JBs Thread

[fishless]

I just noticed Gerry is also banned, I can only assume that was for his "daughter" comment. I took his comment as an age reference and not being malicious towards anyones family member(s). Gerry himself is family man and certainly knows how out of line that would have been. I think a stern warning was warranted assuming he's has not been given any warning in the past.

This is my opoinion and I know his comment could have been interpreted differently.

 

[JB Cases]

I just noticed Gerry is also banned, I can only assume that was for his "daughter" comment. I took his comment as an age reference and not being malicious towards anyones family member(s). Gerry himself is family man and certainly knows how out of line that would have been. I think a stern warning was warranted assuming he's has not been given any warning in the past.

This is my opoinion and I know his comment could have been interpreted differently.

Gerry was unfairly banned. For saying something that is not even against the rules. Other members were just warned for real transgressions and not ever banned despite repeated offenses.

Gerry is one of the absolute best posters on the forum who is always helpful. Wilson probably banned him out of spite.

SJD's banning was long overdue. Every post was against the rules. EVERY POST.

Wilson allowed it to continue. It took one of the forum's owners to finally step in and do something about it. Barking is fine, teasing is fine among friends, but Dick took it way too far at times and broke almost all the rules. Gerry didn't break a single rule, not one.

What Gerry said was exactly what what Vincent said in the Color of Money,

"Gramps, put your teeth in, get your hands off your daughter and pay attention.

You might learn something today."

I have been accused of pedophilia on this forum by Joe Van Buren, Bobby Chamberlain (wrldpro), and Ron whatshisname (rigmaster), and not one of them has even received a warning as far as I know.

They all got away with saying I use slave labor, I use child labor, and plenty of other defamatory things and have never been banned over it.

So honestly Gerry getting a ban for this is completely unfair and unreasonable.

What should have been a really fun lead up to the big match was turned into crap by SJD and a few others and that's unfortunate. We could have had ONE nice long thread that was ongoing with my preparations and trash talk and introductions to people and places along the way which would have been highly entertaining. But Dave Wilson allowed trolls and stalkers to absolutely RUIN every single thread.

Anyway, time to practice.

 

[TheThaiger]

I just noticed Gerry is also banned, I can only assume that was for his "daughter" comment. I took his comment as an age reference and not being malicious towards anyones family member(s). Gerry himself is family man and certainly knows how out of line that would have been. I think a stern warning was warranted assuming he's has not been given any warning in the past.

This is my opoinion and I know his comment could have been interpreted differently.

Entirely ridiculous - let's hope it's short.

Banning good players is daft. Good players have big egos and are competitive by nature. Pidge, a 300 ball 14.1 player, 140+ snooker player and 10 packer, said something innocuous by British standards, and got banned for it, and hasn't been back since. I wonder how the delicate flower that reported him stacks up in the talent stakes? I know whose posts I'd like to read.

And now a HOFer and a short stop have gone, over next to nothing. I seriously doubt my mother would be offended by that, in fact I know she wouldn't. Ban those with no sense of humour, I say.

Good players should get some leniency, for they add more than they take.

 

[freddy the beard]

Sounds like you might have had to pick some SJD out of your Beard once or twice.

I've read all 3 of your books & have never saw his name once in any of them.
Why not?

Once or twice or a thousand times, but only on the forums, I never came across him in my 50 yrs cross-country on the road.

Actually, he does appear as an author of a road story in my book the "Encyclopedia...." I have no problem with the story, just him.

Beard

Serious offer: A free hard-cover to anyone who can prove that either SJD or Lou F bought the "Encyclopedia" either on the sneak or under an assumed name, or used a 'beard" to buy it for them.: You can PM me, but to collect on the book you will be unable to remain anonymous.:thumbup:

 

[BeiberLvr]

Good players should get some leniency, for they add more than they take.

I agree, but SJD added absolutely nothing to the forums.

Sure, some of the stuff he posted may have been funny at times, but there's plenty of other posters here that are much funnier.

I don't think in a single one of his posts he ever offered advice on how to play the game.

 

[TheThaiger]

I agree, but SJD added absolutely nothing to the forums.

Sure, some of the stuff he posted may have been funny at times, but there's plenty of other posters here that are much funnier.

I don't think in a single one of his posts he ever offered advice on how to play the game.

If you are waiting for funnier posters to come along and fill the void, you may be in for a long wait. Take what you can get.

Great players telling you NOT to do something is just as valuable as great players telling you TO do something, surely?

If you're waiting for a magic bullet to help you play better pool, you'll face a long wait there, too.

 

[JB Cases]

If you are waiting for funnier posters to come along and fill the void, you may be in for a long wait. Take what you can get.

Great players telling you NOT to do something is just as valuable as great players telling you TO do something, surely?

If you're waiting for a magic bullet to help you play better pool, you'll face a long wait there, too.

IF the great player knows for sure that the thing they are telling you NOT to do is something they know for sure does not work. But if that player is just being contrary out of spite or some other personal reason then perhaps the advice isn't that great.

Also great players differ in opinion. One plays with a system and another is pure feel. So who is right?

This isn't life or death decisions. It's pool. Nothing that a banger/part time player tries is going to sabotage their pool career. So why waste time telling people NOT to try something.

In my shop I tell my staff to try EVERYTHING. Every technique we see, every neat idea, every method, everything. We don't always use the methods we try constantly, we may never go beyond the initial experiment but we try it and some things we keep and others we discard.

I learned a bunch of new things just last week after a visit to Will Prout's house. At his house I was able to inspect many Phil Eastwood cases. Phil is an artist who is not a traditional leather worker. So he is not bound by convention and uses leather in ways that other leather workers don't. Seeing a lot of his work in one spot showed me that there is a lot more that can be done with leather that works than I realized. That's where reality is the teacher.

 

[Spimp13]

I guess at the end of the day I would prefer someone to attempt to help others get better vs doing nothing regardless on if I agree with the technique/teaching. At least they are trying. There is a ton of controversy over how to play pool and no one best method for all. I have been asked many times to teach lower handicaps on how to play as they have played league with me and loved how I explained my coaches. I don't use CTE. If I had to say what the closest thing I do to an aiming system would probably be ghostball...but I don't try to explain it in too much depth because I don't think I am an expert.

These guys that dedicate their lives to teaching pool is a great thing. I like it that people pursue different ways to do something. Aiming systems can help shorten the learning curve for you...they aren't going to make you most likely a world beater, but they possibly can help you get better in some way. Even if I don't agree with one technique vs the other it seems to some extent each type of aiming system has helped at the very least 1 person...so why is it such a touchy topic? If you don't agree with it, so be it...do what works for you. Just my humble opinion being a student of the game for 15+ years now.

 

[Agent 99]

"Also great players differ in opinion. One plays with a system and another is pure feel. So who is right?"

I think they both are.

If you believe you can not, or if you believe you can, you're probably right ..

 

[CreeDo]

Great players telling you NOT to do something is just as valuable as great players telling you TO do something, surely?

Nah, there are a million possible wrong choices in any given 1p situation.
Hearing one of them isn't half as valuable as hearing the one or two best options.

Anyway he didn't talk about shots at all, all of his posts existed to just tear people down.
They all boiled down to "you're an idiot" or "you're a nit" or "you can't play 1p".

If I wanna hear a useless old guy ridicule someone I'll watch a rerun of Sanford & Son.

 

[justadub]

Nah, there are a million possible wrong choices in any given 1p situation.
Hearing one of them isn't half as valuable as hearing the one or two best options.

Anyway he didn't talk about shots at all, all of his posts existed to just tear people down.
They all boiled down to "you're an idiot" or "you're a nit" or "you can't play 1p".

If I wanna hear a useless old guy ridicule someone I'll watch a rerun of Sanford & Son.

^^^ this.

Even if he didn't try to actually help someone with their game, he could have given great insight given his history. The fabled "road stories". Anything along those lines. Yet all he felt compelled to do was to tear people down, thinking he was funny. Occasionally he was, but far more often it was just mean spirited.

Perhaps when he comes back, he might learn to play well with others here. My hunch is that he won't, but I hope that he does.

 

[JB Cases]

"Also great players differ in opinion. One plays with a system and another is pure feel. So who is right?"

I think they both are.

If you believe you can not, or if you believe you can, you're probably right ..

Exactly, they both are. Because in this journey called life all roads lead to death and you can go through your life sticking to one path or trying many paths.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Isnt it interesting that shots being asked to be reproduced are shots that have been practiced?

Oh we're any of those shots combos or caroms? Did any of those require theCB to stop at a certain position like in a real game? Trick shots, nothing more.

Anyone can do trick shots if they so desire to practice them. Remember trick shots are not in the heat battle.

I can set up a 3 rail bank on a table and garrantee it can not be made on the first try. None of this try, miss and try again. Nope first time try only.

Does not matter if I can, only if the system user can.

Anyone that thinks they walk up to any table, that they never played on therefore not knowing how the table plays and they can make any shoot using CTE is talking out their ass. This just shows how inexperience they are. The ability to adjust to a table is feel and no system will give you that.

Example.....when Cal billiards closed, the players started coming to Edgies. The difference in tabes and pockets was night and day. It been fun watching the good shooters from Cal struggle on these tables. It been funny. They are having to adjust. From some it's been a challenge cause of accurancy needed to hit the pocket just right.

I can go on those same tables and not have a issue. Why....cause I know the tables, I know how the pockets play. I know which tables roll which way. And so on.

I'm at Edgies if anyone ever wants to see how effective ghost ball can be in actual games. Offer been out there for awhile. No money. Anyone can play and lose money. But to play for bragging right only. For honor, for being the better shooter. Well, this just scares people to much.

Trick shots? If they're trick shots... replicate what he did. Otherwise...shuuuuut uuuuup.

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[itsfroze]

Being only a silver member, I was just wondering how that Gold Membership
was working out for you Gerry?

Oh I see, I don't think you deserved that.

I guess I'll just stay Silver, Thanks

 

[DAVE_M]

Being only a silver member, I was just wondering how that Gold Membership
was working out for you Gerry?

Oh I see, I don't think you deserved that.

I guess I'll just stay Silver, Thanks

I bought a Gold Membership to support AzB
That doesn't mean I get immunity for breaking rules

I also support the Louisiana State Police, made a donation, and display sticker they gave me on the back of my vehicle.
That doesn't mean I get immunity from the state laws.

 

[Cory in DC]

Entirely ridiculous - let's hope it's short.

Banning good players is daft. Good players have big egos and are competitive by nature. Pidge, a 300 ball 14.1 player, 140+ snooker player and 10 packer, said something innocuous by British standards, and got banned for it, and hasn't been back since. I wonder how the delicate flower that reported him stacks up in the talent stakes? I know whose posts I'd like to read.

And now a HOFer and a short stop have gone, over next to nothing. I seriously doubt my mother would be offended by that, in fact I know she wouldn't. Ban those with no sense of humour, I say.

Good players should get some leniency, for they add more than they take.

Are you talking about SJD or Gerry? Gerry is an extremely good player.

Who knows where SJD's game is now, but he was certainly an accomplished one-pocket player. I've only seen him in one accustats video against Cliff. SJD played real tight, old school 1P, not the more aggressive modern 8 & out style.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Being only a silver member, I was just wondering how that Gold Membership
was working out for you Gerry?

Oh I see, I don't think you deserved that.

I guess I'll just stay Silver, Thanks

He had zero business getting banned. That HOFer is about as useful as body lice and Gerry invests his time (non-stop) into helping others play better and does nothing but contribute content to the forum.

Gerry has never said a sideways comment about anyone... he merely said what the entire planet was thinking.

SJD is useless other than walking around in tight uniforms asking people to sign for their package....and to proactively start flame wars on AZB just for fun.

SJD never helped ONE PERSON play better pool here. His goal was to create conflict. That nasty, rude geriatric colostomy-mouth can run his wheel chair down a flight of stairs and do the planet a favor.

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[itsfroze]

I bought a Gold Membership to support AzB
That doesn't mean I get immunity for breaking rules

I also support the Louisiana State Police, made a donation, and display sticker they gave me on the back of my vehicle.
That doesn't mean I get immunity from the state laws.

Sorry, that my point went over your head.

And no, I wasn't implying you are short.

 

[TheThaiger]

Also great players differ in opinion. One plays with a system and another is pure feel. So who is right?

It depends on whether you believe systems make players great or not. I've not seen a single shred of evidence to suggest a system makes a blind bit of difference to a great player. Great players are great players, system or not.

System = shill or placebo.

Find me a single English pool or snooker player that believes they became a great player as a direct result of a system and I'll listen.

You won't.

IF THEY ARE SO GOOD, WHY ARE YOU SO BAD?
IF THEY ARE SO GOOD, WHY ARE YOU SO BAD?
IF THEY ARE SO GOOD, WHY ARE YOU SO BAD?

Please take time to consider this question carefully, as there is a glaring schism in your thinking on this one.

 

[TheThaiger]

Nah, there are a million possible wrong choices in any given 1p situation.
Hearing one of them isn't half as valuable as hearing the one or two best options.

Anyway he didn't talk about shots at all, all of his posts existed to just tear people down.
They all boiled down to "you're an idiot" or "you're a nit" or "you can't play 1p".

If I wanna hear a useless old guy ridicule someone I'll watch a rerun of Sanford & Son.

What DO you want then? I don't get you lot. Is this forum better for having characters like Dick around or not?

From where I am, I don't see people helping me play better pool OR making me laugh. All I see is people celebrating when a genuinely great player gets the boot.