JBs Thread

John, off subject, I really like the family cases. Do you have any of them with you for sale?

No those were made for a customer. Gene Huie. He might sell them to you though. Post in the thread that you are interested and he might work something out for you.
 
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Being accused of "...groping your daughter" is seriously offensive, particularly to a man of SJD's generation.

I doubt he was aware of this forum's abhorrence of physical threats or, most certainly, he would not have made one.

A warning would have sufficed.

Lou Figueroa

I agree and would have blown a gasket too, but I think it was everything he had done leading up to it. He says he knows he is skating on thin ice in one of his last posts.
 
Being accused of "...groping your daughter" is seriously offensive, particularly to a man of SJD's generation.

I doubt he was aware of this forum's abhorrence of physical threats or, most certainly, he would not have made one.

A warning would have sufficed.

Lou Figueroa

Gosh I am so surprised that you never spoke up on my behalf with all the nasty things that were said about me.

Now suddenly things are seriously offensive?

Like you saying I pay my staff with extra rations of fish heads or something like that. No way that a racist stereotypical remark like that is offensive.

The hypocrisy level just got to suffocating heights.
 
I want to say the same thing happend to me 3 or 4 weeks ago.
I posted in a thread voicing my opinion when another member use profanity to abuse me, I over retaliated & was banned. But the other member wasn't.
What goes around comes around.
 
Being accused of "...groping your daughter" is seriously offensive, particularly to a man of SJD's generation.

I doubt he was aware of this forum's abhorrence of physical threats or, most certainly, he would not have made one.

A warning would have sufficed.

Lou Figueroa

You know what else could be seen as offensive to some people?

Posting pictures of yourself groping a woman young enough to be your daughter, or any woman for that matter.

And what a lame excuse for him. Whether it's on an internet forum, or in the real world, making physical threats does not go without consequences.
 
I want to say the same thing happend to me 3 or 4 weeks ago.
I posted in a thread voicing my opinion when another member use profanity to abuse me, I over retaliated & was banned. But the other member wasn't.
What goes around comes around.

Provocation is overlooked entirely.
 
Yes. I think CTE would be way more helpful to aspiring players than snooker fundamentals if they could learn only one of those two.

BECAUSE it's already been proven that snooker fundamentals are not necessary to play top level pool. Maybe snooker fundamentals are better but they are not critical to success in pool. Aiming however is needed for pool regardless of form so if there is a method that works better, which CTE/ProOne does, then that IS critical to success.

Don't don't trade your day job for a talent expert job
Top smoker woman have come over and ruled woman's pool and even a blind man can see the difference in fundamentals
The main reason why we don't see it in the men is because they have no reason to play anything other than snooker where payouts dwarf pools payouts

Will CTE help somebody with a aiming deficiency probably so would a good lesson from a good instructor , sound fundamentals will put you on the target line and with a good stroke you will hit the intended spot

Players current and past have gotten along just fine without CTE and there is no reason to believe they won't continue that trend

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Provocation is overlooked entirely.

In the USA we have a doctrine wherein it does not matter why the punch was thrown just that the one who threw it is charged with assault.

Rarely is shared responsibility assigned and shared punishment given.

And on forums the lines are fluid so even though they appear to be crossed to spectators the reality is that only the moderators can decide when the line has been sufficiently crossed. I would say that "promising" to hurt someone over a comment, to the point that you threaten to PAY someone to assault another person is well enough over the line.

Now, having said that, Dick in my opinion should NOT have allowed himself to get so upset over Gerry's comment BECAUSE it's all banter right? Isn't that what you said earlier?

What would you do if someone were to start a fight over a similar comment in a bar? You would certainly say that the person who threw the punch should have not allowed themselves to be so bothered by it.

I think that Dick's reaction is exactly the reason that it's not all just "banter" when you go after someone on these forums. When you are being demeaning and insulting it might be fun for you but if you don't know the other side as a person and are comfortable with that type of wordplay then it's probably not fun for them.
 
Don't don't trade your day job for a talent expert job
Top smoker woman have come over and ruled woman's pool and even a blind man can see the difference in fundamentals
The main reason why we don't see it in the men is because they have no reason to play anything other than snooker where payouts dwarf pools payouts

Will CTE help somebody with a aiming deficiency probably so would a good lesson from a good instructor , sound fundamentals will put you on the target line and with a good stroke you will hit the intended spot

Players current and past have gotten along just fine without CTE and there is no reason to believe they won't continue that trend

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You mean snooker pros? Yes that's true - WHERE fundamentals in the women WERE lacking - snooker fundamentals brought a new level to the women's game. But Chinese players use pool stances and they play every bit as good as any other woman in the world.

As for pool - no male snooker player has ever won the men's world championships. Should be easy for them to jump in and win over the helpless pool players.

And yes players have gotten along great to have the current level without CTE. So I imagine, knowing what I know, that with CTE the level could rise across the board. That's a terrible thing to wish for isn't it?

You - the status quo is just fine.
Me - would love to see everyone get even better.

You - pool is dying just fine.
Me - would be great if more people were inspired to play more because they have something to work on.

You - I am happy being a shitty player.
Me. - I am not happy being a shitty player give me all the knowledge you have and turn me loose.

You - I won't bet that I am alive.
Me. - You won't bet that you are alive.
 
Being accused of "...groping your daughter" is seriously offensive, particularly to a man of SJD's generation.

I doubt he was aware of this forum's abhorrence of physical threats or, most certainly, he would not have made one.

A warning would have sufficed.

Lou Figueroa

I don't know about this...

If SJD was so worried about being accused of "groping his daughter" maybe he shouldn't post pictures of himself groping young ladies.

Seems like he opened the door himself and AZ closed it for him.
 
In the USA we have a doctrine wherein it does not matter why the punch was thrown just that the one who threw it is charged with assault.

Rarely is shared responsibility assigned and shared punishment given.


And on forums the lines are fluid so even though they appear to be crossed to spectators the reality is that only the moderators can decide when the line has been sufficiently crossed. I would say that "promising" to hurt someone over a comment, to the point that you threaten to PAY someone to assault another person is well enough over the line.

Now, having said that, Dick in my opinion should NOT have allowed himself to get so upset over Gerry's comment BECAUSE it's all banter right? Isn't that what you said earlier?

What would you do if someone were to start a fight over a similar comment in a bar? You would certainly say that the person who threw the punch should have not allowed themselves to be so bothered by it.

I think that Dick's reaction is exactly the reason that it's not all just "banter" when you go after someone on these forums. When you are being demeaning and insulting it might be fun for you but if you don't know the other side as a person and are comfortable with that type of wordplay then it's probably not fun for them.

In football (proper football;)) the provocateur and the retaliator are deemed equal offenders, with any leniency or benefit of the doubt going to he who was provoked. So, if player A spits in player B's hair, and player B turns around and punches him, they both get sent off, although player B would receive a lessor punishment in terms of ban or fine. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I have a hard time accepting your "words hurt" defence, not least as that finger can very easily be pointed at yourself. You are as demeaning or insulting as anyone. Either it's all banter and it all stays or it's all hurtful and it all goes - you decide. I know what I prefer but I don't make the rules. Which brings me onto...

I've been back from a 12 month ban for about 24 hours, and in that time have read at least a dozen reportable insults, which I've chosen to ignore. Sooner or later I'll bite and say something that, although tame to my eyes, someone will take great delight in reporting, so I'll be banned again. How is that fair? They might as well just get on and ban me now because we both know it's going to happen sooner or later. The mods just choose the path of least resistance (who doesn't?), and listen to those that shout the most, irrespective of the fairness. I seem to recall I got banned for starting a thread asking why we, as amateur players, should give the pros a free pass on their bad behaviour. In light of all that's happened in the intervening period, good job that thread was pulled. :rolleyes: I also did not contravene any rule, but was given a long list of non-specific adjectives as a reason. So, I either bend over and take constant sniping without comment or I report everything, which I don't want to do either. I cannot win.

So you will have to forgive me if i'm a little skeptical about the rules and their enforcement. I think people on here should toughen-up a little and realise it is no longer 1952, however. That few, if any, young people are joining this board is very telling. If you keep pandering to your existing market you're going to wake up with no one left sooner or later. There should be a 'wasteland' forum, where threads that have run their course and ended up in squabbling contests are moved to, to prevent the main forum from being clogged up. There's simply no reason to perpetually ban people as this place is about as tame as it gets. AZB mirrors pool in America: anachronistic, in need of modernity.
 
Words do hurt. Pen mightier than the sword and all that. Wars have been started over words and in fact almost every conflict starts over words.

You use your words to try and cut me down I use mine to defend. That's how it is. Do you feel demeaned when I say you are a super nobody in this sport? Why? It's the flat out truth. You have your opinion and that's fine but you spend your time chasing me around continually spouting that opinion with nothing more than your words to back it up. And let's be honest, your screen name is back from a ban but you were here the whole time so don't even go there.

Try backing up your words once in your life and see how that feels. I do it every day of mine and it feels great to be able to back up what I say.
 
I don't know about this...

If SJD was so worried about being accused of "groping his daughter" maybe he shouldn't post pictures of himself groping young ladies.

Seems like he opened the door himself and AZ closed it for him.

Not pitched at you but why do people celebrate so when someone gets banned? Perhaps the resident psychiatrists can chime in?

I thought this post from Roger Long recently was terrific.

Well, let's also not forget that Facebook is a much more public medium than AZB, and members there have to post under their real identities, which generally makes them feel more personally accountable for their voiced opinions.

By contrast, the AZB forums mostly has members that operate under protective screen names, and they have a tendency to make statements that favor the opinions of other highly-regarded forum members; of which there are NO pro players. This "tendency" functions much the same way as "Friends" supporting "Friends" on Facebook.

All of which tells us nothing. And that's where the "balancing" comes in. Just because AZB leans one way on a subject, and Facebook leans the other; doesn't really tell us what actually transpired. That's the only point I was trying to make.

I will agree, however, that it doesn't make any sense to bite the hand that feeds you, even if what you're being fed isn't the main course.

Roger
 
Not pitched at you but why do people celebrate so when someone gets banned? Perhaps the resident psychiatrists can chime in?

I thought this post from Roger Long recently was terrific.

The amount of celebration is directly tied to the amount of annoyance I would guess.
 
Words do hurt. Pen mightier than the sword and all that. Wars have been started over words and in fact almost every conflict starts over words.

You use your words to try and cut me down I use mine to defend. That's how it is. Do you feel demeaned when I say you are a super nobody in this sport? Why? It's the flat out truth. You have your opinion and that's fine but you spend your time chasing me around continually spouting that opinion with nothing more than your words to back it up. And let's be honest, your screen name is back from a ban but you were here the whole time so don't even go there.

Try backing up your words once in your life and see how that feels. I do it every day of mine and it feels great to be able to back up what I say.

No I don't feel demeaned by you calling me a super nobody. I am one. Perhaps you can tell me who IS a super somebody around here? You?

Here is my problem with you: I may or may not "chase you around continually" (I don't) because I believe there are people better qualified than you to educate the world on how to play pool, and you get a LOT of airtime on the back of your business. If I played like you and put out loads of videos telling people they must do this, that or the other, I'd be laughed out of here, and rightly so. The trouble is, you've believed your own hype. You've fallen for it hook, line and sinker. You REALLY have to deliver against Lou, the pressure is entirely on your shoulders from my perspective. You've set yourself up for a complete humiliation. I'm telling you that straight, with no malice intended. Lou has played you beautifully.

Anyway, I would prefer good instructors to get lots of airtime instead. When I first joined here there were loads of great threads about instruction, stance, grip, even aiming, but where have they all gone? The main forum is crushingly boring these days, lacking in focus, just a collection of vaguely pool related jetsam and flotsam. I have no problem with you getting airtime for your cases. All the rest, less so.

And can you explain what you mean when you say you 'back up your words'? What do you mean by this? I see a lot of words but not much action.
 
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