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Very good thread!! It's cool to see a thread where all of the people involved chip in with their comments and opinions. Here's a couple of mine:
Watchez had a good suggestion about headphones for players (if they are comfortable using them) that would be a good idea.
To JCIN, no doubt you would respond and rectify any problems brought to your attention, but you could also simply ask the players (from time to time in between racks) if everything is OK. Yeah, you shouldn't have to, but it is your show, and it would help insure ideal conditions.
The problem with players hearing the commentators could be addressed as Watchez said, or some sort of soundproof booth (I know that cost $$$), or putting some distance between them and having them commentate from watching on cameras (may not be possible in TAR studio).
Anyway, good show, and I hope TAR renews their lease for the studio and continues with their involvement with pool. You (TAR) have created many exciting matchups that benefit the players and fans.
Watchez had a good suggestion about headphones for players (if they are comfortable using them) that would be a good idea.
To JCIN, no doubt you would respond and rectify any problems brought to your attention, but you could also simply ask the players (from time to time in between racks) if everything is OK. Yeah, you shouldn't have to, but it is your show, and it would help insure ideal conditions.
The problem with players hearing the commentators could be addressed as Watchez said, or some sort of soundproof booth (I know that cost $$$), or putting some distance between them and having them commentate from watching on cameras (may not be possible in TAR studio).
Anyway, good show, and I hope TAR renews their lease for the studio and continues with their involvement with pool. You (TAR) have created many exciting matchups that benefit the players and fans.
I think people are getting a little caught up on the players being able to hear the commentators. Daz has said it didn't affect him as you expect it when working in such tight conditions.
Part of what I enjoy about TAR matches is the intimacy of the small studio. It's nice to see games played in front of larger crowds, too, but the TAR setup is pretty damn good from what I've seen so far.
Part of what I enjoy about TAR matches is the intimacy of the small studio. It's nice to see games played in front of larger crowds, too, but the TAR setup is pretty damn good from what I've seen so far.
DAZ - Great match and good to see you! There will be more matches and more wins!
Bobby Cotton and Jay Helfert - You will always be welcome on any POV show! Just pick up the phone and please wear a collared shirt for the player interviews...LOL.
Dennis Orcullo - You had some pretty good rolls, but hell, you play pretty good too.
Justin - Thanks for opening your doors and putting on great matches! Every live event is exactly that. LIVE! Shit happens!
I will always support and promote TAR streams. They are well worth the price of admission and feature some of the world's best (Even on a bad day). Justin has worked for many years already to set the stage for excellence and delivers an amazing product within the confines of a tiny studio. We, as hungry viewers for pool action are lucky to have him in our midst.
I don't think a lot of people are aware of the many ways to enhance the viewing experience of a live-streamed event. You are at a computer now, not a tv set. This gives viewers a lot of flexibility now. There are times when I will play a live stream, turn down commentary and cue my favorite music playlist. Inversely, if I have work to do during a stream or other tasks to do on my computer, I'm grateful for the commentary because, with the volume now up, I can get the live, play-by-play account of what's happening, when I can't watch every minute of the stream, live. When I hear some drama, I simply flick back to the video to see what's going on.
Sheesh, people... It's a 3 day stream... Do you have to watch and hear every second of it? Anyway, just an opinion... Like so many others in here.
What a long-ass thread this is...
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Bobby Cotton and Jay Helfert - You will always be welcome on any POV show! Just pick up the phone and please wear a collared shirt for the player interviews...LOL.
Dennis Orcullo - You had some pretty good rolls, but hell, you play pretty good too.
Justin - Thanks for opening your doors and putting on great matches! Every live event is exactly that. LIVE! Shit happens!
I will always support and promote TAR streams. They are well worth the price of admission and feature some of the world's best (Even on a bad day). Justin has worked for many years already to set the stage for excellence and delivers an amazing product within the confines of a tiny studio. We, as hungry viewers for pool action are lucky to have him in our midst.
I don't think a lot of people are aware of the many ways to enhance the viewing experience of a live-streamed event. You are at a computer now, not a tv set. This gives viewers a lot of flexibility now. There are times when I will play a live stream, turn down commentary and cue my favorite music playlist. Inversely, if I have work to do during a stream or other tasks to do on my computer, I'm grateful for the commentary because, with the volume now up, I can get the live, play-by-play account of what's happening, when I can't watch every minute of the stream, live. When I hear some drama, I simply flick back to the video to see what's going on.
Sheesh, people... It's a 3 day stream... Do you have to watch and hear every second of it? Anyway, just an opinion... Like so many others in here.
What a long-ass thread this is...
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From what I saw there is a plexiglass booth with sound deadening foam on the walls and ceiling of it but I imagine it is very close to the players. Maybe lav mics on the commentators so they can talk low like Darren was and still be heard on the stream but not people in the studio might work along with some headphones.
I think the real solution is to just get rid of the commentators, and make the players do their own commentary.
Daz: I got myself a nice angle here on the 7 to slide over for the 8 in the side. What do you think, Dennis?
Dennis: No, that's not the right shot. You should bank the 7, three rails into the corner. That's what I would do.
Daz: Maybe you're right.
*misses shot*
Daz: Sonuva...
And yes, I'm joking
Daz: I got myself a nice angle here on the 7 to slide over for the 8 in the side. What do you think, Dennis?
Dennis: No, that's not the right shot. You should bank the 7, three rails into the corner. That's what I would do.
Daz: Maybe you're right.
*misses shot*
Daz: Sonuva...
And yes, I'm joking
Jay,
You and Cotton did a fine job, as well as Justin and the TAR team. I very much enjoyed hearing the old war stories.
I agree, if Daz goes back a listens he will probably change his comments in the future. But all in all it was still a great opportunity for pool fans to watch two great players live.
It amazes me how cynical the pool world is these days... but it amazes me less everyday...
Tduncan makes some good points.
I like bobby and jay telling stories, but so many are "inside stories",
so the fans can't get much out of it.
"You remember Biff Beeswax over in Roanoke?"
"Oh yes Biff and I played many times. Great player."
"Yeah I busted him in 86, think he died in a car wreck a few years later."
Hard for viewers to relate.
What I wouldn't mind is more pool talk about the tricky layouts in front of them.
It was cool when both commentators were like "what the heck is he doing that for???"
and then a few seconds later, we all figured out why.
You felt like you learned some small move only a world champion would think of.
And then, personal stuff...there's TONS I don't know about Appleton or Orcullo
that I wish they'd talked about. Orcullo is a cipher.
He's short, he's filipino, he plays damn good. That's about all I know about him.
Lots of smaller streams have unpaid commentary so it's kind of expected they don't
really do any homework. But for the professionals, a lil research is in order.
Did you know dennis has kids? I read somewhere they leave him little messages on
[some sort of facebook-type site] before tournaments like "Go get 'em dad!"
I've no idea if Darren has a wife. What's their high run in straight pool or how many
consecutive racks? How young were they when they first won a pro event
or started gambling? Did they ever have to put pool aside and work a day job?
Stuff like that would really spice up the commentary.
I like bobby and jay telling stories, but so many are "inside stories",
so the fans can't get much out of it.
"You remember Biff Beeswax over in Roanoke?"
"Oh yes Biff and I played many times. Great player."
"Yeah I busted him in 86, think he died in a car wreck a few years later."
Hard for viewers to relate.
What I wouldn't mind is more pool talk about the tricky layouts in front of them.
It was cool when both commentators were like "what the heck is he doing that for???"
and then a few seconds later, we all figured out why.
You felt like you learned some small move only a world champion would think of.
And then, personal stuff...there's TONS I don't know about Appleton or Orcullo
that I wish they'd talked about. Orcullo is a cipher.
He's short, he's filipino, he plays damn good. That's about all I know about him.
Lots of smaller streams have unpaid commentary so it's kind of expected they don't
really do any homework. But for the professionals, a lil research is in order.
Did you know dennis has kids? I read somewhere they leave him little messages on
[some sort of facebook-type site] before tournaments like "Go get 'em dad!"
I've no idea if Darren has a wife. What's their high run in straight pool or how many
consecutive racks? How young were they when they first won a pro event
or started gambling? Did they ever have to put pool aside and work a day job?
Stuff like that would really spice up the commentary.
If Jays mic was low when you were watching it was because he has a tendency to fluctuate wildly in volume. See any of the daily intro's. He doesnt know he does it but it can blow up a mic sometimes when I adjust for it by pulling a slider back I dont put it back because something else pops up in the meantime. Thus low audio on Jay's mic.
No one said anything to me in the chat so I guess it didnt bother too many people.
There is a booth. It has acoustic foam lining it with a plexiglass sheet for commentators to look through. Anyone who watched the stream saw it clearly as there was a camera on it and the commentators. There is music playing from two speakers in ceiling 3 feet off either side pocket. Its not like this place is an echo chamber.
Honestly I'm tired of talking about the players hearing the commentators. If a player has a problem he better speak up because I have too many other things going on to worry about what they may or may not find annoying. If they say something it will be addressed. If not then it is of no concern to me.
Bingo. Lets stop making a mountain out of a mole hill.
JCIN this is what Daz posted in the thread earlier....we are not out at your studio, you are. You might want to ask Dennis if he heard it too. There was once when Dennis changed his shot directly after the guys said something about they wouldn't shoot it that way.
Well then their hearing got better for day 3 because during their One Pocket set both Bobby and Jay (and myself) were jumping out of their chairs on some of the shots passed up.
Nick
I am just relaying what Daz put on here....like I said I am not at the studio, never been. I would love to see it in person but its a long trip from Georgia out there.
Tar,ufc,nfl
I personally think it is a great problem for you to have all of us talking about TAR. It is no different than the millions of people who stood around a bar discussing the Seat / SF game at a bar the other night. Guys at work arguing over the refs, field, quarterbacks, etc. Just like the GSP / Hendricks fight everyone argued for days over the scoring, ref, damage done vs strikes and takedowns, etc..... We all love pool had a great time watching and this is where we come to talk about it. You should only wish there were 10 x more of it going on after every TAR event. If no one was on here talking that would be a big problem.
Commentaters- My grandfather was a huge Cardinals fan. Got me into it, He hated the TV announcers so he turned the volume off and turned on Jack Buck and Mike Shannon on the radio. Still never missed a Cards game. If people don't like the commentary don't listen. Don't want to pay to watch cuz you won't listen? Your choice. I don't think it is the best marketing strategy to come on here and act like we shouldn't talk about the event in any manner. People voiced some criticism and you can take it for what you want and apply it or not to the next event.
I personally think it is a great problem for you to have all of us talking about TAR. It is no different than the millions of people who stood around a bar discussing the Seat / SF game at a bar the other night. Guys at work arguing over the refs, field, quarterbacks, etc. Just like the GSP / Hendricks fight everyone argued for days over the scoring, ref, damage done vs strikes and takedowns, etc..... We all love pool had a great time watching and this is where we come to talk about it. You should only wish there were 10 x more of it going on after every TAR event. If no one was on here talking that would be a big problem.
Commentaters- My grandfather was a huge Cardinals fan. Got me into it, He hated the TV announcers so he turned the volume off and turned on Jack Buck and Mike Shannon on the radio. Still never missed a Cards game. If people don't like the commentary don't listen. Don't want to pay to watch cuz you won't listen? Your choice. I don't think it is the best marketing strategy to come on here and act like we shouldn't talk about the event in any manner. People voiced some criticism and you can take it for what you want and apply it or not to the next event.
Darren and I chatted for a while last night on facebook. He apologized to me for his muttering about the game. He truly is sorrry. I told him that Jay and I were also sorry if we offended him. Every thing is cool now, Darren is a really good guy and a class act. The one time he heard us talking he was down at the end of the table where the booth is. We didn't realize he could hear us when he was at the far end of the room, or else we would have lowered our voices. It was a long long day and a little mistake in the booth from the commentators and a few little mistakes on the table is inevitable. TAR is GREAT, tune in for the next one to see if any more craziness occurs lol ! thanks Robert (p.s.) thanks to Justin he has a tough job !!
Yes, I didn't see it. I have seen the shots of you sitting at a desk, but I don't know the whole room layout. It surprises me that with a plexiglass sheet that there is a problem. I also didn't know you were busy monitoring things and making adjustments. So I guess you got it the way you like it and don't need any advice, good luck to you.
Excellent post. Darren is an intense player that has a strong determination to win, however, he wears his emotions where everyone can see and hear them especially if he's wearing a mic. Obviously he's very proud of the way he plays, understandably so and has the game to back it up. Darren Appleton is clearly one of the strongest players in the world and he adds a lot of excitement to our game through the intensity for which he plays.
We were treated (thanks to Darren, Dennis, and TAR) to arguably the two best players in the world playing the game the way only they can play it. It was great, the way I see it.
Thanks Justin, keep em coming.
Bill Incardona
Thanks for this suggestion. It's very constructive. I will make sure to do more of this in the future. Darren is engaged to a beautiful lady named Angie and they are getting married later this year. They have a new home in Pennsylvania, close to Philly. Dennis is married to Ronah and they have two kids and live in a private, gated community in Quezon City, a suburb of Manila. I will do more of this personal background stuff in the future!
Dennis told me that he could sometimes hear us talking but he ignored it as well. He said it never bothered him in any way. I think our voices, quiet though they are, become mere background chatter to the players.