Aiming With Feel - The "Visual Touch" System

[CJ Wiley]

I like to practice standing two feet higher with my eyes and body than I normally play. This does something very important, it takes away the illusion that I'm seeing anything in particular and increases my FEEL and TOUCH for the shot.

When it comes down to it feel and touch are what separates the great players from the "not so great" players. No player gives credit to "seeing well" to winning a tournament, but they will say their touch and feel were especially good that day/week.

Try this drill of using the TOI and standing 2 feet higher with your head for 20 minutes and "fine tune" your touch and feel for the shot, AND the pocket. This drill has done wonders for me, I hope it gives you similar results, and increases sensitivity in your Game.

 

[stan shuffett]

I like to practice standing two feet higher with my eyes and body than I normally play. This does something very important, it takes away the illusion that I'm seeing anything in particular and increases my FEEL and TOUCH for the shot.

When it comes down to it feel and touch are what separates the great players from the "not so great" players. No player gives credit to "seeing well" to winning a tournament, but they will say their touch and feel were especially good that day/week.

Try this drill of using the TOI and standing 2 feet higher with your head for 20 minutes and "fine tune" your touch and feel for the shot, AND the pocket. This drill has done wonders for me, I hope it gives you similar results, and increases sensitivity in your Game.

I agree that touch and feel can be hugely important.

It is incorrect to say that no player gives credit to seeing well that resulted in a tournament win. Pool is evolving to where SEEING WELL can take one's play to a brand new level. When refined touch and feel are combined with SEEING WELL, then that is a tough combination to beat......of course there is more to it.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Chrippa]

I think that both of you is right. Define "seeing", "feeling", can you separate them?

Chrippa

 

[stan shuffett]

I think that both of you is right. Define "seeing", "feeling", can you separate them?

Chrippa

The SEEING I am referencing is an objective SEEING that connects to the right angles of a regulation table.

My, once upon a time, subjective SEEING meant my feel had better be amped up to get me through my guesses and there were plenty. Yes, feel can be a huge must if the eyes do not begin with a real connection to the table.

CTE gives the angle BUT speed and spin are another story. CTE is very friendly to minimal spin. Speed is about feel but also a lot about understanding stroke.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Chrippa]

Hi Stan,

I think I understand what you are saying, I feel I do anyway. What I´m getting at is that both are just as important and is part of the same action. seeing/feeling, saying/feeling. We can feel so much and what we feel has a lot to do with what we see, hear… etc.

No right or wrong, just different views on the same thing.

We base what we do on so many things without thinking about it, when we know what we are "feeling/thinking" about it however it´s gets stronger and more easy to reach when we get "blocked" by emotions because we have a stronger foundation to reach the "right" thing to do. Systems like yours for example.

In pool we have banks and kicks that are a great way to "see/feel" it in, you can systemize it to perfection but the surrounding conditions (different tables, humidity, stroke form etc) will determine the perfect shot and both seeing and feeling has to be a part of it, same thing.

I think both you and CJ (and a bunch more) is letting us know so much valuable information and I thank you for it a lot.

I have your first DVD and will buy your next, I haven´t used your system the way you describe it, or the way I interpret it´s but I think I´m getting what you are saying anyway. - If that makes sense.
Many roads will take you to Rom sort of speak.

CJ, will get your banks and Earl DVD to.

Chrippa

 

[stan shuffett]

Hi Stan,

I think I understand what you are saying, I feel I do anyway. What I´m getting at is that both are just as important and is part of the same action. seeing/feeling, saying/feeling. We can feel so much and what we feel has a lot to do with what we see, hear… etc.

No right or wrong, just different views on the same thing.

We base what we do on so many things without thinking about it, when we know what we are "feeling/thinking" about it however it´s gets stronger and more easy to reach when we get "blocked" by emotions because we have a stronger foundation to reach the "right" thing to do. Systems like yours for example.

In pool we have banks and kicks that are a great way to "see/feel" it in, you can systemize it to perfection but the surrounding conditions (different tables, humidity, stroke form etc) will determine the perfect shot and both seeing and feeling has to be a part of it, same thing.

I think both you and CJ (and a bunch more) is letting us know so much valuable information and I thank you for it a lot.

I have your first DVD and will buy your next, I haven´t used your system the way you describe it, or the way I interpret it´s but I think I´m getting what you are saying anyway. - If that makes sense.
Many roads will take you to Rom sort of speak.

CJ, will get your banks and Earl DVD to.

Chrippa

Yes, BUT....

Real CTE connects to a table minus the feel that has been forever and a day the only way to aim. Many people think it just can't be... The point I am making is that CTE allows for an objective, repeatable connection to a table shot after shot after shot.....there is no depending on you how you feel that day to dial in on an accurate aim and with an over cut to boot.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Gerry Williams]

Excellent post Stan - I just finished working on a couple of Joe Tuckers drills.

The first was 25 straight in shots and for these there was no feel involved, pure 15 degree perception with left sweep to CCB.

The second was 15 rail shots that required a lot of spin to kill the cue ball and avoid hitting other object balls - I would say I used a combination of 'Seeing' and 'Feeling' on this drill.

Cheers,
Gerry

The SEEING I am referencing is an objective SEEING that connects to the right angles of a regulation table.

My, once upon a time, subjective SEEING meant my feel had better be amped up to get me through my guesses and there were plenty. Yes, feel can be a huge must if the eyes do not begin with a real connection to the table.

CTE gives the angle BUT speed and spin are another story. CTE is very friendly to minimal spin. Speed is about feel but also a lot about understanding stroke.

Stan Shuffett

 

[stan shuffett]

Excellent post Stan - I just finished working on a couple of Joe Tuckers drills.

The first was 25 straight in shots and for these there was no feel involved, pure 15 degree perception with left sweep to CCB.

The second was 15 rail shots that required a lot of spin to kill the cue ball and avoid hitting other object balls - I would say I used a combination of 'Seeing' and 'Feeling' on this drill.

Cheers,
Gerry

It 's really great how another person's practice drills can be combined with Pro One practice. Joe has put out some really strong drills.

Stan Shuffett

 

[BilliardsAbout]

There's trust involved that adds to SEEING.

If your head is rotated, one of your eyes is closer to the shot than the other and now your stroke hand comes forward to a target you are seeing in parallax view. The easiest way to toss a ball toward another is with the head not rotated.

 

[genomachino]

Doesn't matter but it sounds good.........

There's trust involved that adds to SEEING.

If your head is rotated, one of your eyes is closer to the shot than the other and now your stroke hand comes forward to a target you are seeing in parallax view. The easiest way to toss a ball toward another is with the head not rotated.

When you lay down on the bed and watch TV you see things pretty good. the people don't look like they are walking sideways or upside down.

As long as the dominant eye is in the right position it doesn't matter which eye is closer.

Take it from someone that knows this for sure.

it's just the way it is.............

 

[genomachino]

Stan's got it right for sure.........

I agree that touch and feel can be hugely important.

It is incorrect to say that no player gives credit to seeing well that resulted in a tournament win. Pool is evolving to where SEEING WELL can take one's play to a brand new level. When refined touch and feel are combined with SEEING WELL, then that is a tough combination to beat......of course there is more to it.

Stan Shuffett

I agree 100% Stan.

The things that we teach about the eyes will help every player on the planet. When we know we got it right it's easy not to back down.

It's too bad they many think it doesn't matter.

I had about 5 players that cracked for a lesson this last time I'm back home. They all said they can't believe they waited 3 years to learn. Allot of balls missed in that 3 years and allot of money not won or lost.

Same thing with what you teach. Once they really learn it they wish they would have done it a long time ago.

Great job there Mr Stan Shuffet..........

 

[CJ Wiley]

"feeling the angles with my eyes".

I think that both of you is right. Define "seeing", "feeling", can you separate them?

Chrippa

I describe it as "feeling the angle with my eyes"......no matter how well someone sees they still must hit the cue ball accurately and precisely or nothing else will matter. I'm striving to feel the connection between the cue ball and object ball with my eyes.....this taps in to the unconscious mind where we can achieve the highest levels. Consciously we all struggle to run out, but "in the zone" it becomes second nature....and enjoyable.

Earl told me that his eyes had become weaker with age, but it doesn't really hurt him except on long shots....and this may be more about his stroke than his vision.

As long as a player can see the edge and center of the object ball they should be able to play very well until their 70s....provided the nerves don't start giving them issues.

 

[Ralph Kramden]

As long as a player can see the edge and center of the object ball they should be able to play very well until their 70s....

Thanks a lot CJ... That really hurts. :sorry:

 

[CJ Wiley]

Ralph....you may run 100 at 100

Thanks a lot CJ... That really hurts. :sorry:

There's always an exception like yourself, Ralph....you may run 100 at 100.

 

[Mitchxout]

As long as a player can see the edge and center of the object ball they should be able to play very well until their 70s....provided the nerves don't start giving them issues.

I agree, but it's not easy as it looks for us geezers. Thanks for all the
free TOI info, btw. :thumbup:

 

[one stroke]

When you lay down on the bed and watch TV you see things pretty good. the people don't look like they are walking sideways or upside down.

As long as the dominant eye is in the right position it doesn't matter which eye is closer.

Take it from someone that knows this for sure.

it's just the way it is.............

I actually just got thru a lesson that proved to me that the dominate eye does not aways see the straight line ,, my eye doctor had told me the same thing yrs ago but I never tested it till yesterday and no question after 40 yrs of thinking I should shoot with my dominate right eye over the stick its in fact my left eye that see's a straight line better

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[BeiberLvr]

I actually just got thru a lesson that proved to me that the dominate eye does not aways see the straight line ,, my eye doctor had told me the same thing yrs ago but I never tested it till yesterday and no question after 40 yrs of thinking I should shoot with my dominate right eye over the stick its in fact my left eye that see's a straight line better

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Same here. I'm definitely left eye dominant, but play so much better when the cue is under/or even a little to the right of my right (non-dominant) eye.

 

[one stroke]

Same here. I'm definitely left eye dominant, but play so much better when the cue is under/or even a little to the right of my right (non-dominant) eye.

Its really strange its hard to wrap my head around it,, Im going to set up some shots on the left and right to see if Im seeing things the same




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[Mitchxout]

Its really strange its hard to wrap my head around it,, Im going to set up some shots on the left and right to see if Im seeing things the same;

I just did this same experiment and discovered I'd been addressing the CB ever so slightly to the right of center. I mistakenly thought it was my aim because my misses were always to the right, Just be aware of all the possible factors.

 

[CJ Wiley]

your center

I agree, but it's not easy as it looks for us geezers. Thanks for all the
free TOI info, btw. :thumbup:

You're certainly welcome.....TOI definately opens up some "learning doors" if you stick with it for 3 weeks.

PS: Don't pay any attention to the "master eye" stuff.....just shoot out of your center for best results.