Serious? I thought the bet was purely $10k?
The Ballad of John and Lou, Part Three
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Serious? I thought the bet was purely $10k?
So do you agree or disagree?
Since you were allowed back, shouldn't mlalum be offered the same level of opportunity?...or are you special in this?
*always* the victim.
So kinda like you approaching Eric..you never troll anyone, huh?
You provoke on a level that is Fast Larry like and always...always play the victim.
The original bet did not include such a provision. Neither Lou nor myself offered any such stipulation.
As for spouses crying.
Lou has written things about me that have made my spouse upset many times. He has written things about Stan Shuffett that have made Stans wife and children very upset. He has written things about Half Houle that made Hal's wife upset.
Lou said to me that he looked back at what he said on RSB and was ashamed of how nasty he was back then and hoped I can see he has changed. And he has but still has written much that is harsh and upsetting to his targets and their spouses.
I have said many times on here that everyone has "good" sides and that we are all loved by someone.
There are many on here that I detest, some whom I personally believe are huge wastes of oxygen who are good friends with people I respect. To my friends those people are good people.
So while it is sad that Gail cried listening to me say things about the man she married it is equally sad that the man she married has used his writing ability to deliberately hurt others.
I don't need to give you examples. If you or any one cared to look over Lou's posting history then it would be easy to find and easy to find Connie Shuffetts reaction to Lou's brand of criticism.
So I think we can call the spousal reactions a wash at this point. Anything I have ever said to Lou has been a reaction to his first strike. Always.
Let me make that clear.
Anything I have EVER said to Lou or about Lou has been in RESPONSE to his instigation.
That goes all the way back to 2000 when all this started.
Now, responding and choosing to engage is my problem. I certainly own that and am not proud of all the time I have spent counterattacking. I have said a lot of things that were harsh in response. Poke people enough and they will probably not react well.
Anyway......I will compose the story from my perspective and then the forum will have both and they can then choosd their own part in it.
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I have no problem with Mike being allowed back. As I understand it his ban is self imposed because he refuses to obey the rules. You would have to ask Mike Howerton about the specifics.
You are 100% wrong though. I challenge you to find even five instances where I have provoked anyone first.
Just five. I think that there is probably not even one example of me attacking any other person without being provoked first.
Comparing me to Fast Larry is ludicrous Dave.
Let's take Eric Hu as an example. Did he come at me first or me him?
Do you know? I do.
Yes I could choose to let it slide when people attack me, my business, my staff, where I live, and many other aspects of my life. But to say I am the instigator is ridiculous and wrong.
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Thanks, beetle. I'm sure there are several possibilities for other match ups here
Lou Figueroa
ah, one of the great sports photos of all times. I remember listening to that fight with my Dad on the radio. Thanks, Nick.
Lou Figueroa
This about sums it up Lou... in reading this last part you brought tears to my eyes... which after 4 combat tours isn't an easy thing to do. Thank you for the story, for the words that encourage not only myself but others as well. It's amazing what the power of love and self confidence can accomplish.Never give up on a dream or a goal, and if you truly believe in your heart that you can make it happen, you will.
I think Henry Ford said it well.... " if you think you can or you can't, you're right."
Anyway, Thank you and congratulations.
Thanks, All4Moose. Gail is my rock.
Lou Figueroa
lol. Pinkie, I don't recall the thing about not posting, but good grief, I woke up the next morning with all the lights on in my room after drinking out late with you guys, so who knows what was said or imagined
Lou Figueroa
There is so much that is inaccurate in this post it's amazing.
I did not say I was ashamed of what I had written in the past. What I said was that I would not say today what I might have said in the past, believing that as I got older, I got wiser.
I do not write to deliberately hurt anyone.
The thing with Mrs. Shuffet was over the sales numbers she posted for Stans’s first DVD. She didn't like that I did the math to show that Stan turned a tidy profit.
And, John, you would have to be delusional to believe you only "respond" — that is a joke. Just to highlight how much self awareness you lack I want you to re-reread what you just wrote: “Poke people enough and they will probably not react well.”
Now go and think about goading Eric an hour before our match and tell everyone it was his fault.
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As for approaching Eric you're surely joking?
Let's keep it 100% honest Dave.
Eric came to my booth while I was working to harass me. He filmed it and both he and Lou have used that video to harass me for four years.
Eric again came to my booth in 2013 of his own volition and again asked me to play.
I stood up for Eric and wrote a letter of support to Allen Hopkins asking that he be allowed back into the Super Billiards Expo the year after he assaulted senior citizen Larry Gundiger. Why did Eric assault him?
Because Larry AND Eric had conducted a long running battle on RSB. Eric said just as many hurtful things to and about Larry as Larry said to him. That you only see one side is really sad.
And that you are injecting yourself in such a biased way is even sadder. I can't think of a worse abuse of position than you have done regarding me. Left to my own self defense I have been mean and cutting but I am positive that I have never been the instigator.
So, Eric was the guy that started the altercation between the two of you? I don't care who "came at who" first. Who opened their mouth to start the whole thing going?
You're all talk, John. Eric knew how to shut you up. He knew you wouldn't take a swing. Sometimes, the way to shut up the loudmouth is to put your nose against his, and tell him the next few words may be his last with a full set of teeth. The way to shut up a bully is to stand up to him.
It would only have been a fight if you actually had any intentions of dropping the gloves. Which I doubt you've ever done in your life. You're all talk.
You do realize that this guy that you characterize as "all talk" just put up 10K of his own money in a pool match right?
What type of glue do you use in the factory? Does it cause hallucinations?
"100% honest" out of your mouth means nothing to most of us. You've shown your lack of integrity over the past few years and months.
As far as never being an instigator, see the glue comment.
Lou,
You see this is how things get twisted.
Not once did I say that I was not at fault for engaging Eric. I have said it was stupid of me to even akknowledge his presence.
But you 100% discount the history between Eric and myself prior to the match. How you can think his presence would not affect me is astounding if you think that.
As for Connie's public reaction you dont know what her private reation to your comments has been. All of us have had our spouses and mates drawn into the forum fights. You cannot honestly expect that you are the only one whose has had a spouse be upset at what was written or said.
The very fact that Connie Shuffett felt compelled to respond to you at all should be enough for you to see that your words affected more people than your target, Stan Shuffett.
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You see this is how things get twisted.
Not once did I say that I was not at fault for engaging Eric. I have said it was stupid of me to even akknowledge his presence.
But you 100% discount the history between Eric and myself prior to the match. How you can think his presence would not affect me is astounding if you think that.
As for Connie's public reaction you dont know what her private reation to your comments has been. All of us have had our spouses and mates drawn into the forum fights. You cannot honestly expect that you are the only one whose has had a spouse be upset at what was written or said.
The very fact that Connie Shuffett felt compelled to respond to you at all should be enough for you to see that your words affected more people than your target, Stan Shuffett.
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