Men vs. women

Open tournaments?

Skratch said:
Question: Why don't more of the top women play in more of the Open tournaments? I for one would like to see the streamed games when they play male (tournament drawn) counterparts. We see their names listed and their results, but not how they played. It would be a nice change.
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Many great men players don't even play any tournaments. It's personal choice.

Over the years I played in many tournaments with tough fields, but I'll be the first to admit that I always looked for the easy events, too. Even the pros play as many amateur events as possible just before turning pro. The women are not obligated to play in men's events and may have less interest in "proving" which gender is "superior".

I suspect that many women like playing women's events more than men's because they don't have to put up with the BS from men. I personally prefer hanging out with women generally, for the same reason. May have something to do with my abandoning the notion of male superiority many, many years ago...
 
rezin8 said:
I had this nice, long, well thought out reply written and I just deleted it. I'm not going to touch this one with a 10 foot pool cue.
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Varner got cornered so to speak years ago with a question that went to print in the billiard mags. I do like how he put it. The pool of women players playing allot/ALLOT is miniscule compared to the men. Similar comparison would be a 5A High School Foot ball team with 3,000 students playing another school from a small town of 200 residents with a 1A school. In our sport I think we as male/female are equal. But I always have wondered Why I've never seen a Female become the best chess player in the world, its always the men. I've always felt most women when shooting at a ball, have allot more going on in their mind than a man, and this can be Very distracting to the shot. Men walk into a store to get a pair of socks, and most always, leave with a new pair of socks.:eek:
 
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Donny Lutz said:
Many great men players don't even play any tournaments. It's personal choice.

Over the years I played in many tournaments with tough fields, but I'll be the first to admit that I always looked for the easy events, too. Even the pros play as many amateur events as possible just before turning pro. The women are not obligated to play in men's events and may have less interest in "proving" which gender is "superior".

I suspect that many women like playing women's events more than men's because they don't have to put up with the BS from men. I personally prefer hanging out with women generally, for the same reason. May have something to do with my abandoning the notion of male superiority many, many years ago...
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This is ridiculous. They don't play in the men's events because they rarely even cash when they do, and only the top 5 really even have a chance at cashing usually. I mean, the women who cash high in practically EVERY women's event, rarely cash in the open men's events that they play in and most of those events have a payout for highest placing woman.

I don't know why people insist on making these threads every so often. They are ridiculous. Just accept it and move on.

Jaden
 
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bmsclayton said:
This discussion always leads the same place and ends up the same way. I think Chris B will tell you too. Line them all up and he'll play them all. only problem you will have is no one will back the women. Chris will get to have his own auction to see who will give him the highest percentage to play. Forget it if you want go above Chris to Shane, Archer, Donny, Hatch, Dechaine, who ever else you want to say is the next tier.

I don't think the top 10 females could beat a team of Chip, Joey, Justin H, Justin B, Larry, Klatt, Shuff, etc.
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You're certainly welcome to your opinion.

And by the way, I never said a World Women's team would beat an American Men's team, I merely asked some questions, and offered some reasons why they might win...

In case you missed it, I suggested the women could do well because of their better attitudes and a better understanding of cooperation and team play. And once again, I'm referring to team play like the MC, not gambling.

Sometimes I think the strength of American men is finding excuses for why they lose. I watched the MC. One of the reasons I might bet on the women.
 
I have the answer!!!!

We just need more guys to dress up like girls and play in the women's events and opens like Johnny T :)
 
woman

Jean went threw that woman shouldnt play with the men,oh she could win.I doubt many us men (pro,s) could beat Allison or Karen or Kelly at snooker.If they were accepted in (mens)tourns. and allowed to compete all the time you might be suprised. Try shooting free throws against a woman.:eek:
 
Hey guys off topic, I just noticed I now have a full green line of reps instead of the one lonely one I've been having. Is there a way to see who gave me them and for what?
 
Speaking of Jean - and I dont mean this to be offensive in any way but thought this was funny - She just won me $50 the other day. My best friend ( heavy better but just a banger at best ) and I were at Top Hat the other day knocking some balls around and hanging by our table was a black and white pic of Jean shooting. Somehow he made a comment on the pic and he thought it was a guy shooting. I informed it was a girl and he did not believe me and wanted to bet on it. Rest is history.
 
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BmoreMoney said:
Hey guys off topic, I just noticed I now have a full green line of reps instead of the one lonely one I've been having. Is there a way to see who gave me them and for what?
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Click on User CP at the top of the screen, it will have any comments that the people made and give links to which posts they were from...

Jaden
 
The Saw said:
It would be a good match, if, they were playing short stop speed male US players. That's not male superiority or any gender bias, it's simply the truth.
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^^^this...if we are talking the top 10 men and the action gets flowing, let me know how wide open the window is. The bank closes at 5:30 and my credit is good. Good luck..
 
Rico said:
Jean went threw that woman shouldnt play with the men,oh she could win.I doubt many us men (pro,s) could beat Allison or Karen or Kelly at snooker.If they were accepted in (mens)tourns. and allowed to compete all the time you might be suprised. Try shooting free throws against a woman.:eek:
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Put shane up against Kelly Fisher in a race to 30 nine ball and you get Kelly. How much you wanna bet? lol
 
the same?

bdorman said:
In the 1980s it was very popular to hold the view that boys and girls were equal, and that it was only "society" that taught them to be superior/inferior or in any way different. Adherents to this view set up every kind of "equality" they could: toys, early learning, social interactions, etc. were all designed so the boys and girls would have equal experiences.

It didn't do any good; they boys acted and grew up like boys and the girls grew up and acted like girls. A small, dedicated core of true believers justified the results as "we just didn't control their environments enough." Everyone else moved on and accepted that boys and girls are simply different.

Have women been suppressed and mis-treated? Of course, they have. But that doesn't negate the fact that men and women have different physical and mental skills.
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I never said men and women are the same. We're talking about playing pool here.

As a bowler as well as a pool player (and other sports), I listened for years to men say that women can never compete with men on the lanes because of size and strength. And I tended to believe it. Then a couple years ago, Kelly Kulick beat the best male bowlers in the world to win the Men's Masters title.
 
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briankenobi said:
Put shane up against Kelly Fisher in a race to 30 nine ball and you get Kelly. How much you wanna bet? lol
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Please read the original post. I'm proposing a match between the world's best 10 women against the best 10 American men.

One singles match between one man and one women has little to do with it. Team play is very different than individual play. It's why the US team got crushed last December in the MC.
 
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Donny Lutz said:
You're certainly welcome to your opinion.

And by the way, I never said a World Women's team would beat an American Men's team, I merely asked some questions, and offered some reasons why they might win...

In case you missed it, I suggested the women could do well because of their better attitudes and a better understanding of cooperation and team play. And once again, I'm referring to team play like the MC, not gambling.

Sometimes I think the strength of American men is finding excuses for why they lose. I watched the MC. One of the reasons I might bet on the women.
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It sounds great in theory but they just can't get there. Just check all of the female finishes in the US Open and Derby city online. You would think that a few would do well in the last 10 or whatever years. I haven't looked to see but I doubt it proves otherwise. The best chance they would have would be a mosconi cup race to 6 type event though so I guess in that sense it is possible. I think the odds for any female player to win derby city was like 50-1. it might have been 100-1.
 
Donny Lutz said:
I fully understand that most men are unable to shake loose the illusion of male superiority, and I'm prepared for the attacks when I address such issues.

But watching the incredible improvement of women's play in recent years, especially the Asian women, I'm compelled to pose a question.

If you took the top 10 women players in the world, say Kelly and Allison Fisher, Jasmine Ouschan, Ga Young Kim, Siming Chen, Rubilen Amit, Pei Chen Tsai, Sha Sha Liu, Zhi Ting Wu and Bi Zhu Qing, and matched them up against any 10 American men, how do you think they would do?

Could the men match the team spirit exhibited by the women? Their composure and positive attitude? Could the men handle the pressure of this challenge to their "manhood"?
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This question is about as charged as any APA post, or a for or against jump cues post. Except it's maybe a bit clearer. All you have to do is look at the results. Why don't most women play against the men? Far as I know, unless there is both a women's and a men's version of the same event, all the tournaments are OPEN. Yet very few women enter them, even the majors. And how many have placed well? There is a reason even the top women don't enter the events where there are top men, the cost to enter vs the chances of them cashing. So they play in their own events where most of the competition would be ranked as a B-level player.

Do we have TPA stats for women's matches? Numbers don't lie (usually), just need to compare them.

The funny part is that there really is no reason why women can't play pool as well as any man. Sure most may not be able to draw or spin the cueball 4 rails like Nevel or Dechaine, but even my 14 yr old son can play well enough to keep up with fully grown men. And he's been doing that since he was 12 when he finally figured out how to use draw.

Look at some of the Asian players, they give up 3+ inches and 30 (and sometimes much more hehe) pounds to many of the US players, yet move the cueball around like it's the other way.
 
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Any reason men are more likely gifted than women for pool?

FranCrimi said:
I think you may be asking the wrong question. Maybe you should ask how many women actually want to play that much pool to get to an extremely high level ----

Let's see what they have to look forward to: Hang out in dive pool rooms, spend a fortune on table time, match up against ego maniacs, have to listen to all the woofing and name-calling....gee that all sounds so appealing. Shall we talk about the drugs too?

Maybe the conditions in China are a little more controlled, not that I would recommend anyone moving to China. There's the other side of the coin with having to live there.
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Fran, I agree with this. Few women from the US take up our sport. So, there's a small pond of prospects. Most of the talent moves here from overseas today. In other parts of the world, there are other hurdles that limit the advancement of female players also. I believe that if all opportunities were equal, women would close the gap considerably (keep reading to see me change my mind).

That being said, overall men are more likely to be gifted with innate math and geometry abilities, for whatever reasons. Of course, this is just a generality. These are skills that help to visualize the collision of spherical objects. We also bring up girls to be more passive, while we encourage boys into sports and aggressive activities. On the flip side, I see a female's advantage to be their composure and ability to compete without putting undue pressure on themselves. There is such a fine line between effort and focus. I believe that this is often what separates the top echelon. These differences seem to about wash out.

As far as power, SVB breaks best at about 70% power. This works for him. At one time, I believe that the break was more about power. With rack your own using the magic rack, it is about perfecting a successful break and replicating it time and time again. It is about pure control. I don't see a reason that a female couldn't do this as well as a male.

When I began writing this, I believed that males have an innate superior (but only slim) general advantage overall. But, now (less than 10 minutes later) I'm not sure that there is a general advantage. Perhaps the advantage is in the numbers (larger pool to draw players from). I would think that maybe one pocket and straight pool would favor men because of a possible geometry (visualizing kicks, banks and clusters) advantage. But, 9-ball or 10-ball? I don't see any real advantage that male would have.

Daren
 
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Spimp13 said:
^^^this...if we are talking the top 10 men and the action gets flowing, let me know how wide open the window is. The bank closes at 5:30 and my credit is good. Good luck..
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From what I understand, some Americans lost a ton betting on the US team in the last MC. They didn't understand the difference between gambling on singles play and team play.

The women would have several of the same advantages that the Euros had at MC. Played as a team. Practiced together. Helped each other. Kept their cool. Didn't make excuses. And certainly didn't blame their teammates when they made a mistake.

I think a World Women's team would exhibit these great attributes as well...

I think such a match would draw huge interest and sponsors. But would the American men's team risk such a possible blow to their egos?
 
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