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Every Player can pull great shots sometimes. The things that make great players great is that they can make it every time.

This guy did some great shots, but then missed some really easy ones. Besides, he really put himself in bad positions.

This thing was so fun, I'm thinking about doing my own video! :grin-square:
 
Interesting....

osama said:
Every Player can pull great shots sometimes. The things that make great players great is that they can make it every time.

This guy did some great shots, but then missed some really easy ones. Besides, he really put himself in bad positions.

This thing was so fun, I'm thinking about doing my own video! :grin-square:
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osama,
I get the feeling we might know each other.........."Willie, is that you??"
 
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I didn't watch the entire thing, but viewed parts of each rack. I can't imagine someone practicing that long without putting 100% into at least one rack. I would guess that is the way he plays. An APA 4 or C.
 
David you are messing up the quotes. You asked in your OP if experience and region affected clocking ability. That's why I told you where I'm from and my experiences. That wasn't a guess as to where you are from, it was complying with your OP.
 
Wileydog said:
I didn't watch the entire thing, but viewed parts of each rack. I can't imagine someone practicing that long without putting 100% into at least one rack. I would guess that is the way he plays. An APA 4 or C.
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With the light speed he was hitting balls, he would end up an APA 3 out here. No position play, no feel for speed, and poor shot making abilities. APA 4 at best. The 5's out here would tear him apart.

C- / D+ player at best.
 
Now that you know this....

This is not a put on in anyway. My point is while you are practicing, do you recognize shots that come up often and experiment with attempting them or power stroking certain shots. If you don't try them in practice then when do you?
Identifying the shots and attempting them is in direct correlation with your level of play and your perception of your level of play. If you don't see the shot then you can't attempt it. Remember,.. The game is supposed to be fun.
As far as player rankings go, regional C player with occasional bursts of C+\B-. However, is it possible that anyone's playing level and their knowledge level are not necessarily or ever the same? It all comes down to execution.....I might play like a C but my brain and eyes see things as an A.
As for APA rankings.....I played APA at two different times over the years. Back in the 80's when it was "Busch Pool League" (played as a 7) ,before a lot of you were born,back in the glory days of bar room pool and again in the early 2000's when I also played as a 7 on a 9 footer.




Originally Posted by David Marcus
This has been a very interesting exercise in one's observation skills. Some of you, very few, picked up on certain things that raised your eyebrows while others were totally in the dark. How many D players that you know practice with an Accu-rack and use a short break cue ( nobody noticed??)?
Who noticed the one ball, one rail @ 6:45 or the One Pocket shot on the 6 @12:00?
How about the bank shot on the 2 @ 15:25 or, as some noticed, 3 rail position from the 8 to the 9 @ 16:45 and the 2 rail hit on the 2 @ 19:00 or how about the double cross @ 20:20?
I think you get my point...remember what the experiment was all about....

"My theory is based on the premise that ranking a player as an A,B or C is at the very best subjective depending on where your own playing level is and just as importantly how you "perceive" your own playing level to be."

Anybody care to change their original answer?:eek:
 
This is all my opinion.

David Marcus said:
This is not a put on in anyway. My point is while you are practicing, do you recognize shots that come up often and experiment with attempting them or power stroking certain shots. If you don't try them in practice then when do you?
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Do I recognize the shots? Yes.
Do I try them in practice? Yes; but to my ability. I'm not going to practice 2 rail banks of the point for hours on end.

David Marcus said:
Identifying the shots and attempting them is in direct correlation with your level of play and your perception of your level of play.
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No. Indentifying shots and making them is in direct correlation to your level of play.

David Marcus said:
However, is it possible that anyone's playing level and their knowledge level are not necessarily or ever the same? It all comes down to execution.....I might play like a C but my brain and eyes see things as an A.
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Yes, it is possible. However, you do play like a C player (if that video is of you). Thinking like an A player will only get you so far. A players can make shots that you think you can make.

David Marcus said:
As for APA rankings.....I played APA at two different times over the years. Back in the 80's when it was "Busch Pool League" (played as a 7) ,before a lot of you were born,back in the glory days of bar room pool and again in the early 2000's when I also played as a 7 on a 9 footer.
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I've said it a thousand times to guys like you. "This ain't Busch League anymore..."

David Marcus said:
This has been a very interesting exercise in one's observation skills. Some of you, very few, picked up on certain things that raised your eyebrows while others were totally in the dark. How many D players that you know practice with an Accu-rack and use a short break cue ( nobody noticed??)?
Who noticed the one ball, one rail @ 6:45 or the One Pocket shot on the 6 @12:00?
How about the bank shot on the 2 @ 15:25 or, as some noticed, 3 rail position from the 8 to the 9 @ 16:45 and the 2 rail hit on the 2 @ 19:00 or how about the double cross @ 20:20?
I think you get my point...remember what the experiment was all about....

"My theory is based on the premise that ranking a player as an A,B or C is at the very best subjective depending on where your own playing level is and just as importantly how you "perceive" your own playing level to be."

Anybody care to change their original answer?:eek:
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Playing with an accu-rack and using a short break cue, does not have any relationship to your level of play. Neither does making a one rail bank, "one pocket shot", bank on the 2, 3 rail position, and all that other mumbo jumbo.

Do I want to change my original answer? Noooope.
 
Banks said:
I have a relative in Standish.. any place to play around there next time I visit?
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Standish is probably 30 minutes out of Portland, give or take. There is a good room with 9 footers at Union Station in Portland that I know of. Quite likely others in and around, as well, Portland isn't my stomping ground. But if you give me a little notice, I would see if I could arrange time to get down there, were you to be back this way. It's only two hours from home :-)

(I was next door to that room at Union Station a couple days ago, for work. I know the way...)
 
David Marcus said:
This is not a put on in anyway.
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If you're promising he/you are not stalling in this video I'll watch the rest of it. However, I suspect my initial opinion will not change.

As far as the experiment goes, I think you have an answer. There are already people clocking the play in the video anywhere from D to B and an APA 3 to 5. That pretty much answers your question, people's opinions will vary by region. Those varying opinions will be compounded by the fact that, very often, lesser skilled players have a more difficult time determining playing speed and don't even realize as much. The greater the gap in ability between the "clocker" and "clockee" the less accurate that evaluation is likely to be. I realize this is part of the point you're making and you're correct.
 
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justadub said:
Standish is probably 30 minutes out of Portland, give or take. There is a good room with 9 footers at Union Station in Portland that I know of. Quite likely others in and around, as well, Portland isn't my stomping ground. But if you give me a little notice, I would see if I could arrange time to get down there, were you to be back this way. It's only two hours from home :-)

(I was next door to that room at Union Station a couple days ago, for work. I know the way...)
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I plan on being out there this summer or early fall. This time I won't be trying to cram in a week's worth of stuff into only a few days. A bit bummed that we weren't able to hit up any of the fairs either. I'd rather play on barboxes, but I can make do with a big table.
 
Allen Brown said:
I would like to see a video of this guy playing serious. I hope your experiment went well too. For real though......can we see what he's got?
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Just click on 13 videos next to NE9ball and you'll see a lot more of this guy.

Table is a 9 ft. Olhausen with extremely generous pockets. It's a nice playing table and is not slow as one person stated.

My take on this gentleman is that he spends a lot of money on equipment, has been around the game quite awhile, watches a lot of streams and videos, has a fair degree of knowledge but has never been measurably better than he is now nor will improve much if at all.

Knowledge: B-
Execution: C
Practice &
Game habits: D-

Just MHO but the video is representative of how he plays. He's not a better player fooling around to fool you guys.
 
Banks said:
I plan on being out there this summer or early fall. This time I won't be trying to cram in a week's worth of stuff into only a few days. A bit bummed that we weren't able to hit up any of the fairs either. I'd rather play on barboxes, but I can make do with a big table.
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Just did a little google mapping, approx 10-15 miles from Standish to Windham, where the only place in Maine with Diamond bar boxes is located. Depending on actual addresses, of course. Not far, regardless.

How's that? :)
 
justadub said:
Just did a little google mapping, approx 10-15 miles from Standish to Windham, where the only place in Maine with Diamond bar boxes is located. Depending on actual addresses, of course. Not far, regardless.

How's that? :)
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Sounds like easy pic...err.. I'll have to check it out. :thumbup:

I'll just tell my cousin to save me a room for a couple of days. From there, it's over to Lincoln County. Maybe I can time my visit to coincide with a tournament. :idea2:
 
Banks said:
Sounds like easy pic...err.. I'll have to check it out. :thumbup:

I'll just tell my cousin to save me a room for a couple of days. From there, it's over to Lincoln County. Maybe I can time my visit to coincide with a tournament. :idea2:
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And to keep it on topic, maybe we can get the OP to join us...Sanford isn't terribly far from Windham, certainly closer than I am :-)
 
justadub said:
Well, me at least.... :p

Maybe we can get CreeDo to make a return to the north country as well :grin:
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Ayuh, we could have a wicked good time! :thumbup:

Stay thirsty, my friend.

(Yay, work's over.. time to let Chuck Fields give me a pool lesson!)
 
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