Jayson Shaw is looking for a tournament backer

cleary

cleary

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Jayson Shaw is looking for a backer for tournaments. He asked me to post, he's about as good with a computer as I am at pool.

He's not looking for a handout, but a business partnership. US and international major events. Someone steady, not a one time thing. He's a hell of a player with top finishes in nearly everything he enters. He's bound to snap one off soon.

Looking for someone to cover travel/hotel/entries and split winnings at a fair percentage.

If anyone is interested PM me for his contact info.
 
cleary said:
Jayson Shaw is looking for a backer for tournaments. He asked me to post, he's about as good with a computer as I am at pool.

He's not looking for a handout, but a business partnership. US and international major events. Someone steady, not a one time thing. He's a hell of a player with top finishes in nearly everything he enters. He's bound to snap one off soon.

Looking for someone to cover travel/hotel/entries and split winnings at a fair percentage.

If anyone is interested PM me for his contact info.
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I had wondered when he split with Geoff Conway what had happened... Geoff still speaks very highly of Jayson so maybe that is a bridge that has not been burned down? I like Jayson's game and as soon as he masters his emotions during the peaks and valleys of the big events he may go off and win everything in sight... He is the only player out there currently who can overpower the diamond like Earl used to do to the gold crowns.....
 
cleary said:
Looking for someone to cover travel/hotel/entries and split winnings at a fair percentage.
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Just curious, does he have "no" sponsorship? Cue company, table manufacturer, chalk...?

I thought sponsorship deals were made in part to cover some of the costs of tournament expenses?

Shaw is a great player and paying the entry to put him into events for a return would likely be a decent gamble but one you are putting up airfare and hotel as well the amount of money being risked is pretty huge. Even to put him into a event on the opposite coast in the USA would cost close to $2000 all in, and that tourney if he wins pays out $10,000 for first if he manages to beat SVB, Dennis, Corteza, and all of the other champs in there. Then he gets a cut of that 10 grand...

It would be a fun sweat, but I cannot see how it would make financial sense. You are almost guaranteed to lose over the long run.

ATM he has $5,200 in winnings this year. He played in the DCC (all events including the Bigfoot $1000 entry), the US Bar Box, and a event in New York. A backer is losing their shirt this year so far covering all of the travel, hotel, and entries.

There are a small few players in the world where this is a good bet. SVB certainly, Dennis O, and.... I honestly don't know if there is another pool player in the world atm where this is a good horse for a backer to put money on. Shaw is good, but he is not good enough and his winnings this year and last show that clearly. Last year he did well, but that $49,000 he won in events would be chewed up easily by the costs.

I know he said this not a request for a "handout" but a "business partnership". Would he perchance be able to go over the 2013 season and work out a business plan on how his "backer" would have made money that year?
 
Celtic said:
Just curious, does he have "no" sponsorship? Cue company, table manufacturer, chalk...?

I thought sponsorship deals were made in part to cover some of the costs of tournament expenses?

Shaw is a great player and paying the entry to put him into events for a return would likely be a decent gamble but one you are putting up airfare and hotel as well the amount of money being risked is pretty huge. Even to put him into a event on the opposite coast in the USA would cost close to $2000 all in, and that tourney if he wins pays out $10,000 for first if he manages to beat SVB, Dennis, Corteza, and all of the other champs in there. Then he gets a cut of that 10 grand...

It would be a fun sweat, but I cannot see how it would make financial sense. You are almost guaranteed to lose over the long run.

ATM he has $5,200 in winnings this year. He played in the DCC (all events including the Bigfoot $1000 entry), the US Bar Box, and a event in New York. A backer is losing their shirt this year so far covering all of the travel, hotel, and entries.

There are a small few players in the world where this is a good bet. SVB certainly, Dennis O, and.... I honestly don't know if there is another pool player in the world atm where this is a good horse for a backer to put money on. Shaw is good, but he is not good enough and his winnings this year and last show that clearly. Last year he did well, but that $49,000 he won in events would be chewed up easily by the costs.

I know he said this not a request for a "handout" but a "business partnership". Would he perchance be able to go over the 2013 season and work out a business plan on how his "backer" would have made money that year?
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Always the optimist
 
Celtic said:
Just curious, does he have "no" sponsorship? Cue company, table manufacturer, chalk...?

I thought sponsorship deals were made in part to cover some of the costs of tournament expenses?

Shaw is a great player and paying the entry to put him into events for a return would likely be a decent gamble but one you are putting up airfare and hotel as well the amount of money being risked is pretty huge. Even to put him into a event on the opposite coast in the USA would cost close to $2000 all in, and that tourney if he wins pays out $10,000 for first if he manages to beat SVB, Dennis, Corteza, and all of the other champs in there. Then he gets a cut of that 10 grand...

It would be a fun sweat, but I cannot see how it would make financial sense. You are almost guaranteed to lose over the long run.

ATM he has $5,200 in winnings this year. He played in the DCC (all events including the Bigfoot $1000 entry), the US Bar Box, and a event in New York. A backer is losing their shirt this year so far covering all of the travel, hotel, and entries.

There are a small few players in the world where this is a good bet. SVB certainly, Dennis O, and.... I honestly don't know if there is another pool player in the world atm where this is a good horse for a backer to put money on. Shaw is good, but he is not good enough and his winnings this year and last show that clearly. Last year he did well, but that $49,000 he won in events would be chewed up easily by the costs.

I know he said this not a request for a "handout" but a "business partnership". Would he perchance be able to go over the 2013 season and work out a business plan on how his "backer" would have made money that year?
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My thoughts exactly. Can't envision making money in the long run as a backer.
 
How do you make money as a player if you have to split what little you win? Especially if you have to pay taxes on top of that.
 
efirkey said:
How do you make money as a player if you have to split what little you win? Especially if you have to pay taxes on top of that.
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You can write off all expenses which would outweigh the cashes unless you are a top 3 player.
 
He's looking for someone to pay his way to tourneys so he has more cash to gamble with, that's why he isn't requesting an action backer.
 
Jayson is a world beater of the highest order and will win something big at some point.
 
Just as a general rule (i.e. not specific to Shaw), I don't see how you can back someone for tournaments and not for action at the tournament. If your guy stays up all night to gamble (and wins) and then dogs the tournament because he's exhausted...well, you've just paid his travel expenses to gamble, and you've got no part of his gambling winnings.

What am I missing?
 
DTL said:
If I was 100% retired I'd consider giving it a go. First thing I'd tell him is that he needs to practice like the Philipino's/German's/SVB do. Every time I've seen him practicing he's firing in balls 100 mph using 5 rail shape when medium speed and 1 rail position will do.........trying to impress onlookers. That crap doesn't get you the cash. Also would stress the importance of regular exercise, 8-10 hours daily sleep, and a healthy diet.......not junk food, staying up late hours drinking (during a multi-day tournament), etc.

He CAN get there........be one of the greatest. Question is, will he?
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I'll say this, he quit drinking 6 months ago and all he does is practice and exercise. Pool is his focus.
 
DTL said:
If I was 100% retired I'd consider giving it a go. First thing I'd tell him is that he needs to practice like the Philipino's/German's/SVB do. Every time I've seen him practicing he's firing in balls 100 mph using 5 rail shape when medium speed and 1 rail position will do.........trying to impress onlookers. That crap doesn't get you the cash. Also would stress the importance of regular exercise, 8-10 hours daily sleep, and a healthy diet.......not junk food, staying up late hours drinking (during a multi-day tournament), etc.

He CAN get there........be one of the greatest. Question is, will he?
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Healthy diet, stop drinking? You do know he is Glaswegian?

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prewarhero said:
you cant. He does not know what he is talking about.
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I don't know what I'm talking about or someone else? You can 100% write off all expenses if you're a professional pool player. FACT

Example:

Player cashes for $16,000 for the year.

Expenses including hotels, meals, mileage to and from tourneys, airfare if applicable, cue stick, shafts, chalk, case, any other equipment, table time, etc... total $15,500.

Player only has to pay taxes on $500 for that year.
 
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