Scott Gracio I want my cue or money back now.

Some alias made a thread praising Showman's generosity.

Somehow, if I remember, that deal involved Ken.

When the original thread was deleted, Ken started one of his own which had a similar fate.

Sumting fishy was going on there.
 
Some alias made a thread praising Showman's generosity.

Somehow, if I remember, that deal involved Ken.

When the original thread was deleted, Ken started one of his own which had a similar fate.

Sumting fishy was going on there.

poor ken must feel like rodney dangerfield. he went to the ''OTHER'' forum and posted his experience with showman over there also. jimbob lambasted him. poor ken just can't get no respect about the shady deal showman pulled.
 
So sam what's the story of him not replying ect also are u getting ur cue?
If you are talking about me, not sure he said I will get my cue when it's finished. Which makes me happy because, I would not want it if it wasn't finished. But I will stay on top of it and I really think I am correct. In that I should get my cue before he sells any more cue on AZ.
 
Made a decision to take Jim Lee out, but he was almost in.
There hasn't been any current information on Jim Lee.
A few years ago Jim Lee had some expensive cues in for repair that were not getting returned, he was way behind on cue orders keeping deposits, and he was ill.
After all of the recent fake "help me out I'm broke and sick" guys looking for handouts, I don't know if we can even believe Jim Lee either.
Again, I didn't trust any of those guys, and people should be skeptical every time they see it.
Jim Lee might be sick, or he might be faking it and paying bills using other peoples money.
I would have to see a note from the doctor to believe any of these jokers.

Varney, wheat and the ultimate scumbag, stroud.
 
If you are talking about me, not sure he said I will get my cue when it's finished. Which makes me happy because, I would not want it if it wasn't finished. But I will stay on top of it and I really think I am correct. In that I should get my cue before he sells any more cue on AZ.

I hope u get one soon
 
I love these forums.

Can somebody explain to me how this is possible?


all this talk of a wall of shame and nobody has given him negative itrader?!?

I have thousands of transactions and only a few a were not perfect. I'm not the kind of person to negative back unless it's appropriate.


Wow, now lookie at what we have going on here! This is a little ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

I am not going to take the time to read through 10 pages of people bashing based on one side of a person's story. I had no idea this thread was taking place until it had reached 8 pages in length, at which point my wife's mother, who is operating her ebay business for her while she is ill, told me that she had gotten a message on ebay, stating that there was concern of my having a substance abuse problem. This could not be further from the truth and I wonder why Sam would email a complete stranger on ebay, who has a Gracio cue listed, and spread rumors like that? Very uncalled for and slanderous.

Since everyone seems to want an answer I will spill my life out to you guys. My wife, of 10 years and I have been going through a divorce in the last year. I was between 2 shops for a little while as we were trying to figure out what to do. In the last several months, we have been able to work things out. She has horrible health issues due to Cystic Fibrosis and had to have a bi-lateral lung transplant, (meaning both lungs), a TRANSPLANT, several years ago. She has now been diagnosed as rejecting her new lungs, which means she will die or have to have another transplant. In the last year she has had to have 3 surgeries for various things which mean we have had to travel 300 miles to her doctors in Seattle many times while she undergoes procedure after procedure to try to figure out what is happening to her. Recovery in the hospital sometimes takes a week or more. I have been stressed out, broke, and exhausted from trying to keep the household on track and take care of her at the same time, as well as trying to be artistic in the shop and keep everyone happy.

I rarely read these forums anymore because of all the drama that happens. It makes my job miserable to read all the BS and back stabbing that goes on in these threads. You guys are like gossipy women who have nothing better to do than feed the fire. I'm done letting the forum's drama affect my life and love for building cues. These forums are not my judge and jury anymore. One person posts something and everyone jumps on the band wagon to try to ruin one's name or reputation. You're affecting people everywhere, not just me. I've bent over backwards for my customers for years. Most of the people I've worked with know and trust my word. I'm not a thief! People will receive the quality and art I can put into a cue whether it's owed or a current paying build, and thanks to the online bullies, they will get them for less than they are worth. I hope Sam, you don't go so far as to ruin the value of the cues people are already playing with or trying to sell that have the Gracio name on it. One good fact is you can't hurt the looks and playability.

For everyone out there jumping on this thread or any other builder's thread, the more you drag someone's name around the further down their cue values will fall, which hurts everyone that owns a cue. It hurts builders from selling which makes them have to work harder to make money for their families. This will only slow the progress of any cue being built. Think about the precautions before you type. Don't jump into a thread with no dealings with the people involved. So many times the good guy looks bad in the end. I'm not saying I'm the good guy in this thread. I've read so many non productive threads in the past because the drama queens have to pipe in with uneducated opinions. Do you people read these forums for the drama?

Internet bullies remind me of this personality defect I've experienced around the car racing or hockey world. Some folks go for the excitement, others only for the crashes or fights. Pathetic!! If you've never (most people in this thread) dealt with me, then slow down with your words and see the outcome of this situation. Sam will get his cue and it will be worth the wait. It will be better than the first one that was stolen. Sam told me he would haunt any thread I started to sell a cue. Go ahead Sam, make my life more complicated if it makes you feel better. I'll still complete your cue and treat you with kindness. I have no room for anger in my life.

Ten pages of comments that are trash and speculation from people who know nothing of the situation, based on Sam's words in anger attempting to get something out of me which I told him is not ready. You all know truths get altered when people are angry. Not saying his words aren't true but they are twisted to make me look bad. I owe him a cue. I sent his cue to somebody else. They won't return it. True story. I stopped answering the same question because I have no new answer. Let me concentrate on work and I will have a different answer soon. I work 10AM to 2AM daily when life's complications don't interrupt. This thread being the most recent. I can not add 4 hours of phone conversation to my schedule. You will get your cue.

I browsed through some of these pages and I can assure you that I have no substance abuse problem, your crazy drama queen solutions will not it get the money back or get the cue done. It's Sams choice to get a refund or a cue. When I have the means to do either we will communicate further. Some communication is required during. We don't need to repeat the same weekly. That goes to all three people I have dept with. If there are any long term dealings I've forgot about or misplaced a work order for a reminder would be helpful. For example, I have a shaft sitting here that I have no idea who to send it back to. It has double metal rings in the collar and it's been on my work table for two moths. Please contact me.
Sam, I am not mad at you. I'm not sure how you could presume that through our recent text messages? I've told you many times it's not ready and my life is turned upside down so work is slow. I know that I need to finish your cue. Your replacement cue is not finished. This thread will not get your cue finished any faster. I did not fall off the face of the earth, I simply can not and will not respond to you once a week repeating the same conversation. Out me if you want. Your cue is not done yet. It will be worth the wait when it is done or I can refund you when I have the means.
You guys want to talk about the builders not coming through? You the customers, are not perfect. For every cue I complete and send out payment request half are problematic. Two weeks prior they claimed to be ready. Delays and even no payment happen all the time. Builders need to get paid when the cues are finished and we need to finish the cues as stated. Wood is a beast and money doesn't grow on trees so perfection either way will never happen. Both sides need improvement!!!!! Treat others as you want them to treat you. Simple rule of life.

Ideologist, I did not take your money and "disappear". You paid me about a week or so before posting here. I told you a client sent a cue back for a repair then did a charge back on his credit card, wiping out my paypal account. I had his cue for about 5 weeks, must have been too long for him to wait for his repair to be completed. I did not ask you for more money for shipping. I simply told you the reason it had not been shipped yet. The people who sent me extra for shipping in the past have offered so they could get their cue back sooner than I could do it. Your cue has been shipped and you have received it, why not come here and say so? I kept you informed. The few days I didn't come on AZ your PM's were not read. I was busy working to get some cash to ship your cue so getting on the forum wasn't a priority. You, I am irritated with, just fueling the fire. Sam, at least has a reason to say something, since he has been waiting about 10 months for a replacement cue. You jumped the gun. I finished my commitment to you, not as a result of this thread, as you antagonistically tried to claim, but because that's what I do.

I have hundreds of hours on this site and know how this pool world works. Money!!!! That's the bottom line. I build a cue. Somebody lowball pays. Somebody sells for profit. If you don't know this yet, learn it. Cues will be talked about more when money is to be made. I put a stop to this pumping my cues for profit years ago. I will not discount for flippers and they have never liked me much as a result. My cues have and will continue speak for themselves. I will deal with the pool player directly and they will pay my price, not a hyped salesman's prices.

I build a damn fine cue and am very good at what I do. I have a few debts, as does anyone. People are not crawling out of the wood work saying I have done them wrong. You don't want to buy my cues as a result of this thread, then your loss.

I do not want to post again on this thread. Feel free to twist my words, ridicule me, whatever gets your rocks off. I don't have the time to word this perfectly or repeat it for the next week. I'll be dealing with more important things like my wife's health and catching up on the business that I have gotten behind on.

Back to real life for me. Fire away drama queens...
 
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I have thousands of transactions and only a few a were not perfect. I'm not the kind of person to negative back unless it's appropriate.



This is a little ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

I am not going to take the time to read through 10 pages of people bashing based on one side of a person's story. I had no idea this thread was taking place until it had reached 8 pages in length, at which point my wife's mother, who is operating her ebay business for her while she is ill, told me that she had gotten a message on ebay, stating that there was concern of my having a substance abuse problem. This could not be farther from the truth and I wonder why Sam would email a complete stranger on ebay, who has a Gracio cue listed, and spread rumors like that? Very uncalled for and slanderous.

Since everyone seems to want an answer I will spill my life out to you guys. My wife, of 10 years and I have been going through a divorce in the last year. I was between 2 shops for a little while as we were trying to figure out what to do. In the last several months, we have been able to work things out. She has horrible health issues due to Cystic Fibrosis and had to have a bi-lateral lung transplant, (meaning both lungs), a TRANSPLANT, several years ago. She has now been diagnosed as rejecting her new lungs. In the last year she has had to have 3 surgeries for various things which mean we have had to travel 300 miles to her doctors in Seattle many times while she undergoes procedure after procedure to try to figure out what is happening to her. Recovery in the hospital sometimes takes a week or more. I have been stressed out, broke, and exhausted from trying to keep the household on track and take care of her at the same time, as well as trying to be artistic in the shop and keep everyone happy.

I rarely read these forums anymore because of all the drama that happens. It makes my job miserable to read all the BS and back stabbing that goes on in these threads. You guys are like gossipy women who have nothing better to do than feed the fire. I'm done letting the forums drama affect my life and love for building cues. These forums are not my judge and jury anymore. One person posts something and everyone jumps on the band wagon to try to ruin one's name or reputation. Your affecting people everywhere, not just me. I've bent over backwards for my customers for years. Most of the people I've worked with over the years know and trust my word. I'm not a thief, people will receive the quality and art I can put into a cue if it's owed or a paying build. And thanks to the online bullies they will get them for less then they are worth. I hope you don't go so far it ruins the value of the cues they are playing with or trying to sell that have the Gracio name on it. One good fact is you can't hurt the looks and playability.

The more you drag someone's name around the further down one's cue values will fall which hurts everyone that owns a cue. It hurts builders from selling which makes them have to work harder to make money for their families. This will only slow the progress of your cue Sam. Think about the precautions before you type. Don't jump into a thread with no dealings with the people involved. So many times the good guy looks bad in the end. I'm not saying I'm the good guy in this thread. I've read so many non productive threads in the past because the drama queens have to pipe in with uneducated opinions. Do you read these forums for the drama? I don't. I read for positive reasons and to see sexy cue pictures.

I like car races. I grew up around the racing. What a great time when nobody gets hurt. I know people that only enjoy the wrecks. Internet bullies remind me of this personality defect I've experienced around the racing world. If I owe you something feel free to be honest and talk. If you've never (most people in this thread) dealt with me then slow down with your words and see the outcome of this situation. Will Same will get his cue? Sam told me he would haunt any thread I started selling a cue. Go ahead Sam, make my life more complicated if it makes you feel better. I'll still complete your cue and treat you with kindness. I have no room for anger in my life.
Ten pages of comments that are trash and speculation from people who know nothing of the situation, based on Sam's words in anger attempting to get something out of me which I told him is not ready. You all know truths get altered when people are angry. Not saying his words aren't true. They are worded to make me look bad. I owe him a cue. I sent his cue to somebody else. They won't return it. True story. I stopped answering the same question because I have no new answer. Let me concentrate on work and I will have a different answer soon. I work 10AM to 2AM daily when lives complications don't interrupt. This thread being the most recent. I can not add 4 hours of phone conversation to my schedule. You will get your cue.

I browsed through some of these pages and I can assure you that I have no substance abuse problem, your crazy drama queen solutions will not it get the money back or get the cue done. It's Sams choice to get a refund or a cue. When I have the means to do either we will communicate further. Some communication is required during. We don't need to repeat the same weekly. That goes to all three people I have dept with. If there are any long term dealings I've forgot about or misplaced a work order for a reminder would be helpful. For example, I have a shaft sitting here that I have no idea who to send it back to. It has double metal rings in the collar and it's been on my work table for two moths. Please contact me.


Sam, I am not mad at you. I'm not sure how you could presume that through our recent text messages? I've told you many times it's not ready and my life is turned upside down so work is slow. I know that I need to finish your cue. Your replacement cue is not finished. This thread will not get your cue finished any faster. I did not fall off the face of the earth, I simply can not and will not respond to you once a week repeating the same conversation. Out me if you want. Your cue is not done yet. It will be worth the wait when it is done or I can refund you when I have the means.

You guys want to talk about the builders not coming through? You the customer are not perfect. For every cue I complete and send out payment request half are problematic. Two weeks prior they claimed to be ready. Delays and even no payment happen all the time. Builders need to get paid when the cues are finished and we need to finish the cues as stated. Wood is a beast and money doesn't grow on trees so perfection either way will never happen. Both sides need improvement!!!!! Treat others as you want them to treat you. Simple rule of life.

Ideologist, I did not take your money and "disappear". You paid me about a week or so before posting here. I told you a client sent a cue back for a repair then did a charge back on his credit card, wiping out my paypal account. I believe the cue was in my possession for 6 weeks. A little long for a repair but my work load is heavy and it's hard fitting in an unscheduled repair. I'm not upset over this and I hope the customer is forgiving now that his cue is shipped. I did not ask you for more money for shipping. My paypal was froze so what good would it do? I simply told you the reason it had not been shipped yet. The people who sent me extra for shipping in the past have offered so they could get their cue back sooner then I could do. Your cue has been shipped and you have should of received it by now. I kept you informed. The few days I didn't come on AZ your PM's were not read. I was busy working to get some cash to ship your cue so getting on the forum wasn't priority. Sam, at least has a reason to say something, since he has been waiting about 10 months for a replacement cue. You jumped the gun.

I have hundreds of hours on this site and know how this pool world works. Money!!!! That's the bottom line. I build cue. Somebody lowball pays. Somebody sells for profit. If you don't know this yet learn it. Cues will be talked about more when money is to be made. I put a stop to this pumping my cues for profit years ago. I will not discount for flippers and they have never liked me much. My cues have and will continue speak for themselves. I will deal with the pool player directly and they will pay my price. Not a hyped salesman prices. That's not fair to the player. I build a damn fine cue and am very good at what I do. I have a few debts. People are not crawling out of the wood work saying I have done them wrong. A few crawlers but I will finish my commitment with them. Out me and don't buy my cues. Your loss.
I will not post again on this thread. Feel free to twist my words, ridicule me, whatever gets your rocks off. I don't have the time to word this perfect or repeat it for the next week. I'll be dealing with more important things like my wife's health and catching up on the business that I have gotten behind on.

Back to real life for me. Fire away drama queens...
I bolded the only two parts that are relevant.

The first being a threat after a long list of excuses and the second completely failing to address the situation after another set of excuses.

You're not communicating with your customers. I'm not even sure you admitted any wrong doing. Just make it right. The world falling apart around you is not an excuse to burn people. It never will be.
 
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he implied he is working on sams cue. so simple send sam a picture of what he has done so far. i cant believe that could have been a lie.
one truth for sure everyone posting about what happened to them will affect the value of his cues and his rep. that has only happened because he wont respond and send out what has been paid for. his rep. is one the line and only does he have a very short time to correct it. and blaming the posters for his problems on makes it worse. so maybe instead of working for 4 hours a day work for ten so you pay off what you were paid in advance for. that will bring back what you have lost in rep. wait too long and you are out of business for life. bad rep. follows forever. people will forgive but not forget. and wont forgive after getting bullshit blamed for them being the cause.
 
Lets hope Scott doesn't ask for "shipping money" when that magical cue is all finished and ready to go!!!
 
This is a little ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

Very uncalled for and slanderous.

My wife, of 10 years and I have been going through a divorce in the last year. I was between 2 shops for a little while as we were trying to figure out what to do. She has horrible health issues...I have been stressed out, broke, and exhausted from trying to keep the household on track and take care of her at the same time...

You guys are like gossipy women who have nothing better to do than feed the fire. I'm done letting the forum's drama affect my life and love for building cues. These forums are not my judge and jury anymore. I hope Sam, you don't go so far as to ruin the value of the cues people are already playing with or trying to sell that have the Gracio name on it.

For everyone out there jumping on this thread or any other builder's thread, the more you drag someone's name around the further down their cue values will fall, which hurts everyone that owns a cue. It hurts builders from selling which makes them have to work harder to make money for their families. This will only slow the progress of any cue being built. Think about the precautions before you type.

Sam will get his cue and it will be worth the wait. It will be better than the first one that was stolen. Sam told me he would haunt any thread I started to sell a cue. Go ahead Sam, make my life more complicated if it makes you feel better.

Ten pages of comments that are trash and speculation from people who know nothing of the situation, based on Sam's words in anger attempting to get something out of me which I told him is not ready. Not saying his words aren't true but they are twisted to make me look bad. I stopped answering the same question because I have no new answer. I can not add 4 hours of phone conversation to my schedule. You will get your cue.

It's Sams choice to get a refund or a cue. When I have the means to do either we will communicate further.

This thread will not get your cue finished any faster. I did not fall off the face of the earth, I simply can not and will not respond to you once a week repeating the same conversation.

You the customers, are not perfect. For every cue I complete and send out payment request half are problematic. Treat others as you want them to treat you. Simple rule of life.

Ideologist, I did not take your money and "disappear". You paid me about a week or so before posting here. I told you a client sent a cue back for a repair then did a charge back on his credit card, wiping out my paypal account. I had his cue for about 5 weeks, must have been too long for him to wait for his repair to be completed. I did not ask you for more money for shipping. The people who sent me extra for shipping in the past have offered so they could get their cue back sooner than I could do it. Your cue has been shipped and you have received it, why not come here and say so? You, I am irritated with, just fueling the fire. You jumped the gun. I finished my commitment to you, not as a result of this thread, as you antagonistically tried to claim, but because that's what I do.

I have a few debts, as does anyone.

I do not want to post again on this thread. Feel free to twist my words, ridicule me, whatever gets your rocks off.

Back to real life for me. Fire away drama queens...

I don't think you did yourself any favors with this reply.

Translation: "Regardless of my shortcomings and failures to my customers or how it has affected you, you have no right to complain or expect anything different. I don't have to answer to you or anyone else. When I have problems in my life, it is my right to pass them on to you and make them your problems.

You have no right to complain about it. You especially have no right to complain about it because it might have a negative affect on my future business. It might even affect the value of other peoples cues. Because of this I should get a free pass to do as I please and treat my customers however I want. In fact, you are too dumb to realize that you are just shooting yourself in the foot and this will only make you have to wait even longer for the cue that was due to you long ago.

I don't have to update you on your cues progress, even when it is massively past due, because I'm too busy, don't feel like it, and don't owe it to you anyway. The only answer you will ever get from me is you will get it when you get it. That means when it is convenient for MY schedule, for MY finances, and MY desire. Go ahead and cry, it won't get there any sooner and I won't make any extra efforts for you.

I also have a right to do certain customers wrong because other different customers have done me wrong. The fact that the particular customers I choose to do wrong to aren't ones that have done anything wrong to me is immaterial to me. One scummy customer, all scummy customers."


Wow, really? Now here is the real scoop. Contrary to what you think, your problems are just that, your problems--not your customer's.

So money is so tight that you can't refund a cue when it is massively past due and the customer rightfully wants out? Money is so tight that you can't even afford the shipping (that was prepaid) to ship the cues out to your customers when they finally are complete? Your life gets in the way of your cue making so much that you can't even remotely come close to delivering when you promised you would? Your belief system or schedule makes you think your customers aren't owed updates on past due cues or repairs and you feel they are unreasonable for expecting that?

Here is the solution for you. Go get a job. You have zero business being a cue maker. Or being in charge of any business that sells any service or product to anyone for that matter. This just isn't your thing. You aren't cut out for it. Or if you are, this sure isn't the right time in your life for it. Go get a job and come back to cue making when it is the right time, if ever.

Here is another solution for many of the problems. Sell things so you can issue the refunds immediately, or pay to ship a cue when it is ready. Have more than one car? Sell all but one of them, you only need one. Have a boat? You don't need it. Is your car worth more than $3000? Sell it and buy one for $2000, and use the extra money to meet your obligations. Have a big wide screen TV? Sell it. Go get an old fashioned box TV from the pawn shop for $40. I'm sure you have lots of tools that you don't need right at this very moment that you could sell. You can replace them later when you are in a better place. I'm sure you even have cue making machinery that sure is nice to have, but that you don't NEED to make your cues. Sell it. Have any collectibles? When you are in debt they serve no purpose but to tie up money that should go to other things. I could go on and on.

I guarantee if I went to your home I could find tons of things you could sell to take care of all of the refunds that are due, and put you in a position where a customer would never have to wait for their cue to be shipped again because you didn't have $20 to ship a cue. Yes I know, you don't want to sell any of your things, as you and what you want are more important than the customer. The customer should have to feel the pain for your issues, not you.

The thing is, you are only making your situation worse. Your business and income is going to continue to go down because of how you are treating your customers. If you would just buckle down and make some hard sacrifices now, it would pay off in the long run because your customer base and income would increase because you would get a reputation for good customer service and honoring your obligations.
 
I bolded the only two parts that are relevant.

The first being a threat after a long list of excuses and the second completely failing to address the situation after another set of excuses.

You're not communicating with your customers. I'm not even sure you admitted any wrong doing. Just make it right. The world falling apart around you is not an excuse to burn people. It never will be.

Yep, ^^^^^ now, scott has me agreeing with my mortal "enemy" in NPR !! what is this world coming too :)
 
I will most certainly post as soon as I get my cue. I will post when I get a date the cue will be finished. I will post a picture when I get one. As I said we shall see. Scott has a forum to show his integrity.
 
SCOTT will come through

If by "come through" you mean that he will eventually deliver when he feels like it, is financially able, has the time, life isn't getting in the way, etc, etc, etc, etc, then yeah, he may eventually "come through". That isn't "coming through" to me. And in my mind he has shown himself to be the kind of guy that will screw people as much as he feels he needs to based on his own circumstances, and wouldn't be above not delivering at all when it benefits him enough, so even having an eventual delivery isn't a foregone conclusion.

In my book "coming through" means delivering at least some time in the general ball park vicinity of when you promised. It means taking something down to the pawn shop to pawn or sell when you need to get the $20 so you can immediately ship out the customer's cue when it is finished, instead of making the customer wait or have to pay again for the shipping they already paid for once. It means taking something bigger down to the pawn shop to sell or pawn when you have to get the funds to refund a customer whose cue is massively past due and they understandably have lost faith or just want out of the hassle. And above all else, it means communicating with the customer about everything that is going on fully, honestly, and often.

Scott has already failed to "come through". Nothing he does in the future changes that.
 
Why do people, the cuemaker in this instance, feel that their personal issues should be visited on everyone else?

Your personal problems, all be it sad (if true), do not absolve you of your responsibilities. Where's your honor?

I'm sure you were raised better.

Takes seconds to send an email, takes a few minutes to make a phone call.

Nonsense insulting answer. Your customers deserve better.
 
I'm glad that at least a couple of people have taken the time to analyze Scott's last post.

This type of response as a last ditch effort by the maker is absolutely not uncommon.

Literally ever person, maker, that has messed up with their customers has made a similar post in the past.

What does it mean? Pretty much Zero. They just hope it buys a little sympathy and a little more time.

And you know where you find Sympathy in the Dictionary.

Between Shit and Syphilis.

Having problems in life makes you no more unique than the next person. The fact that you let your lifes tribulations create extra problems for others is no way to handle your situation.

Unless you are a relative, my best Buddy, your problems are exactly that, your problems and do not try and put them on myself.

Scott received other peoples hard earned money on his Word. He has used their money without giving them anything to hope or show for it other than promises and excuses. Those we know, are a dime a dozen.

Somewhere down the road, someone will give the rip off artists an opportunity to spit a few Chicklets outta their mouth and that usually is a great attitude changer.
 
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