A Report from the Lou v. Barton Match

kollegedave said:
No

However, I have been in pool halls since I was 14 (I am 34 now) and coaching has always been something that was viewed as an advantage, and absent an agreement to allow it, my experience is that such conduct is viewed as cheating, and in some places, unconsented to coaching would be viewed as good cause to back out of the game or perform any number of unpleasant actions on the perpatrator.

kollegedave
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I have been in pool rooms since I was 11, and I am a LOT older than that now.

Anywhere that I have been, at any time, for pretty much any amount of money, a player who was being coached would have been called out AT LEAST by his opponent. In most circumstances, he might get called out once, and LAID OUT the second time.

I guess "unconsented" would be the key word. Either they had an agreement, or Lou didn't care. I have never known pool players to be shy about expressing their consent or lack of consent about pretty danged much anything.

Lou won, BTW, in a very close, evenly matched race.
Joe
 
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Bamacues said:
I have been in pool rooms since I was 11, and I am a LOT older than that now.

Anywhere that I have been, at any time, for pretty much any amount of money, a player who was being coached would have been called out AT LEAST by his opponent. In most circumstances, he might get called out once, and LAID OUT the second time.

I guess "unconsented" would be the key word. Either they had an agreement, or Lou didn't care. I have never known pool players to be shy about expressing their consent or lack of consent about pretty danged much anything.
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ok so who won the match?
 
Cory in DC said:
I believe you, Koop, KK9, etc. are confident in what you saw.

But yes, it genuinely seems a bit outlandish to me--it's tough to see how useful information about a complex situation could be conveyed in 1-2 seconds (presumably, without the alleged coach studying the table or even pointing at balls or the table); Lou didn't say anything in real time; and John played fast. On the other hand, a "corner man" can give encouraging words or platitudes in no time (don't jump up on your shots, don't force shots, don't blow your lead, keep the pressure on him, etc.)

None of that makes it impossible. And I wasn't there and the posters on this thread were. At least the outcome wasn't affected by any coaching, whether real, suspected, or imagined.

I had fun watching it. I should have gone in person.

Cory
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Hey Cory,

I'm not from the area and had no clue who the guy was. Just seemed weird, if you were there, to see someone other than John's wife allowed to go and sit where he did. Some guy we were sitting with was the one who told me who it was, how good he plays, and to watch him cupping his hand over his mouth and telling John what to do.
In all fairness, none of could hear what was being said but it was very suspicious to say the least.

In the end I guess it didn't really matter. The better player won, IMO, and I got to hang out with a few friends I don't get to see all that often. It was a win for Koop and that's all that matters to me :grin:
 
Neil said:
Kinda surprised that I seem to be the only one that listened to the rules at the beginning. It was stated that JB had a "cornerman", and the announcer wasn't sure if Lou had one or not, but did have two backers to act as "cornerman" for him. So, since they were both allowed the use of a cornerman, why the accusations of cheating by using one???
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Neil, I totally missed that so if true, then I guess none of this really matters.
 
I was sitting next to Lou's 2 cornermen for a large portion iof the match....... In silence.....Like them.
 
John, I have been waiting for you to make a comment about this aspect of our match. Do you have anything to say about what was going on with Dennis Spears?

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
John, I have been waiting for you to make a comment about this aspect of our match. Do you have anything to say about what was going on with Dennis Spears?

Lou Figueroa
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I read a post that stated JB admitted to having a cornerman, don't know if it was substantiated or not by John. I also would love to hear ....
 
Dennis sat down and told me to get the money, said don't give up nothing, look at everything, slow the f down, etc... After he got there Lou won two more games. One of which I forgot my pocket and shot towards his pocket.

Dennis was my corner man helping keeping me focused as much it was possible to do so.

The shot where I rolled up on the spotted balls Lou did not come from Dennis. It came from a guy in your pool room The Break who played it in reverse against me. He taught me the shot.

If Dennis had coached me you would have lost badly.

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JB Cases said:
Dennis sat down and told me to get the money, said don't give up nothing, look at everything, slow the f down, etc... After he got there Lou won two more games. One of which I forgot my pocket and shot towards his pocket.

Dennis was my corner man helping keeping me focused as much it was possible to do so.

The shot where I rolled up on the spotted balls Lou did not come from Dennis. It came from a guy in your pool room The Break who played it in reverse against me. He taught me the shot.

If Dennis had coached me you would have lost badly.

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So, you chose to have a noted 1p player as the person to give you non-1p related encouragement, and to keep you centred? Wasn't your wife in the room? I'm just wondering why you'd choose a known 1p player to give you words of encouragement, and not use him for his knowledge. This is the story you expect us to believe? Oh yeah....it fits in with the other truckloads of bullshit you've spread.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
So, you chose to have a noted 1p player as the person to give you non-1p related encouragement, and to keep you centred? Wasn't your wife in the room? I'm just wondering why you'd choose a known 1p player to give you words of encouragement, and not use him for his knowledge. This is the story you expect us to believe? Oh yeah....it fits in with the other truckloads of bullshit you've spread.
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Does not matter.





derekdisco said:
John, how do you have soooooo many people obsessed with you?
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I work at it.
 
kollegedave said:
Those of you who have been sweating this match may have noticed John’s rough start. You also may have noticed that several games into the match the quality of John’s decisions improved and he began shooting more sophisticated shots. For example, John took an intentional behind two balls on the spot at one point that put Lou in a tough spot.

There was an African American man sitting next to Barton and his wife. Lou could not see this man at first. From Lou’s perspective, this guy was behind a pillar. Between shots, this man would cover his mouth and whisper to Barton.

A couple of guys who were sweating the match that had a different perspective than Lou noticed this, but they did not say anything.

After play last night, Barton was confronted with the accusation that he was being coached; he admitted it.

There are some things people should notice about the actions of John Barton in this match:

1) He barked at Lou incessantly to raise the bet, and then failed to do so

2) Barton claimed that he would take all sorts of bets on side, including an additional $500 a game with Lou, and he failed to do that

3) John and Lou negotiated all sorts of rules and stipulations prior to this match, which Barton very publicly made reference to at least once last night after he moved a bunch of balls with a follow-through on a shot; NO WHERE in their negotiations was there a provision that allowed either player to receive coaching.

In my view, and in the view of people in Lou’s camp, Barton cheated for a good portion of last night’s action.

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I admitted no such thing.

As I said earlier IF I had been coached by Dennis then Lou would have lost badly.

As for your points.

1. Lou should have called the raise when I proposed it.

2. I decided not to take more action for personal reasons. I was under zero obligation to do so.

3. I was not coached. And if I were then it is none of your business. Neither Lou nor his backer said anything to me about it on Tuesday.

The shot Lou was most impressed with was one taught to me by Chad Brimm who plays in Lou's home room, the Break when we played at Shooter's in Kansas City. The next day I asked Dennis if he would have played it that way and he said no.

I had to come with some major shots to stay in the match. The rough start came from the altercation with Eric Hu and the adrenaline spiking through me. Had I been calm from the start the match would possibly have looked very different.

Your guy won. Be happy with that. Next time might be a different outcome.
 
JB Cases said:
I admitted no such thing.

As I said earlier IF I had been coached by Dennis then Lou would have lost badly.

As for your points.

1. Lou should have called the raise when I proposed it.

2. I decided not to take more action for personal reasons. I was under zero obligation to do so.

3. I was not coached. And if I were then it is none of your business. Neither Lou nor his backer said anything to me about it on Tuesday.

The shot Lou was most impressed with was one taught to me by Chad Brimm who plays in Lou's home room, the Break when we played at Shooter's in Kansas City. The next day I asked Dennis if he would have played it that way and he said no.

I had to come with some major shots to stay in the match. The rough start came from the altercation with Eric Hu and the adrenaline spiking through me. Had I been calm from the start the match would possibly have looked very different.

Your guy won. Be happy with that. Next time might be a different outcome.
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I know for a fact that you were being coached.

Lou Figueroa
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JB Cases said:
The shot where I rolled up on the spotted balls Lou did not come from Dennis. It came from a guy in your pool room The Break who played it in reverse against me. He taught me the shot.
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If you didn't know that shot before your trip to STL then you really had no business agreeing to this match in the first place.
 
JB Cases said:
Dennis sat down and told me to get the money, said don't give up nothing, look at everything, slow the f down, etc... After he got there Lou won two more games. One of which I forgot my pocket and shot towards his pocket.

Dennis was my corner man helping keeping me focused as much it was possible to do so.

The shot where I rolled up on the spotted balls Lou did not come from Dennis. It came from a guy in your pool room The Break who played it in reverse against me. He taught me the shot.

If Dennis had coached me you would have lost badly.

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A while back i played one eyed man called Patch Eye $20.00 a game for three hours, thinking i have advantage since the guy have only one eye; needless to say he dismantled me. He paid the time, only to tell me "you miss too much kid" . see some write up about him. The MF$#$#$ did not miss a ball, i'd leave him at the far end he cuts balls better than any two eyed person i have ever seen, what adds insult to injury after i am done, they told me his game is bad now, and used to be on top!! what!!


http://www.onepocket.org/PatchEyeInterview.htm
 
lfigueroa said:
I know for a fact that you were being coached.

Lou Figueroa
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Nice...I can't wait to hear about it. Hopefully people are really starting to see what he is all about with these constant lies, flapping his gums on here, as well as the bad action in general. The list goes on, but its beating a dead horse so no need to continually point out the repeated things that he does. I look forward to your full report on this trip!
 
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