2014 World 9-Ball Championship

It's like someone beating Tiger Woods 11 holes of golf.

Don't kid yourself, they'd rather walk to the United States on broken glass than stay in Taiwan and fade Shane's 10 Ball game.

Shane is the best player and all of them know it, and they also know anyone can beat him one race to 11.......it's like someone beating Tiger Woods 11 holes of golf.....no big deal.

Without ESPN there isn't even much pressure, so Shane's game is equalized.

At least play races to 18, this is far less strenuous than a round of golf and there's plenty of 70+ year olds walking 18 and even 36 holes several times a week.



JoeyInCali said:
If Shane wanted to do that, he can fly to Taiwan.
They'll take his action.
They love 4" pockets down there from what I've been told.
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jay helfert said:
Which only proves what we already know, that Shane is America's best player. Is he the world's best player? No, he is not, but he's certainly in the top twenty worldwide, maybe even top ten. Forget all that jargon about money games please. The world's top players in any individual sport are determined by their record in major events. No one cares which golfer wins the most money in practice rounds or which tennis player is the best money player. Same with bowlers, Pete Weber was a well known gambler and a pretty good tournament player as well. Until Shane wins some of these major International tournaments, he will not be considered one of the great ones. Right now the Chinese (both mainland and Taiwan) and the Filipinos remain dominant, with the best European players in the mix as well. The USA lags behind Japan and perhaps soon the Middle East for any kind of depth on an International level. And that my friends is the sad reality!
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I certainly agree with you that when it comes to depth, the US is quite a bit behind the PHI, China, Taiwan, UK, and a few other European countries. This was strongly evidenced by the makeup of the 64 man finals field.

However after watching every shot of the SVB-YLC match today, I walk away with the following conclusions:

1. YLC is an incredible player and he simply outplayed SVB today. It wasn't by a wide margin, but it was clear that YLC had the edge today. It wasn't luck or bad rolls, it was simply better execution over the course of 19 games.

2. However, nothing I saw in those 19 games would lead me to bet against SVB the next time these two face off under similar circumstances. Furthermore, I'm not sure I would bet against SVB against ANY player under similar circumstances. Everyone has good/bad days, YLC had a better day today than SVB. But I'm not convinced that this would be true more than 52.5% of the time.

3. Having said that, I also wouldn't bet against YLC when playing SVB, it's just too close to call. I also wouldn't bet against Orcullo, DAZ, Neils, Biado, Thorsten, KPY, or at least 1/2 a dozen other names.

4. In an alternate break race to 9/11/13 format there are probably 20 players in the world that are within 2.5% of 50/50.

I think this is a good thing!
 
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gxman said:
How old is Yu-Lung CHANG? Anyone have any more info on him? Some of these guys are a little hard to follow as far as what they're done in the past b/c their names are so similar.
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Yu Lung CHANG (張玉龍) aka Patrick Chang on Facebook. Nicknamed "The Flying Dragon" (飛龍). I think he's a house pro at a pool room in Tainan, Taiwan.
 
lost said:
Sounds like he's a better distance runner than sprinter?

The stars are usually the sprinters....not the 10K guys. Just an observation. I don't really think pool is meant to be an endurance sport
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unless gambling. ;)

brdt,
brian kc
 
CJ Wiley said:
Don't kid yourself, they'd rather walk to the United States on broken glass than stay in Taiwan and fade Shane's 10 Ball game.



Shane is the best player and all of them know it, and they also know anyone can beat him one race to 11.......it's like someone beating Tiger Woods 11 holes of golf.....no big deal.



Without ESPN there isn't even much pressure, so Shane's game is equalized.



At least play races to 18, this is far less strenuous than a round of golf and there's plenty of 70+ year olds walking 18 and even 36 holes several times a week.
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Base on what you say he's the best ? Who is "them" in your sentence, don't speak like you know all the taiwaneses and speak in their behalf.
Dont speak like he goes there and noone gonna stands up and play against him, show more respect for them, many of them are World Champions and "real" world beater. I bet anything you want that if Shane go there he'll find actions as big as he want.
shane is just one of the best.
 
don't take my word for it, ask any of them.

He's smarter than to go there and play on their "home court".....this would be foolish. On a neural "court" Shane would be the favorite against anyone in the world playing 10 Ball. That's what all the champions know, don't take my word for it, ask any of them.

HelloBaby- said:
Base on what you say he's the best ? Who is "them" in your sentence, don't speak like you know all the taiwaneses and speak in their behalf.
Dont speak like he goes there and noone gonna stands up and play against him, show more respect for them, many of them are World Champions and "real" world beater. I bet anything you want that if Shane go there he'll find actions as big as he want.
shane is just one of the best.
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CJ Wiley said:
He's smarter than to go there and play on their "home court".....this would be foolish. On a neural "court" Shane would be the favorite against anyone in the world playing 10 Ball. That's what all the champions know, don't take my word for it, ask any of them.
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So now you say Shane wont go there or that will be foolish ??? Did you read what you wrote in your previous comment ?
This gonna be like another never ending debat :))
 
TWO GREAT PLAYERS • One victor, today.

While it stings for Shane to not win this World Championship, he will be back again and again, adding more tools to his already formidable toolbox.

I expect that Shane will be looking for short races of 9 ball throughout this year. ANY TAKERS?

Yes, Shane only missed 25% more open shots than Chang. (That's 1)
Yes, Shane pocketed approximately 23% less balls than Chang. (That's 21)
Yes, Shane committed 100% more fouls than Chang. (That's 1)

At this level, the difference is enormous. The fact that Chang's mistakes came late tells me that Chang is not invincible, although he proved he will be a challenge for Shane for years to come. No rest for the champions.

Thanks for the STATS, ATLARGE.

JoeyA
 
You could walk to the United States on broken glass?

Did you really think you could walk to the United States on broken glass? At some point you have to "real eyes" when someone is joking, although I'm serious about Shane's dominance in 10 Ball. Playing under "tournament conditions" many players can make a ball every time, however, it's not so easy on worn cloth.

Now, back to the "debat". ;)


HelloBaby- said:
So now you say Shane wont go there or that will be foolish ??? Did you read what you wrote in your previous comment ?
This gonna be like another never ending debat :))
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CJ Wiley said:
Don't kid yourself, they'd rather walk to the United States on broken glass than stay in Taiwan and fade Shane's 10 Ball game.



Shane is the best player and all of them know it, and they also know anyone can beat him one race to 11.......it's like someone beating Tiger Woods 11 holes of golf.....no big deal.



Without ESPN there isn't even much pressure, so Shane's game is equalized.



At least play races to 18, this is far less strenuous than a round of golf and there's plenty of 70+ year olds walking 18 and even 36 holes several times a week.
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Don't fool yourself either, CJ.

Taiwan is an awesome country with enormous pool-culture. It is full of world class players. The thing is that they don't speak english and are bit isolated due to that and cultural differences. They are not that fond of traveling due to the expenses alone, where they have to have interpretors etc. If they come to DCC or US Open, no, they are not the favorites. They would lose to Shane and to many other american players, too. If they'd gamble in US, they'd lose again. But not any less, as americans would lose in Taiwan.

Only Filipinos are that adjustable, that they can play anywhere in any conditions. Europeans are pretty good when the conditions are good, but filipinos can play anywhere.

Due to the fact how good Shane is in the US, I'd still give more benefit of the doubt to him than Jay (then again, I guess Jay want's to kick him a bit so he'd push harder ;) But I'd say that Shane is Top 3 player in the world at the moment, when you count US Majors in it, and of course you should. Dennis Orcollo will be there too, and Jung Lin Chang probably also due to Far-East games and other Majors, (Yu Lung Chang being hot right now but still inch short, Jiaqing Wu will be there when he gets his life together well).

So yes, Shane would beat Yu Lung Chang in States, but would lose to him and about dozen more in Taiwan. Same with the Filipinos, with the difference that handful of them could beat him in the States too, depending on the day.


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CJ Wiley said:
Did you really think you could walk to the United States on broken glass? At some point you have to "real eyes" when someone is joking, although I'm serious about Shane's dominance in 10 Ball. Playing under "tournament conditions" many players can make a ball every time, however, it's not so easy on worn cloth.

Now, back to the "debat". ;)
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Can you say "real eyes" 400 more times please.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Did you really think you could walk to the United States on broken glass? At some point you have to "real eyes" when someone is joking, although I'm serious about Shane's dominance in 10 Ball. Playing under "tournament conditions" many players can make a ball every time, however, it's not so easy on worn cloth.

Now, back to the "debat". ;)
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How would be play Filipinos at an open air pool room next to cockfighting
arena?:grin-square:
 
Wu played really well .too bad he had to go up against Chang. Wu safety and game play in match against HKL was good too . If he had won Chang, he would have probably won svb too, but we'll never find out .

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I've been saying the same thing as CJ for the last 2 years, where are all of the idiot Shane haters getting all over his ass? The plain and simple fact is that short races and alternate break levels the playing field making a tourney like this essentially a crap shoot at this level. Add that to the fact that none of these guys can get there in a long race with Shane.

And before anyone brings up the whole endurance factor of long races , let them play a race to 11 for 30 days in a row or a similar sample size and see how they like it. It's just like poker. A lesser player can certainly win over a session or two but the better player gets the cheese in the long run. It doesn't get any more simple to explain than that. If you guys don't understand that them may god have mercy on your souls.
 
JoeyInCali said:
If Shane wanted to do that, he can fly to Taiwan.
They'll take his action.
They love 4" pockets down there from what I've been told.
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NO ONE wants to go to Taiwan and gamble there! PERIOD! EXCLAMATION POINT! FINIS! Not even the best Filipinos are interested in making that short trip for action. I know because I've asked them about it. I love Shane but they would eat him alive and he knows it too. I don't care if we are talking about a Race to 25, 50 or 100, WINNER BREAKS! That myth about Shane's invincibility would be broken fast. It's one thing to play one tough player but to have to play several in a row is an impossibility for anyone. And that's a fact Jack! :rolleyes:
 
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BJTyler said:
I certainly agree with you that when it comes to depth, the US is quite a bit behind the PHI, China, Taiwan, UK, and a few other European countries. This was strongly evidenced by the makeup of the 64 man finals field.

However after watching every shot of the SVB-YLC match today, I walk away with the following conclusions:

1. YLC is an incredible player and he simply outplayed SVB today. It wasn't by a wide margin, but it was clear that YLC had the edge today. It wasn't luck or bad rolls, it was simply better execution over the course of 19 games.

2. However, nothing I saw in those 19 games would lead me to bet against SVB the next time these two face off under similar circumstances. Furthermore, I'm not sure I would bet against SVB against ANY player under similar circumstances. Everyone has good/bad days, YLC had a better day today than SVB. But I'm not convinced that this would be true more than 52.5% of the time.

3. Having said that, I also wouldn't bet against YLC when playing SVB, it's just too close to call. I also wouldn't bet against Orcullo, DAZ, Neils, Biado, Thorsten, KPY, or at least 1/2 a dozen other names.

4. In an alternate break race to 9/11/13 format there are probably 20 players in the world that are within 2.5% of 50/50.

I think this is a good thing!
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I agree 100%.
 
corvette1340 said:
I've been saying the same thing as CJ for the last 2 years, where are all of the idiot Shane haters getting all over his ass? The plain and simple fact is that short races and alternate break levels the playing field making a tourney like this essentially a crap shoot at this level. Add that to the fact that none of these guys can get there in a long race with Shane.

And before anyone brings up the whole endurance factor of long races , let them play a race to 11 for 30 days in a row or a similar sample size and see how they like it. It's just like poker. A lesser player can certainly win over a session or two but the better player gets the cheese in the long run. It doesn't get any more simple to explain than that. If you guys don't understand that them may god have mercy on your souls.
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Thanks ole wise one, can we kiss the ring now, Ppfffffft. Really ! :wink:
 
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corvette1340 said:
I've been saying the same thing as CJ for the last 2 years, where are all of the idiot Shane haters getting all over his ass? The plain and simple fact is that short races and alternate break levels the playing field making a tourney like this essentially a crap shoot at this level. Add that to the fact that none of these guys can get there in a long race with Shane.

And before anyone brings up the whole endurance factor of long races , let them play a race to 11 for 30 days in a row or a similar sample size and see how they like it. It's just like poker. A lesser player can certainly win over a session or two but the better player gets the cheese in the long run. It doesn't get any more simple to explain than that. If you guys don't understand that them may god have mercy on your souls.
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What kind of dream world are you living in ,, these aren't some scrubs in your local pool hall , these are highly skilled players in case you have not noticed many of them are just and some are more talented than Shane ,, a longer race would only weed out a few


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i think this World 9ball streaming is the best thing ever for all pool loving fans worldwide.

It's free, it's in HD (over a million invested in the equipments) and you can choose any tables you like to see. This should set the precedence for future pool streamings and there are chatrooms to make friends and "frienemies".

Just wanna say thanks to the organizers and David13... I totally enjoyed watching it this year.

Great job..!
 
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