggest ACS leagues in the Chicago area, and I hung out with some of pools "elites", like Beard, Bugs, Artie, Billy, etc..... so, please don't assume because I'm taking a stance that is counter to yours that I'm just some lonely internet pool knocker and NOT the POOL NUT that I am :)
 
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one stroke said:
I guess my dumb ass does not know what any amount is:confused:

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The amount is fine, $100 per set. I would like it if you would be willing to post five set's worth, that's 5x100. But if you can't afford that then I completely understand and will still be willing to come and play you when it's convenient for me to do so. Please understand that I consider you to be one of the most awful people on the forum so I would be completely irresponsible to consider giving you any of my expo time over my many friends that I only get to see during the expo.

But when I am passing through your location I will be happy to take an hour out to play you one set if that's all you can afford or are willing to bet. Either I win some lunch money or not but I think it's a good shot that I win based on your postings.
 
JB Cases said:
I think that the point where you have to tell a parent that is the point where you know the kid doesn't really WANT to play high level baseball. IMO. Because I think that if a kid did really want it then they would put in whatever effort it took to do that and you as a coach would reward that effort with your mentoring.
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Not necessarily true, some kids just don't have the eye, or the hand quickness to succeed in the game... We are you gonna put a short, slow left handed kid that can't pitch in college baseball ??

The only spots open are the OF, but he's too slow, and you can improve your speed, a little through specialized training, but a slow guy will always be a slow guy...he just won't be the slowest guy. I mean, the kid was a decent hitter, but most colleges are not giving scholarships away for the DH position for only "decent", that position requires a whole lot of power...And what about the other kids with a great glove, and run like the dickens, but just does not have the hand quickness to catch up to a 80 mph plus fastball thrown in a varsity HS game.... in a batting cage, lots of guys can catch up cause they are "guessing" and "cheating", and know the exact height it's coming everytime....

But this kid loves the game, and heck, I even told him there are leagues made for 18 year olds and up... the MABL, and he can play until he's 65 if he wants..... so he never had to give up the game, he just has to give up the idea that someone is gonna pay him to do it :)

PS: My son tries out for his HS team next month (freshman). He works out 3 to 4 days a week, weights and cardio designed specifically for baseball players... and then 3 days a week indoors to practice fielding, throwing, pitching, and batting..... But one bad tryout, and he's NOT on the team... he would be pissed to say the least, but he understands, you have to be able to give your best under a lot of pressure.....

There are NO guarantees just because you want something bad enough...
 
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JB Cases said:
The amount is fine, $100 per set. I would like it if you would be willing to post five set's worth, that's 5x100. But if you can't afford that then I completely understand and will still be willing to come and play you when it's convenient for me to do so. Please understand that I consider you to be one of the most awful people on the forum so I would be completely irresponsible to consider giving you any of my expo time over my many friends that I only get to see during the expo.

But when I am passing through your location I will be happy to take an hour out to play you one set if that's all you can afford or are willing to bet. Either I win some lunch money or not but I think it's a good shot that I win based on your postings.
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Well if your opinion of me meant anything I would not fire rounds across your bow ,,however since you have tried on many occasions to belittle me because my beliefs don't align with yours I have no problem with it ,,, but I'm not the only one am I John its seems you have similar problems with many on this site ,, take a gander at my postings which I'm sure you have and tell me John how many other people do I argue to the extent that I do you ,,
How many times have you been banned of this site and how many other sites like one pocket . org do you offend people
Your right John its all me

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I always thought golf was tougher than pool to get good at. Shot in high 70's in golf several times and was a decent short stop in pool 15 yrs ago.
 
one stroke said:
Well if your opinion of me meant anything I would not fire rounds across your bow ,,however since you have tried on many occasions to belittle me because my beliefs don't align with yours I have no problem with it ,,, but I'm not the only one am I John its seems you have similar problems with many on this site ,, take a gander at my postings which I'm sure you have and tell me John how many other people do I argue to the extent that I do you ,,
How many times have you been banned of this site and how many other sites like one pocket . org do you offend people
Your right John its all me

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Does this mean we can't play? I just find you to be a horrible person. Still though I would be happy to see where I stand with you if I happen to be in your town and have an hour or so to kill. You're not the only horrible person out of the 40k members here just the one I happen to be conversing with at the moment.

As for being banned, I have been put in the corner several times for speaking my mind. Now I know how how to do it. I was never banned for making racist and bigoted comments as you were.

Anyway, as I said I agree with you that it's all genetic, even if the scientific evidence points otherwise in most cases. I agree that some people are just genetically stupid and that you seem to be an example of that. See, I can change my mind.

Now, can we play in your hometown on your pet table or not?
 
JB Cases said:
Does this mean we can't play? I just find you to be a horrible person. Still though I would be happy to see where I stand with you if I happen to be in your town and have an hour or so to kill. You're not the only horrible person out of the 40k members here just the one I happen to be conversing with at the moment.

As for being banned, I have been put in the corner several times for speaking my mind. Now I know how how to do it. I was never banned for making racist and bigoted comments as you were.

Anyway, as I said I agree with you that it's all genetic, even if the scientific evidence points otherwise in most cases. I agree that some people are just genetically stupid and that you seem to be an example of that. See, I can change my mind.

Now, can we play in your hometown on your pet table or not?
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How ironic I was just coming around to your way of thinking because genetically someone can not reach your level of stupidity without at least 10,000 hrs of practice
You have finally proven a point ,,,

Yep come in down we can play over at Bobby's place since I'm obviously no where near your caliber after you beat me you and him can hook up for the high stakes gambling that you claim to love so much

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one stroke said:
How ironic I was just coming around to your way of thinking because genetically someone can not reach your level of stupidity without at least 10,000 hrs of practice
You have finally proven a point ,,,

Yep come in down we can play over at Bobby's place since I'm obviously no where near your caliber after you beat me you and him can hook up for the high stakes gambling that you claim to love so much

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You finally made a funny. Blind squirrels and nuts and all that... did you have help?

Bobby can get played. AFTER he apologizes to my wife.
 
just got lucky......

one stroke said:
One Tourney win does not make u the best in the world
Are you suggesting he was better than Earl ,,, I hardly think so
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I guess we all get lucky once in a while.....;)

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he's never out of a match, no matter what the score is

JB Cases said:
It does at that moment. CJ is one of the best players that has ever played the game though. Most bonafide champions I know have a TON of respect for CJ's game then AND now.

Was/is CJ "better" than Earl? In tournament victories no, as a road player, maybe as good. Who knows? Both of them are elite players and both can speak about pool from a perspective that you can't even dream of attaining.

You would have a better shot of climbing Mt. Everest naked and surviving before you could do what CJ has done in pool Mark.
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Earl and I have played many times for a LOT of money.....I've been very fortunate against him, I don't think anyone was the favorite against Earl in his prime. I put a "7" and a "3" on him in the US OPEN one time (race to 11) and I still thought he might come back and beat me.....he's never out of a match, no matter what the score is (unless he loses interest).
 
CJ Wiley said:
Earl and I have played many times for a LOT of money.....I've been very fortunate against him, I don't think anyone was the favorite against Earl in his prime. I put a "7" and a "3" on him in the US OPEN one time (race to 11) and I still thought he might come back and beat me.....he's never out of a match, no matter what the score is (unless he loses interest).
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I have some very good success against more than a couple of guys that are better players than me that I can't really explain ,, maybe it was my style of play or maybe I got in their head who knows but against the field he was far better
There for I don't measure a player by head to head match ups


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one stroke said:
I have some very good success against more than a couple of guys that are better players than me that I can't really explain ,, maybe it was my style of play or maybe I got in their head who knows but against the field he was far better
There for I don't measure a player by head to head match ups


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Your stories don't count. In pool you are a super nobody. No one is going to write about you in magazines or seek you out for interviews. How you measure a player is of zero consequence as is everything you think or know about playing pool. You, like most of us, are a banger with a banger's perspective, which is very limited.
 
consistency is important

one stroke said:
I have some very good success against more than a couple of guys that are better players than me that I can't really explain ,, maybe it was my style of play or maybe I got in their head who knows but against the field he was far better
There for I don't measure a player by head to head match ups
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Yes, consistency is important as well....Efren did beat me in the Finals, however, I got lucky to win against him in the California State Championships.

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JB Cases said:
Your stories don't count. In pool you are a super nobody. No one is going to write about you in magazines or seek you out for interviews. How you measure a player is of zero consequence as is everything you think or know about playing pool. You, like most of us, are a banger with a banger's perspective, which is very limited.
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Any idiot even you knows this to be true it happens in all sports ,, I'm sure you can dig up some scientific research that bares this out ,,
I guess anyone who knows sports has to be a previous pro ,,
Your something its know wonder why so many people don't like you
You don't know squat about my pool gambling the only thing you know is what I have put out there for public knowledge
If I were you I would not be wasting one second on this forum I would be putting every second I could into my banger 1 pocket game so I don't do what I do best that being making a fool out of my self ,, but old habits die hard

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