TheThaiger
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Anyone disagree?
Barton cannot aim
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He can aim, but his stroke is so bad that it doesn't much matter what he is actually aiming at.
An aiming system just has to take you on the striking-line. nothing else. and if you don t have the necessary fundamentals not aiming system in the world will help you.
It looks like that table plays a little tough, and isn't kind to balls that are shot fast unless you hit it perfectly, and John just doesn't have the mechanics to do that.
During the match someone named Cuetie in the chat mentioned that John uses CTE and that CTE stood for Can't Tell Exactly.
Now that's just funny.
John has much more to worry about than just his aiming. That much is very clear.
I'm shocked he still has a chance to pull out a victory.
Now that's just funny.
John has much more to worry about than just his aiming. That much is very clear.
I'm shocked he still has a chance to pull out a victory.
straightback
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Down 8-6 in 1p, Barton has no chance. Hilarious he would insist on a tight table with crummy mechanics like his. Sorta like filming a video about Kamui chalk and including a world beater miscue. Sorta like woofing up bets and declining "because my wife said no.". Sorta like generally being a narcissistic poster on AZB. Sorta like you get the point...
TheThaiger
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Lol. You're going green straightway, sunshine.
TheThaiger
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Barton reckons potting balls down the rails in English pool is easy. Those are buckets compared to English pool pockets.
At least one of you pro Pro One guys will say the truth. Nothing against John but he's not the poster boy for Pro One.
Who said that John is THE PRO ONE poster boy??
John went through a PRO ONE course just 4/5 weeks ago. Anyone that keeps up with CTE clearly knows that CTE proficiency is not gained in 30 days. However, John is doing fine so far but he is only SCRATCHING THE SURFACE of what I presented him at this point. Having said that, he had the desire to learn the system and is well on his way to being an improved player.
John is a MAN out there. Do not think for one minute that Lou can not play. He is a heck of a player with a ton of seasoning. I tip my hat to John and Lou For putting it out there.
Keep in mind that CTE is visual and JOHN will continue to get stronger with CTE. And his stroke is stronger and most likely holds up better than many that have criticized him.
John is promoting the choice of learning aiming systems if one chooses to do so without being heckled by those that do not like them.
Stan Shuffett
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While not a fan of CTE for personal reasons, I was afraid the bashing of CTE would happen based on a players performance. It aint the system, it's the player, and I do not mean this as a dig to John. Both John and Lou have my respect for this showing. Takes alot of balls....
What is really being showned that it isn't the system used, but how well the system is used. In addition, it shows that aiming is the easy part, getting the ball to the aim point consistently is not.
I'm for using whatever works for the player, as such do not let how well someone uses a system as a determining factor if it's for you or not without first giving it a try.
Just glad John hasnt been talking up ghost ball........J/k
Good luck to both.....
What is really being showned that it isn't the system used, but how well the system is used. In addition, it shows that aiming is the easy part, getting the ball to the aim point consistently is not.
I'm for using whatever works for the player, as such do not let how well someone uses a system as a determining factor if it's for you or not without first giving it a try.
Just glad John hasnt been talking up ghost ball........J/k
Good luck to both.....
A reasonable, common sense post by Duckie. The world must be coming to an end.
I love all the railbirds heckling John and CTE/Pro One. Which one of you guys is next in line to put up $10K of your own money and putting it all out there on Streaming? Which one of you guys were praising CTE/Pro One when Landon Shuffett crushed Earl Strickland at Tunica a couple of years ago using CTE/Pro One exclusively as his aiming system?
John's misses didn't appear to be the result of aiming but stroke related. However, say what you will but Lou is no dog. He's a 100+ straight pool player and played in a number of pro events. Despite all that, John was a hand full of misses away from having already won this match. I've never seen such a bunch of keyboard heroes in my life. If you guys want to diss CTE/Pro One, which one of you wants to step forward with your own money and play Stevie Moore, Landon Shuffett or Stan Shuffett?
I love all the railbirds heckling John and CTE/Pro One. Which one of you guys is next in line to put up $10K of your own money and putting it all out there on Streaming? Which one of you guys were praising CTE/Pro One when Landon Shuffett crushed Earl Strickland at Tunica a couple of years ago using CTE/Pro One exclusively as his aiming system?
John's misses didn't appear to be the result of aiming but stroke related. However, say what you will but Lou is no dog. He's a 100+ straight pool player and played in a number of pro events. Despite all that, John was a hand full of misses away from having already won this match. I've never seen such a bunch of keyboard heroes in my life. If you guys want to diss CTE/Pro One, which one of you wants to step forward with your own money and play Stevie Moore, Landon Shuffett or Stan Shuffett?
Lou definitely pivots while he is down....what's up with that? I was there in person, seen it with my own eyes
Stan, I love ya. And I know you recently gave John some lessons, and I know how that feels to have a student watched closely. What John is doing is a result of NOT studiously applying those lessons. Sure, it takes time to ingrain new habits, but for that kind of money, one would think you would make sure that you carefully apply everything you know. He isn't doing that. He reverted back to his old ways way too often.
Honestly, his stroke is just awful on a lot of shots. Stick and whole body flying all over the place. I know most won't, but I actually look at it as a good testament to pro 1 that he made some of the shots that he did, despite his poor stroking! I feel that using CTE on the banks is the only thing that even kept John in the game. He made a bunch of good banks.
Quite frankly, Lou really surprised me. For a person with his qualifications, he missed some very routine shots that never should have been missed. (CTE would really benefit him, despite his thoughts on it) And, he made some really bone-headed moves that cost him every game he lost. ??? (edit: some of them were so bad that if he wasn't winning anyways, it would be hard to argue that he wasn't dumping!) Maybe he was just worn out and couldn't think straight anymore.??? He had the chance to blow JB out of the water, and kept giving it back to him, now it's close. Not close enough, but way closer than it should have been.
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Neil, I agree with you. He can't stroke the cue ball. And this is the result of "false perception" and alignment. Stan said it. It is visual. First thing John has to do is learn how to perceive the visuals. He missed a thin cut which was 1/8 inside (maybe outside) and he almost hit it as a half ball hit. And he made this weird movement with his stroking arm. This has to do with perception.
I should have said CTE poster boy.
John has been singing the praises of CTE for quite some time now -- probably close to ten years. Just because he just recently took the Pro One course doesn't mean he wasn't already familiar with other versions of CTE. At least not if you base that on his past posts on the subject.
As an independent observer of the match last night I think it's clear that John needs to work much more on his stroke than on anything else.
That's just how I see it.
In fairness to John -- I will say I expected more out of Lou. Lou says he only plays one pocket now a days and practices some 14.1 (I think). It was very obvious to me that he DOES NOT play any rotation games. Avoiding the rotation games has probably really hurt him in the stroke department. He just doesn't have much of one and you could tell he's just not that comfortable firing in any shots that are even moderately difficult.
Easy to sit back and criticize a guy who puts it on the line. I have a lot of respect for JB and Lou for doing this - I for one do not envy their positions - 10K is heavy action.
Pool is a tough game - JB is a proponent of CTE systems because he knows that they work. I know they work too and I use them - I still miss and lose matches but I don't blame Pro One when that happens.
People who bash systems without giving them a go are either lazy or just trolling - nothing else. If it were nonsense like Lou has referred to it then maybe the bashing is warranted - but it is real and it works and the bashers don't have a leg to stand on.
Gerry
Pool is a tough game - JB is a proponent of CTE systems because he knows that they work. I know they work too and I use them - I still miss and lose matches but I don't blame Pro One when that happens.
People who bash systems without giving them a go are either lazy or just trolling - nothing else. If it were nonsense like Lou has referred to it then maybe the bashing is warranted - but it is real and it works and the bashers don't have a leg to stand on.
Gerry