Guns and Cues, Show us your Piece

This sport/hobby is INSANELY addicting. Unlike pool cues, these guns tend to hold their value pretty well.

I have to admit that I've spent a lot more time with my AR's recently than I have with my cues.

I have seen a clear correlation between the shooting sport (guns) and the other shooting sport (pool). Some examples:

1.) You must keep very still on your shot (no flinching or "jumping up").

2.) On the gun forums (example: AR 15.com), there are "elitists" that believe that if you do not spend "X" amount of money on your AR, then you don't really have a gun. Yes, there are snobs on the gun forums. :(

3.) Both sports require "repeatability" for success.

4.) Fundamentals are important (stance, breathing patterns, etc.), but can vary somewhat between each individual while still maintaining success.

5.) Some variables are overrated. For instance, M.O.A. is overrated if a person is going to be plinking at stationary targets 100 yards or less all the time. And, in pool, cue "feedback" and balance points are overrated if a player is just going to be a casual recreation shooter.

6.) Most guns AND cues can "shoot" better than the person using them can. :embarrassed2:

7.) Practice, practice, practice is key for good "shooting".

8.) You're going to have a "problem" with purchasing "stuff" if you're not careful!!! :thumbup:


I could go on and on, but I digress. Maybe others would like to add some other similarities.


I will say to ChrisOnline that if it were me....I would either build my own AR or at the very least, buy an entry-level AR and install yourself a Magpul stock, Ergo grip, Troy Alpha rail, CMC drop-in trigger, etc. You're gonna save yourself at least $1,000, and that buys a LOT of ammo!!! 1/2 M.O.A. is all well and good if you're capable of achieving it, but unless your goal is to enter competitions where accuracy is held at a premium, 1" to 2" groups are acceptable at 100 yards from an AR-platform rifle. One of my AR's I've got set-up for hog-hunting (a Rock River Arms Elite Operator II) shoots 1" groups at 100 yards with the $8.00-a-box cheapo American Eagle ammo. Yes, there are "production" guns out there that are plenty capable in the right hands. I hate to see people needlessly spend money for something that can be achieved at a lot less. But, like another poster alluded to, if you've got that kind of $$$ to drop, and you've got a bad enough hankering to....then by all means go ahead and pull the trigger (pun intended) on that AR from Rhino Arms. It more than likely won't disappoint you.

Maniac
 
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decided not to get the rhino just yet.. went with a custom build..

i picked out a spikes tactical lower, upper, triple chrome barrel, nickel boron bolt, all magpul furniture, eotech scope , cmmg trigger, i will post pictures when i can..

chris
 
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decided not to get the rhino just yet.. went with a custom build..

i picked out a spikes tactical lower, upper, triple chrome barrel, nickel boron bolt, all magpul furniture, eotech scope , cmmg trigger, i will post pictures when i can..

chris

You most definitely have started with the "right stuff". That gun should meet all your expectations/needs and last you a lifetime (with a few parts replacements here and there).

You done good......REAL good!!!

If you don't mind me asking....what was the cost comparison between what you bought and the Rhino Arms weapon???


Maniac
 
You most definitely have started with the "right stuff". That gun should meet all your expectations/needs and last you a lifetime (with a few parts replacements here and there).

You done good......REAL good!!!

If you don't mind me asking....what was the cost comparison between what you bought and the Rhino Arms weapon???


Maniac

i got a good deal (IMO) on everything, so after everything, with the eotech and the tax came out to around $1500..

the Rhino double v 5.56 , before tax was $2499 (may have been 150 or so cheaper if i pressed it) not including the eotech..

so all in all.. it would have been about 1500 more..

the eotech in my opinion was a great deal... couldnt pass on it.. $300 after a $60 rebate..

chris
 
reloading and accuracy

I don't have much left in the way of pool cues these days and can't remember if I have any firearms or not, comes of getting old and senile I reckon.

This is primarily for Spidey but others might find it interesting. To go really deeply into reloading or accuracy anyone is welcome to PM and we will continue off the forum.

I chased accuracy for awhile, world class benchrest accuracy. Anyone with a bad back or anyone wanting accurate ammo should look into inline dies instead of a standard press and screw in dies. I loaded thousands of rounds of .223 stretched out on my couch!

A plus is that inline dies and a small arbor style press let you reload anywhere, almost anytime. We always reloaded at the range shooting benchrest to match the conditions but I also reloaded in the field shooting long range varmints and in the hotel rooms nights sitting in the air conditioning when it was hot outside. The fact that you are loading better quality ammo than you can buy or create with almost all threaded dies are just nice pluses.

Gotta tell you that the .308 and all it's variations are fickle beasts. The occasional flier will always be there and compared to smaller projectiles they are basically inaccurate. I know that there have been many fine groups shot with .308's but I'm talking long term accuracy. I gave up on a tack driving .308 after talking to Marcy Lyons, a legend who had spent decades working with them. My best aggregate for 5 five shot groups with a factory barreled model 700 in .308 was a .403 and I shot a few quarter inch five shot groups so I could make the .308 shoot a little but even with the best bullets made it would sling the occasional shot.

I would swap to a 6mm barrel for accuracy with the AR-10. A 243 case is hugely oversize for the projectile but will still be superior to the .308.

To shoot bugholes the first step is a good barrel. I sent Lilja three groove barrels to Compass Lake and got a barrel that shot in the .2's consistently at a hundred yards. Never got around to testing the other barrel, still sitting in my safe after I quit shooting.

Another thing is windflags. Without windflags and a good scope chasing accuracy will make you crazy. My windflags were tuned and numbered so they went out exactly the same every time. Generally three or four flags for 100 yards, seven or eight for two hundred. One really tricky hundred yard range caused me to put out six windflags before I had it mastered. People at public ranges used to joke about my windflags being targets. I just told them they were welcome to shoot them but it would cost $100 a flag, stands extra. People became right careful that they didn't hit my windflags!

In my chrome lined mil-spec AR barrel custom hand made benchrest bullets(the projectile) shot .2" better than V-max style .223 bullets even using bulk reconditioned military brass, getting me down in the .6's. The same ammo happened to sing in my Lilja barrel, putting the AR only about .05" behind my benchrest rifles. Even more embarrassing, experience said that a fine crosshaired scope would have taken at least a few hundredths off of those AR groups. I wasn't putting a benchrest scope on an AR for testing.

A quick warning to close this already long post. When learning to reload start with light to medium range loads. The reloading book max loads are genuinely maximum safe loads with the rifle tested, using those primers, brass, powder, and bullets. We are never shooting exactly the same components and our safe maximum loads may use more or less powder than is listed. I have sometimes found maximum to be substantially more than shown, but I have found it to be much less a few times too! Another caution, some manuals are based on computer models now, stupidity at it's worst in my opinion. Pretty sure it was V V used to do that, will get somebody killed. I don't know if they still do or who else does, been a long time since I have reloaded seriously. Barrel harmonics means that there are multiple sweet spots for accuracy. Extremely hot loads offer only small advantages over lower velocity loads in a sweet spot and some disadvantages too. I destroyed a barrel in one afternoon of competition shooting a little warm!

Hu
 
Shooting Arts,
Glad to see you back! You are a man that knows his brass from his caps.
Joe.
 
My buddy ordered the parts and this was a three year build. The will match up with any 1911 for accuracy.
 
try again on pics
 

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French Engraved, Briley custom tuned pre 1968, Wather PPK/s .380
 

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Reach out an touch someone. Surgeon Scapel .308, Accuracy International Artic Warfare 2.0 chasis. Here are 5 shots at 100 yards, sorry it was a short private range.
 

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I am and have been a "gun guy" for many years. Cuban Joe sounds like an idiot. Why would any one ever flash a gun, very stupid. I carried guns on duty belts and concealed when moving prisoners i and out of state. Most of the time my wife does not know I am wearing a gun unless she saw me put it on. When a gun is concealed no one should see it. Any way, if I can figure out how to post pictures I will show you guys some nice hand guns and I have 3 hand guns I have not fired yet. I live in Alaska, every one has guns. I like shooting pool and guns and plan on doing it as long as I'm able. I will not live where my God given right and responsibility to defend my self is legislated away by a bunch of lying and ignorant control freaks and cowards. Whew!
 
Reach out an touch someone. Surgeon Scapel .308, Accuracy International Artic Warfare 2.0 chasis. Here are 5 shots at 100 yards, sorry it was a short private range.
Now that's what I'm talking about. What scope is that?

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Group Photo

Custom Colt Commander w/ Maga-ported, SA Mag well, Ramped, Trigger etc. POF w/EOTec (night vision), Streamlight w/ Laser etc.etc. etc.
 

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Custom Colt Commander w/ Maga-ported, SA Mag well, Ramped, Trigger etc. POF w/EOTec (night vision), Streamlight w/ Laser etc.etc. etc.

What trigger are you running? How about the NV, didn't see it in the pic?


Eric
 
I am and have been a "gun guy" for many years. Cuban Joe sounds like an idiot. Why would any one ever flash a gun, very stupid. I carried guns on duty belts and concealed when moving prisoners i and out of state. Most of the time my wife does not know I am wearing a gun unless she saw me put it on. When a gun is concealed no one should see it. Any way, if I can figure out how to post pictures I will show you guys some nice hand guns and I have 3 hand guns I have not fired yet. I live in Alaska, every one has guns. I like shooting pool and guns and plan on doing it as long as I'm able. I will not live where my God given right and responsibility to defend my self is legislated away by a bunch of lying and ignorant control freaks and cowards. Whew!

You had me on board until you said ... "God given" ..... since when is your right to Self Defense given to you by a make believe , man made Deity ???
 
the basis of our government

You had me on board until you said ... "God given" ..... since when is your right to Self Defense given to you by a make believe , man made Deity ???


Happens our founding fathers believed in that "make believe, man made Deity". They stated the right of self defense came from him. Apparently you believe in him too since you capitalized Deity. :thumbup:

Hu
 
Trigger is Wilson, Holster is appendix carry custom by Garrity Gun Leather. The EOTec is NV adaptable ( still haven't decided which unit to purchase ) Attached photo is of my reloading barn ( also building custom Fishing Rods & Fly Tying ) I can load over 750 rounds an hour. Additional photos in my profile.
 

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45's mostly Wilson parts w/ ramp & trigger job. EOTec is NV adaptable, looking for best deal on NV at present time. Photo is of my Reloading Barn (almost finished) additional photo's in my profile. (Hope photo attaches this time!)
 

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