So is there footage of the famous 1990's Challenge of Champions dumping scandal?

[CJ Wiley]

STILL I have never felt comfortable shooting them - too many factors

It's easy for "railbirds" to chirp about how easy combinations are, and they're mistaken simply from lack of experience.

Every champion player knows few combination are "dead," they're just sleeping. Corey Deuel told me I hit combinations better than anyone he's ever seen - STILL, I have never felt comfortable shooting them - too many touchy factors that can go wrong.

I'll give ANY champion $1000 if they can make that same combination.... if they miss they have to work for me an entire 3 months bussing tables at a restaurant.

This scenario may seem like a lot of pressure, and it is.....Buddy was under that type of pressure as well in this situation. He may make that combination for "fun," or in a situation he was accustomed to, however this was a far shout from his "comfort zone".

Ok. So you have never seen a combo like that missed EVER?

I went back and looked at it, it's slightly off angle.

I have to say Buddy is the WORST dumper I have ever seen. He allows the match to go hill hill and then runs out to a combo you think it's wired.

I guess I would think that Buddy wouldn't let the match get anywhere close to hill/hill if he wanted to dump the match.

Funny that we don't have the WHOLE match to look at and analyze. Seems like whoever has it very selectively posted what they wanted to youtube.

 

[CJ Wiley]

many more shots missed in those 20+ years than that particular finals

Since 1991 Matt Braun and ESPN have put in millions of dollars to promote pool through the 'Challenge of Champions' (and generated tens of millions in advertising).

I was involved in Pro Pool "up close and personal" in the early 90s and NO ONE made any accusations that we ever heard about Buddy and Mike...this simply did not exist.

Now, years and years later they are being "suspected" of foul play?

The fact is 'The Challenge of Champions' was and is the most successful pool series in the history of pool. Many champions have claimed the crown and participated in the tournament (including myself) and it was a really positive event for everyone involved.

Those are the facts, and I have a feeling there were much easier and many more shots missed in those 20+ years than that particular finals - anyone want to bet on this?

 

[terryhanna]

It's easy for "railbirds" to chirp about how easy combinations are, and they're mistaken simply from lack of experience.

Every champion player knows few combination are "dead," they're just sleeping. Corey Deuel told me I hit combinations better than anyone he's ever seen - STILL, I have never felt comfortable shooting them - too many touchy factors that can go wrong.

I'll give ANY champion $1000 if they can make that same combination.... if they miss they have to work for me an entire 3 months bussing tables at a restaurant.

This scenario may seem like a lot of pressure, and it is.....Buddy was under that type of pressure as well in this situation. He may make that combination for "fun," or in a situation he was accustomed to, however this was a far shout from his "comfort zone".

watch at about 23:45 C J makes almost the same combo in the US OPEN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRNeETSAaE

ps if you watch this match some the shots Earl misses make you wonder what the odds were on this match lol j/k

 

[CJ Wiley]

I'd seriously not want to shoot this shot for $50,000

watch at about 23:45 C J makes almost the same combo in the US OPEN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRNeETSAaE

They also commented that "this is not the easiest of combinations AND "champion players will make this "most" of the time".

You may also notice the sigh of relief after I made it......I'd seriously not want to shoot this shot for $50,000 - I'd much rather run all the balls on the table.

Pressure does funny things to our inner "well being," and if someone isn't a competitor and hasn't experienced these situations it's impossible to relate.......I can certainly relate.

 

[HelloBaby-]

It's easy for "railbirds" to chirp about how easy combinations are, and they're mistaken simply from lack of experience.

Every champion player knows few combination are "dead," they're just sleeping. Corey Deuel told me I hit combinations better than anyone he's ever seen - STILL, I have never felt comfortable shooting them - too many touchy factors that can go wrong.

I'll give ANY champion $1000 if they can make that same combination.... if they miss they have to work for me an entire 3 months bussing tables at a restaurant.

This scenario may seem like a lot of pressure, and it is.....Buddy was under that type of pressure as well in this situation. He may make that combination for "fun," or in a situation he was accustomed to, however this was a far shout from his "comfort zone".

I'm not a champion in anyway but I'll take that bet, are you on ? You are in Dallas, right ? I can go there.

 

[Straightpool_99]

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[Cardigan Kid]

watch at about 23:45 C J makes almost the same combo in the US OPEN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRNeETSAaE

ps if you watch this match some the shots Earl misses make you wonder what the odds were on this match lol j/k

Great link, and great shot.

That was actually a tougher combination than what buddy had. There was more distance between the five and nine, and CJ nailed it dead on.

Not accusing at all. I'm only observing that if a pro shoots a combination of that calibre, if it misses it's jawed or hits a point. Not flies into the cushion and straight back out.

 

[Straightpool_99]

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[CJ Wiley]

you have to be able to buss tables for three months

I'm not a champion in anyway but I'll take that bet, are you on ? You are in Dallas, right ? I can go there.

Ft. Worth.... you have to be a champion player, AND you have to be able to buss tables for three months.

I'll still give you the 6 and the last 3 and gamble with you sight unseen if you don't fit that criteria. Meet me at Rusty's Billiards this coming Tuesday or Wednesday.

'My Game will be your Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

Buddy committed the cardinal pool rule

Buddy committed the cardinal pool rule, he DE ACCELERATED.......without any TOI.

Great link, and great shot.

That was actually a tougher combination than what buddy had. There was more distance between the five and nine, and CJ nailed it dead on.

Not accusing at all. I'm only observing that if a pro shoots a combination of that calibre, if it misses it's jawed or hits a point. Not flies into the cushion and straight back out.

 

[HelloBaby-]

Ft. Worth.... you have to be a champion player, AND you have to be able to buss tables for three months.

I'll still give you the 6 and the last 3 and gamble with you sight unseen if you don't fit that criteria. Meet me at Rusty's Billiards this coming Tuesday or Wednesday.

'My Game will be your Teacher'

I knew it, I knew that you would say because I'm not a champion so I'm not qualified for the bet. LOL.
So cheap Mr. CJ Wiley, sooooo cheap. Mark Twain was right. Why am I even bother speaking with you.

 

[8pack]

Ft. Worth.... you have to be a champion player, AND you have to be able to buss tables for three months.

I'll still give you the 6 and the last 3 and gamble with you sight unseen if you don't fit that criteria. Meet me at Rusty's Billiards this coming Tuesday or Wednesday.

'My Game will be your Teacher'

What! Him being anything but a champion player is in your favor isn't it. .

 

[CJ Wiley]

I'll put up $200 against a $1

I knew it, I knew that you would say because I'm not a champion so I'm not qualified for the bet. LOL.
So cheap Mr. CJ Wiley, sooooo cheap. Mark Twain was right. Why am I even bother speaking with you.

And you won't take the "6 and the last 3"? I'll put up $200 against a $1 in a 10 ahead set just to give you the opportunity to report back what happens. :groucho:

The problem is someone other than a champion player may already by a busboy therefore no pressure....no pressure at all.....Shane on the other hand would feel the pressure Buddy felt....and maybe even more.

Sure Buddy could have played flawlessly under different circumstances, however, he was under more pressure than any living human up that day in history (Earl was under more shooting the million dollar shot in 96).

Combinations are not "give me's" and this will be verified by any championship level players......we've ALL missed one or two in our lives.

 

[Straightpool_99]

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[Straightpool_99]

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[PINKLADY]

where's that 1-9 combo shot that Earl did?
not the one from last Mosconi.
that other one - that infamous one....

 

[CJ Wiley]

That particular combination is on the back of this DVD case.

where's that 1-9 combo shot that Earl did?
not the one from last Mosconi.
that other one - that infamous one....

It's on the back of this DVD case.....I don't care how good someone thinks they are, shooting ANY combination under pressure is tough......I'd say the one Buddy shot he was a favorite to make, but he had to hit it on the right "shake" because there's reason to believe his nerves were on "high alert".

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

It's on the back of this DVD case.....I don't care how good someone thinks they are, shooting ANY combination under pressure is tough......I'd say the one Buddy shot he was a favorite to make, but he had to hit it on the right "shake" because there's reason to believe his nerves were on "high alert".

Not for nuthin, the pic of Earl's million $ combo is on the front of your DVD (sorry, I couldn't resist). BTW, which combo was tougher? Earl's or Buddy's?

KK9 <-- going to get his champion patch from Walmart and take up CJ on his
combo offer. BRB after I bus and wash Pinky's dishes.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Buddy's was almost straight in and they can sometimes (ironically) be the hardest

Not for nuthin, the pic of Earl's million $ combo is on the front of your DVD (sorry, I couldn't resist). BTW, which combo was tougher? Earl's or Buddy's?

KK9 <-- going to get his champion patch from Walmart and take up CJ on his
combo offer. BRB after I bus and wash Pinky's dishes.

Very good, it's on the front AND the back.....you may have won a prize, let me check with the front office.

I'm not sure which one was tougher.....I'd have to say Earl had slightly more pressure on him, but Buddy's was almost straight in and they can sometimes (ironically) be the most challenging.....any spin will throw the balls off drastically, that's why I recommend TON (the Touch of Nothing). 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[rossaroni]

.I'm not sure which one was tougher.....I'd have to say Earl had slightly more pressure on him, but Buddy's was almost straight in and they can sometimes (ironically) be the most challenging...

Just talking about the difficulty of the shot, I would think Earl's was tougher. Like you mentioned, no combo is a hanger, but I would much rather shot Buddy's combo over Earl's. I would guess most people will be a little more out spoken about which one was tougher.