Did The JB vs Lou Match Settle The Great Aiming Debate Once & For All?

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nobcitypool said:
Congratulations, the intelligence of your posting has allowed you to join such Hall of Famers as English and Thaiger on my ignore list. No small feat, there are numerous uncomplimentary adjectives you have to achieve in order to be on that list. You managed to do it faster than anyone else, congratulations!
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All because I don't agree with him on an aiming system. He obviously doesn't know my posting history. Once again he managed to show his ignorance.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Pocketing balls is not proof, you are just subconsciously aiming the way we all do, with your own experience and judgment.
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The old "secret subconscious adjustment" argument eh?

You may as well be saying Pro One users arel using telekinesis to move the ball with our minds.

Love to see some evidence for this "secret subconscious adjustment" but as usual all we'll hear is excuses.

In Pro One you sweep to center cue ball after acquiring you visuals. If there is an adjustment, subconscious or otherwise, then you should see a second movement of the cue.

You need to demonstrate that this adjustment exists.
 
mista335 said:
The old "secret subconscious adjustment" argument eh?

You may as well be saying Pro One users arel using telekinesis to move the ball with our minds.

Love to see some evidence for this "secret subconscious adjustment" but as usual all we'll hear is excuses.

In Pro One you sweep to center cue ball after acquiring you visuals. If there is an adjustment, subconscious or otherwise, then you should see a second movement of the cue.

You need to demonstrate that this adjustment exists.
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Not to mention the sweeps can be done without seeing the object ball.

How one could make any adjustment without using the object ball is beyond me.
 
Yeah - there is no adjustment. For someone to tell others what they are doing is complete arrogance. I guarantee it works as described because I use it on each and every shot.

I also know it has made me a much more consistent player. Set a personal best vs the ghost today (15) so if you wish to discredit CTE you have a long road ahead.

Stan actually helped me tweak something with my grip that has made a huge difference for me - Pro One is even more powerful now.

Hit em good.

Gerry

mista335 said:
The old "secret subconscious adjustment" argument eh?

You may as well be saying Pro One users arel using telekinesis to move the ball with our minds.

Love to see some evidence for this "secret subconscious adjustment" but as usual all we'll hear is excuses.

In Pro One you sweep to center cue ball after acquiring you visuals. If there is an adjustment, subconscious or otherwise, then you should see a second movement of the cue.

You need to demonstrate that this adjustment exists.
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Poolplaya9 said:
Your welcome.

You know who CAN'T make shots with a CTE based system? A beginner. You know why? Because they don't yet know how to aim or have the knowledge and experience to know where to hit balls to pocket them, and without using your OWN aiming experience and judgment the systems just don't work.

And I know in your attempt to grasp at straws and find some plausible explanation for this so you don't have to accept the truth you will just say it's because their stroke isn't straight or something like this. So take a beginner and teach them how to stroke properly. They can only do the drill where you put the cue ball on the spot, shoot it to the middle diamond on the end rail and have it rebound back into the tip. This way they don't get any aiming experience for cut shots etc.

Once you are sure their stroke is straight, teach them the CTE based aiming system of your choice. Then watch them pound object balls into rails over and over and over and over and over for forever until they gain their own aiming experience and knowledge which is the fundamental requirement of any CTE based system, because that is what you are really using--your own aiming experience and knowledge to overcome and correct the inaccuracy of the system that doesn't work on it's own. I know you don't believe me, so try it and see for yourself.
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I have done that. And, surprise, surprise, she made the ball! Only problem with her, is that she (my daughter) doesn't like pool, so she won't play it. Which means that while the only stroke she ever learned is a good stroke, it's not at all consistent yet, and she would need someone there every shot to tell her the visuals to use. But, I did do that test with her , and she pocketed the most balls in a row for her ever, which is three. (she doesn't really play at all, maybe a few games a year)
 
it doesn't matter

Kickin' Chicken said:
I think not.

There will always be the possibility of finding players who do use a 'system' that can beat Lou and, conversely, there are lots of players using no official 'system' that can win against John.

The same can be said of Geno and Bartram who finally matched up not too long ago. With a little humor it became "one man, a van, and an aiming system vs "one man, no aiming system". :grin: btw, Chris, the 'no system' guy in that match, hit practically every shot with *w-a-y* outside. What's up with that? ;)

IMHO, pretty much all of us use some sort of an aiming system, whether we're 'throwing' balls in with a little sidespin or even something as simple as eyeballing and maybe laying our sticks down on the table to aid in measuring the ghost ball angle we need, these are systems we employ to help pot balls.

I'm not sure if the more sophisticated aiming systems like CTE, TOI, or whatever, are any better than H.A.M.B. (hitting a million balls), I think that's a decision we can all make for ourselves. If you want to explore one of these and you think it might save you some time or make your game better, then I say more power to you. :thumbup:

And if you find success with it, even more power to you.

The one thing about this topic that I am certain of, is this:

It's not one size fits all, never was and never will be.

Therefore, I don't believe we should defend and debate it like it's a religion. What you like and believe may not be the same as me.

Pool is our passion and it's supposed to be fun, right?

Then live and let live.

And enjoy the journey.

best,
brian kc
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It doesn't matter whether you use one system, many systems or no system at all. You subconscious mind is constantly taking information in and learning. You eventually will come to the point of unconscious competence and be on auto pilot. The power of compounding a suggestion or idea makes the thought or idea stronger with each occurrence.

It has been asked many times, what do you see with? The answer your brain, not your eyes. The eyes are only an input to your brains. Same goes for aiming, you aim with your brain. In other words we all aim the same.
 
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mista335 said:
Looks like it's curtains for the disbelievers (again).
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Most people who knock the "blind shot" drill with CTE and want to bet against seasoned CTE players want to do so by betting against the ghost, per se.

I think the best way to bet would be to have player A shoot blindly and then player B and measure each shot's deviation from center pocket.

Like Gerry, I feel very comfy shooting blind shots. If someone wants to bet against me fine, but they need to be involved too. Otherwise, it's the old move: "Bet ya can't shoot par" to a scratch player... watching someone shoot against the ghost under pressure. It's too easy to win and not lift a finger. Now, saying you can do it better is an entirely different claim.

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You nailed it Dave.



SpiderWebComm said:
Most people who knock the "blind shot" drill with CTE and want to bet against seasoned CTE players want to do so by betting against the ghost, per se.

I think the best way to bet would be to have player A shoot blindly and then player B and measure each shot's deviation from center pocket.

Like Gerry, I feel very comfy shooting blind shots. If someone wants to bet against me fine, but they need to be involved too. Otherwise, it's the old move: "Bet ya can't shoot par" to a scratch player... watching someone shoot against the ghost under pressure. It's too easy to win and not lift a finger. Now, saying you can do it better is an entirely different claim.

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TheThaiger said:
I can't for the life of me see what's difficult about that. You lot are easily please.
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Must say, 'ol chap. Fine, fine job of discrediting anything you have ever said about pool in just one mere sentence! Fine job indeed!
 
Tony the Tiger needs to be quoted for me to see his comments.

If it is truly so easy then grace us with a video of you doing something similar.

Gerry <-- Not holding his breath.

Neil said:
Must say, 'ol chap. Fine, fine job of discrediting anything you have ever said about pool in just one mere sentence! Fine job indeed!
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mohrt said:
Please post your video if its so easy to do. I did one many months ago with a makeshift panel and put a couple of banks in there too. You don't have to bank, just shoot some shots, all inside 30 degrees is just fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJyiZuQsDCU
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Anon Trolls don't do videos. They don't in fact do anything except seek attention. If they weren't repulsive losers in real life, and could actually play, they wouldn't be anon trolls.
 
A question

Here is a question. Both Shuff and Stevie are great players, which I met two years ago in New Town, and I spent a lot of time watching both shoot. This was before Brandon learned Pro One, and Stevie was promoting it there.

Since they both have converted to Pro One are they winning more now than they did before they changed? These are players who already understand the game, so I would assume if something helps them pocket balls better than their previous system, and their position play stayed the same, they would win more.
 
robsnotes4u said:
Here is a question. Both Shuff and Stevie are great players, which I met two years ago in New Town, and I spent a lot of time watching both shoot. This was before Brandon learned Pro One, and Stevie was promoting it there.

Since they both have converted to Pro One are they winning more now than they did before they changed? These are players who already understand the game, so I would assume if something helps them pocket balls better than their previous system, and their position play stayed the same, they would win more.
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I think you are confusing Landon Shuffett with Brandon Shuff. I don't think Brandon has been converted to Pro One.
 
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