bullshit...
B.s. the only snooker player that plays shanes speed at snooker is ronnie o'.
Jaden
B.s. the only snooker player that plays shanes speed at snooker is ronnie o'.
Jaden
Alex Pagulayan going to UK to try pro snooker
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I wish him all the luck in the world and hope he can make a splash in the pro scene over there.
Realistically, though, I can't help but think of all the snooker champions who lost the ability to compete at the highest levels as they approached their 40's. Age is definitely a factor in snooker, much more so than in pool.
Then again, the snooker players who don't know Alex will probably be thinking he's the next teen phenom to come out of Asia.
Realistically, though, I can't help but think of all the snooker champions who lost the ability to compete at the highest levels as they approached their 40's. Age is definitely a factor in snooker, much more so than in pool.
Then again, the snooker players who don't know Alex will probably be thinking he's the next teen phenom to come out of Asia.
If 2 or 3 packs are rare, you're no where near. I am assuming this is the point you are making...?
KMRUNOUT
I love all these keyboard cowboys predicting the future of a thoroughbred champion like Alex Pagulayan.
While we're chattering on this thread, he's living his dream. This is what separates the lions from the lambs, and that's a pun intended.
Alex will succeed in anything he puts his mind to. Yes, and that includes snooker. :yes:
Go get 'em, Alex. Make these Negative Nellies eat crow!
While we're chattering on this thread, he's living his dream. This is what separates the lions from the lambs, and that's a pun intended.
Alex will succeed in anything he puts his mind to. Yes, and that includes snooker. :yes:
Go get 'em, Alex. Make these Negative Nellies eat crow!
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Just wanted to clarify a couple things.
Firstly the post earlier by Thaiger saying that the best Alex P could hope to achieve is the standard that Alex Higgins played.
I can tell you I used to drive up an practice with Alex H every day when I was based near Manchester and if Alex P gets anywhere near the level of play that the multiple world snooker champion Alex H attained, he will have climbed a mountain. And to say that Alex H in his prime couldn't crack the top 1000 today is about as far from the truth as you could ever get.
The standard in today's snooker is much higher and nobody ever questioned that - but you eluding to one of the sport's all time greats in the Hurricane and saying he could not compete........ he was one of the first players, along with another dear friend of mine who passed away a few years ago, John Spencer, who brought an aggressive attacking style of play into professional snooker. If I had to pick one player from that era who may have been able to compete today, its Higgins. A great example of my statement is Jimmy White. He is still competitive and just the other day reached the last 16 in the China Open. Higgins was his idol and model for most of his early days. If I'm not mistaken Jimmy was even a paul - bearer at Alex's funeral, they were very close. Jimmy styled his game after Alex Higgins.
If you need further evidence to support my feeling on the Hurricane, get his autobiography, not sure of the title, but its called something like "the Hurricane". In it you will find Steve Davis' quote on Alex and what he thought about the man and his game. I was sat right next to Steve when he gave this quote for Alex's book, he couldn't have praised any snooker player's ability higher.
I hope I've put that to bed.
Now with regard to Alex and his snooker endeavors, he is very realistic about his chances. He knows his game has to reach new heights but he knows the only chance he has to attain this level is to get over to the UK and watch and play against the best. If you can't admire that philosophy then I really don't know what else to say.
And believe this if you believe nothing else, he is not the same Alex P you have all seen playing pool. When he plays snooker he locks in and his fundamentals are superb. He cues the ball differently and stays still through the stroke, a vital aspect of being successful in snooker.
Finally a couple of you have mentioned top Canadian players over the years and Alex will have the benefit of all of their experience and insight before he heads overseas. Cliff and Kirk are very much behind Alex and his goals in snooker and in pool for that matter. Cliff is the best we have ever had and his knowledge and chats with Alex are invaluable. For those of you who don't know these two, Cliff was world number 1 in the 80's and Kirk was world number 4.
I've always said that coming from snooker into pool is by far an easier transition than coming from pool into snooker. And I have seen nothing to change that mind set. But Alex has a great attitude towards all of this and he is set up as well as any overseas player trying to make the grade can be. He has friends in London he can stay with, I am helping to set up top level practice for him at various clubs where pros play and he will be able to get around with his pals with transportation. So he is giving himself every chance to grow. And right now that is all he is looking to accomplish. Qualifying would be a huge bonus but I promise you, he will definitely be a better snooker player and quite possibly, a better pool player, when he returns from Q School.
I see most of the posts here, regardless of their opinions as being supportive and realistic. And everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I hope I am not being too forthright with mine.
Hey how would we all feel if cue sports had a dozen just like Alex Pagulayan.......
Oh one more thing I totally forgot in my earlier post a couple days ago - good luck to Chris Melling as well. Chris has a professional snooker background as you can plainly see when he plays pool. He is entered into Q School and let me tell you that guy can play snooker. Two stars from the pool world trying it on for size, can't be bad.
Lets get behind these two!!
Jim
Just wanted to clarify a couple things.
Firstly the post earlier by Thaiger saying that the best Alex P could hope to achieve is the standard that Alex Higgins played.
I can tell you I used to drive up an practice with Alex H every day when I was based near Manchester and if Alex P gets anywhere near the level of play that the multiple world snooker champion Alex H attained, he will have climbed a mountain. And to say that Alex H in his prime couldn't crack the top 1000 today is about as far from the truth as you could ever get.
The standard in today's snooker is much higher and nobody ever questioned that - but you eluding to one of the sport's all time greats in the Hurricane and saying he could not compete........ he was one of the first players, along with another dear friend of mine who passed away a few years ago, John Spencer, who brought an aggressive attacking style of play into professional snooker. If I had to pick one player from that era who may have been able to compete today, its Higgins. A great example of my statement is Jimmy White. He is still competitive and just the other day reached the last 16 in the China Open. Higgins was his idol and model for most of his early days. If I'm not mistaken Jimmy was even a paul - bearer at Alex's funeral, they were very close. Jimmy styled his game after Alex Higgins.
If you need further evidence to support my feeling on the Hurricane, get his autobiography, not sure of the title, but its called something like "the Hurricane". In it you will find Steve Davis' quote on Alex and what he thought about the man and his game. I was sat right next to Steve when he gave this quote for Alex's book, he couldn't have praised any snooker player's ability higher.
I hope I've put that to bed.
Now with regard to Alex and his snooker endeavors, he is very realistic about his chances. He knows his game has to reach new heights but he knows the only chance he has to attain this level is to get over to the UK and watch and play against the best. If you can't admire that philosophy then I really don't know what else to say.
And believe this if you believe nothing else, he is not the same Alex P you have all seen playing pool. When he plays snooker he locks in and his fundamentals are superb. He cues the ball differently and stays still through the stroke, a vital aspect of being successful in snooker.
Finally a couple of you have mentioned top Canadian players over the years and Alex will have the benefit of all of their experience and insight before he heads overseas. Cliff and Kirk are very much behind Alex and his goals in snooker and in pool for that matter. Cliff is the best we have ever had and his knowledge and chats with Alex are invaluable. For those of you who don't know these two, Cliff was world number 1 in the 80's and Kirk was world number 4.
I've always said that coming from snooker into pool is by far an easier transition than coming from pool into snooker. And I have seen nothing to change that mind set. But Alex has a great attitude towards all of this and he is set up as well as any overseas player trying to make the grade can be. He has friends in London he can stay with, I am helping to set up top level practice for him at various clubs where pros play and he will be able to get around with his pals with transportation. So he is giving himself every chance to grow. And right now that is all he is looking to accomplish. Qualifying would be a huge bonus but I promise you, he will definitely be a better snooker player and quite possibly, a better pool player, when he returns from Q School.
I see most of the posts here, regardless of their opinions as being supportive and realistic. And everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I hope I am not being too forthright with mine.
Hey how would we all feel if cue sports had a dozen just like Alex Pagulayan.......
Oh one more thing I totally forgot in my earlier post a couple days ago - good luck to Chris Melling as well. Chris has a professional snooker background as you can plainly see when he plays pool. He is entered into Q School and let me tell you that guy can play snooker. Two stars from the pool world trying it on for size, can't be bad.
Lets get behind these two!!
Jim
Two EXCELLENT posts.
Go Alex. The fact that you dare to go where others fear to think is itself a success.
I think everybody here should agree with that.
The one thing I really take from this is how sad it is that somebody like Alex - who is arguably the best all around pool player in the world when he's taking the game seriously - sees snooker as the more attractive option, and worth a risk/effort like this as a way to make a living with a cue in his hand.
I made a similar point a few days ago..
Corey is registered now too!!!!
Wow!!!
Corey Deuel has registered for Q School, that is fantastic. Now Alex and his old road partner can chill and keep each other in the moment. This will be very good for Corey he has a super attitude and loves being challenged by what snooker offers to his game.
This really sends a message to the pool world doesn't it.
As the previous poster says, the pool world has to take notice or the top players will look to migrate towards the offer of bigger payouts regardless of the degree of difficulty.
Tough road to hoe Corey but more power to you for getting in!!!
Who's next?????
Wow!!!
Corey Deuel has registered for Q School, that is fantastic. Now Alex and his old road partner can chill and keep each other in the moment. This will be very good for Corey he has a super attitude and loves being challenged by what snooker offers to his game.
This really sends a message to the pool world doesn't it.
As the previous poster says, the pool world has to take notice or the top players will look to migrate towards the offer of bigger payouts regardless of the degree of difficulty.
Tough road to hoe Corey but more power to you for getting in!!!
Who's next?????
Let's be realistic. Like it or not, snooker at the professional level is definitely THE pinnacle of all cue sports, very few would disagree. That's not to say other cue games are no good, far from it in fact.
If 9ball had decent organization, big money, big following, big crowds...etc...than maybe that game would be the pinnacle of all cue games and not something else...who knows?
To me, this is somewhat analogous to a racing driver of a motorsport discipline (take your pick) trying to crack into Formula 1. If you think you got the skill, why not give it a go???
Good luck to Alex, Corey and Chris. I think it is great that they are all giving it a shot. We sponsor both Alex and Corey as they both use our products in the pool world and they both have our full support (actually, Corey uses a prototype OB Snooker shaft when he plays Snooker which we made for him right before he played in and won the US Snooker Championships last year)
No matter what anyone thinks about any of there chances, you have to respect them for even trying and it will be nothing short of amazing if any of them make it to the semi finals of Q school which will earn them the coveted 2 year tour card.
It will be great to watch this unfold!
No matter what anyone thinks about any of there chances, you have to respect them for even trying and it will be nothing short of amazing if any of them make it to the semi finals of Q school which will earn them the coveted 2 year tour card.
It will be great to watch this unfold!
i love this philosophy. to be the best, you go where the best ones are, and play them on their turf.
It is what it is. Sad in some ways and not so in others. There are dozens of sports and occupations which pay very little.
Nine ball isn't easier than snooker (here we go) it's simply different. Snooker is only lucrative because it has had the perfect partner, the BBC, to put it in front of the British crowds for 50 solid years.
So yes, snooker is still where the money is even in it's diminished state. Yes it's kind of sad that pool in the biggest consumption land in the world is not anywhere near as lucrative or respected.
But the fact of is that Alex Pagulayan had a choice when he was younger having been exposed to both snooker and pool to be a pool player or a snooker player and he chose to be primarily a pool player. He still plays decent snooker and is simply choosing at this point in his life to have a go at snooker. That might be financially motivated but it's highly doubtful because Alex understands perfectly well what the standard is and he knows perfectly well that the lower echelon of snooker players don't live better than the upper echelon of pool players, as the money lists would indicate.
I thought it was funny that Jerry asked him what his highest run over 20 was and Alex responds that he has run 147.
Anyway, whatever the motivation, of which the prize money is surely one of them, wishing Alex and Corey the best. At least they are going to go for it and if they give it their all then we can have one more chapter in the great snooker vs. pool debate.
Nothing like more fodder for us to get our daily fix on AZB.
that's crazy
You're friggin insane if you believe that. Shane is the favorite in EVERY tournament he plays in right now. Ronnie is at best at the same level in Snooker...
Jaden
You're friggin insane if you believe that. Shane is the favorite in EVERY tournament he plays in right now. Ronnie is at best at the same level in Snooker...
Jaden
Don't go there Jaden. Watch this..... the next post will be.......Shane is not the favorite in any tournament played outside the USA - I understood your point though.
The difference is that when Ronnie is on, he DESTROYS his opponents.
Kudos to all three for giving this a shot, I wish more players crossed disciplines,
as I've mentioned, if anything it's a vaca to the UK, always a fun trip imo
Chris and Corey, I suspect...from a match standpoint, will not win once though:sorry:
as I've mentioned, if anything it's a vaca to the UK, always a fun trip imo
Chris and Corey, I suspect...from a match standpoint, will not win once though:sorry: