Can someone help me understand the thought process behind these requests?

[logical]

Even twenty $3000 events a month all over the country is not a formula for the overall growth of pool. That will never lead to top pros making star level money, will never garner the interest of TV people and will not expose pool to a single person not already involved. But a dozen $60k event s a year, each in a different state leading to a huge annual event might. Look at almost any successful sport/ game...which route have they taken?

 

[nb92]

Give away's

Justin... is there any way to purchase 2 extra PPV passes (for all 3-days) to give away?

Thanks...

 

[nb92]

Even twenty $3000 events a month all over the country is not a formula for the overall growth of pool. That will never lead to top pros making star level money, will never garner the interest of TV people and will not expose pool to a single person not already involved. But a dozen $60k event s a year, each in a different state leading to a huge annual event might. Look at almost any successful sport/ game...which route have they taken?

oh ok... let me know when the first $60K event is scheduled.

 

[JumpinJoe]

Plain and simple.

Pool is never making TV, not in the U.S. Let's just forget that, it's not happening, players themselves ruined that long ago, and the games boring as hell to watch for anyone outside of pool anyhow.

A bunch of 3/5k events every weekend is better then 1 25k added event every few months, it at least gives players more chances to make little amounts, get together create action, some make scores etc. Because no matter if they win 15k for first or 4k, they will ultimately have the same bad habits as always and blow it all. Most of them anyhow.

Forget the TV debate, and take pool for what it's worth, a game you love or like enough to be on these forums talkin about it, it's not going up or down or anywhere. PERIOD.

 

[logical]

oh ok... let me know when the first $60K event is scheduled.

The point was that a moderate number of larger events would be better than 10 times as many smaller ones. The numbers almost don't even matter when pool is as far down the ladder as it is. I look at it this way...If I could snap my fingers and be the best pool player in the country I'd be taking a pay cut to do it. If I was the best golfer in the country I'd only need until weekend after next to make enough to retire.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

I don't quite understand the scheduling over top of another well established tourney.

If Nick wasn't available for that particular weekend, do it the next weekend or the next available time.

That way players wouldn't have to make a choice and they have 2 tourneys back to back.

Boner Ball was ranked for doing the same thing to promoters. I guess this is different.

This isn't quite in the players best interests and I thought that was what Str8 Shots was all about.

 

[Birriards]

Do me a favor. Just leave me alone. Seriously. I am not interested in your input. I don't care how smart and successful you think you are. People who do what you are doing cause much more harm than good. Always. Every time.

You want to critique the product I produce go for it but last I looked my reputation in this industry is solid. No history of stiffing anyone, don't screw people over and go out of my way to help my customers. So based on that I don't think its any of yours or anyone else's business how I do what I do or who I do it with.

I know you wont believe this but you really do not know as much as you think you do. So I would appreciate it if you just leave me out of your gossip circle. I can assure you I have never and will never call around asking "What is that pinklady into and have you heard?"

If people worried more about doing their own job in the industry and less what other people are doing things would be better.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

 

[JumpinJoe]

I don't quite understand the scheduling over top of another well established tourney.

If Nick wasn't available for that particular weekend, do it the next weekend or the next available time.

That way players wouldn't have to make a choice and they have 2 tourneys back to back.

Boner Ball was ranked for doing the same thing to promoters. I guess this is different.

This isn't quite in the players best interests and I thought that was what Str8 Shots was all about.

Exactly.
Nick as much as they may or others love him does mainly exhibitions nowadays and must realize he has to schedule around others schedule, not what's best for Nick as far as tourneys go. People don't schedule events around getting Nick there anymore. He rarely plays. Not dogging Nick he is one of my favorite 3 all time players.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

So, in the grand scheme of pool, Str8 Shots is only out for themselves.

They have other Pros under contract. Call it the John Schmidt Tourney and they can hold a Nick V tourney at a later date.

This thread that Str8 nShots, (maybe not so Str8 in the long run), wasn't so much asking for advice on what to do when Pro Players ask to be comped for showing up, as much as advertising that they were holding their tourney over top of another established tourney just to see how much flak they were going to take for it.

Sorry Str8 Shots, after the last thread and now this one, you're not batting exactly 100 in my book. In other words, I don't trust your intentions.

And Kimberly is trying to justify her dates because they supposedly have better payouts than Rum Runners.

Thinly Disguised Threads are the Teacher.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Sometimes I don't know what to think. So much is here to hope well of, and so much of pool is to think little of. It's difficult water to navigate. It's all too easy to become jaded. I don't want to be that person.

Do we, as we "learn", get to a point where we have to get neutered and prozac-ed to continue? Or accept what it offers and stop pushing a rope...

 

[JD_Hogg]

So, in the grand scheme of pool, Str8 Shots is only out for themselves.

They have other Pros under contract. Call it the John Schmidt Tourney and they can hold a Nick V tourney at a later date.

This thread that Str8 nShots, (maybe not so Str8 in the long run), wasn't so much asking for advice on what to do when Pro Players ask to be comped for showing up, as much as advertising that they were holding their tourney over top of another established tourney just to see how much flak they were going to take for it.

Sorry Str8 Shots, after the last thread and now this one, you're not batting exactly 100 in my book. In other words, I don't trust your intentions.

And Kimberly is trying to justify her dates because they supposedly have better payouts than Rum Runners.

Thinly Disguised Threads are the Teacher.

Its sad that people dont think that 2 pool tournys can run the same weekend in the entire US.... and shit all over someone trying to do something positive for pool.. ... do u really think everthing is a conspiracy

 

[nb92]

I don't quite understand the scheduling over top of another well established tourney.

If Nick wasn't available for that particular weekend, do it the next weekend or the next available time.

That way players wouldn't have to make a choice and they have 2 tourneys back to back.

Boner Ball was ranked for doing the same thing to promoters. I guess this is different.

This isn't quite in the players best interests and I thought that was what Str8 Shots was all about.

The only diff here between "Boner Ball" and this event is in Boner Ball, players were under contract to show up. Here they are free agents to go where ever they want. BIG difference. If there was a $5K added event in LA, Las Vegas, Denver, Chicago, Pittsburg, Phili, Raleigh, Atlanta and Orlando ... all on the same weekend I would argue this is GREAT for the players.

Pick and choose based on multiple variables. So from a players perspective the more the better... may also help those players on the edge and looking to quit playing and become a dealer or to keep the dream alive and grind it out. Might be nice to take a look and say hey I am a mid level pro. I need to pay the bills ... this week I will skip knocking heads with SVB, Dennis, etc and go try my luck over there...

Now the promoters might have a little more work to do to attract the "right players"... but a field limited to 64 players / played on a bar box in Vegas is going to have NO issue filling up... so I would think a big table event limited to 32 players in CO will have little impact on them... POVPOOL is doing one and TAR may do the other GREAT .. more for me to watch and from AZ tournament forum -- same time frame

Texas - ** The 2nd Annual Big Tyme Classic - $10,000 Added Guaranteed - March 20-23rd **

Smaller event - MD - 2014 Maryland State 9-Ball Bar Box Championship March 22-23

Not to mention -- all the local tours (non-handicapped and handicap). If there were no local tours would these events draw more players?

More choices, more opportunities.. Players are NOT under contract and can make the decision that is best for them. Going up against 32 with approximately the same payouts as going against 64 (given the usual field) might be a better choice for some and give them enough gas money to keep on keep on...

 

[JoeyA]

Colorados payout much better then rum runners because of the Calcutta.
They both have $200 entry, pay 5k, and both have a Calcutta. You were referencing rum runners as no Calcutta basically. They do have a Calcutta.

It's true that I didn't know if Rum runner had a Calcutta or not. I was highlighting the reasons why the Nick Varner Classic Pro Event is a great event to go to. The Calcutta is one of them but I think the fact that one event has 32 players and the other has 64 players says VOLUMES about why the event in Denver is a better value for the professional player.

At the Nick Varner Classic Pro Event, the professional pool player who can teach pool will have at least 128 Amateur players (who have jobs and money to spend) that they could offer their services to. Another revenue stream to cut down on their expenses.

JoeyA

 

[nb92]

The point was that a moderate number of larger events would be better than 10 times as many smaller ones. The numbers almost don't even matter when pool is as far down the ladder as it is. I look at it this way...If I could snap my fingers and be the best pool player in the country I'd be taking a pay cut to do it. If I was the best golfer in the country I'd only need until weekend after next to make enough to retire.

Don't disagree BUT until the Big Swing Dick shows up and says alright here are the 4 $250K added events... and here is the schedule of $25K added "qualifying events" ...

and

Though shall not play in any event scheduled at the same time as one of the BSD events with out disqualification from future events....

I will take 104 $5K events all schedule on top of each other spread all over the country..

The 104 events will not prevent the BSD from coming and consolidating EVERYTHING and the 104 events might keep a few players that are on the edge from have dropping out ........

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

do u really think everthing is a conspiracy

Not always but I call em as I see them sometimes.

I don't see it as much a conspiracy as just not trusting Kimberly 100%, as she likes to put on the good guy act

If you see it differently than I do, cool, as that is what makes the world spin.

 

[nb92]

Its sad that people dont think that 2 pool tournys can run the same weekend in the entire US.... and shit all over someone trying to do something positive for pool.. ... do u really think everthing is a conspiracy

YUP... basically AZ is saying the MOST pool tournaments this country can handle is 52, one per week..... LOL...

I would love if I could draw a 3 hour drive time circle around my house and have 1 or 2 events to go to every week. Either as a player (really dead money) or spectator...

 

[CJ Wiley]

they ("pros") should not be allowed to use the same restrooms.

so WHY, are you asking us for free ADVICE?

- this match was setup by Mark Cantrill months ago; different dates
- this match is being streamed by Justin @ TAR; no promos to him
- this match crosses w/ RumRunner's; established
- Justin/TAR & Mark Griffin have stated their opinions on BONUS BALL's conflicts
- some Pros have already been comped; they all talk to each other
- is your $$$$$ already in Trust, vs, RumRunners's credibility to pay on-the-spot?
- if Justin/TAR is part of this, then why isn't JUSTIN/TAR advising you?

regardless of WHAT/WHY these "pros" want,
you are apparently a business woman in the business of Pool Promotions now.
if you have to ask AZB for FREE ADVICE, then as a business woman, i would recommend that you hire someone who KNOWS the ins & outs of promoting....

.

Good points! Something sounds fishy doesn't it.....sounds like another excuse to talk down about "pros"....like they should not be allowed to use the same restrooms.

Who are these "pros" anyway??? Why not just name them and not talk generally about all "pros"......it's almost racist to talk about "pros" like they're some kind of subhuman.

It's not uncommon in any business to get expenses paid in full.

 

[JumpinJoe]

It's true that I didn't know if Rum runner had a Calcutta or not. I was highlighting the reasons why the Nick Varner Classic Pro Event is a great event to go to. The Calcutta is one of them but I think the fact that one event has 32 players and the other has 64 players says VOLUMES about why the event in Denver is a better value for the professional player.

At the Nick Varner Classic Pro Event, the professional pool player who can teach pool will have at least 128 Amateur players (who have jobs and money to spend) that they could offer their services to. Another revenue stream to cut down on their expenses.

JoeyA

Good Luck to em...

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

YUP... basically AZ is saying the MOST pool tournaments this country can handle is 52, one per week..... LOL...

No, AZ isn't saying anything. There aren't many tourneys so why book yours over top of another well established tourney. What does that achieve? The promoter knows the dates, why do it.

I would love if I could draw a 3 hour drive time circle around my house and have 1 or 2 events to go to every week. Either as a player (really dead money) or spectator...

Why don't you do it then. Oh, I know, cause there ain't that many tournaments.

Maybe Santa will make it come true for you.

Sorry, had to edit to add some LOLs for you. LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Good points! Something sounds fishy doesn't it.....sounds like another excuse to talk down about "pros"....like they should not be allowed to use the same restrooms.

Who are these "pros" anyway??? Why not just name them and not talk generally about all "pros"......it's almost racist to talk about "pros" like they're some kind of subhuman.

It's not uncommon in any business to get expenses paid in full.

Excellent post.