2014 World 9-Ball Championship

Neils is playing really well. At least to me he is always one of those guys that I tend to forget about until I see him going deep in another tournament or until I see him lighting it up at the Derby every year. Then I think holy crap he's really good.
 
sjm said:
So true. Shane's two consecutive 5th place finishes in WPA play are rock solid here and his fans should be encouraged, not vigilant.
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Which only proves what we already know, that Shane is America's best player. Is he the world's best player? No, he is not, but he's certainly in the top twenty worldwide, maybe even top ten. Forget all that jargon about money games please. The world's top players in any individual sport are determined by their record in major events. No one cares which golfer wins the most money in practice rounds or which tennis player is the best money player. Same with bowlers, Pete Weber was a well known gambler and a pretty good tournament player as well. Until Shane wins some of these major International tournaments, he will not be considered one of the great ones. Right now the Chinese (both mainland and Taiwan) and the Filipinos remain dominant, with the best European players in the mix as well. The USA lags behind Japan and perhaps soon the Middle East for any kind of depth on an International level. And that my friends is the sad reality!
 
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AtLarge said:
A few numbers for the SVB vs. Chang Yu Lung match (won 11-8 Chang):

• Made at least 1 ball on break and didn't foul -- 9 of 9 Chang, 10 of 10 SVB

• Breaker won game -- 7 of 9 Chang, 6 of 10 SBV

• Break-and-run games -- 4 of 9 Chang, 4 of 10 SBV

• Balls pocketed -- 93 Chang, 72 SVB

• Open shots missed -- 3 Chang, 4 SVB

• Fouls -- 0 Chang, 1 SVB
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Nice stats as always, thanks
BTW, any stats on the safety aspect like safety errors, safety success, countersafety etc ?
Thanks
 
AtLarge said:
A few numbers for the SVB vs. Chang Yu Lung match (won 11-8 Chang):

• Made at least 1 ball on break and didn't foul -- 9 of 9 Chang, 10 of 10 SVB

• Breaker won game -- 7 of 9 Chang, 6 of 10 SBV

• Break-and-run games -- 4 of 9 Chang, 4 of 10 SBV

• Balls pocketed -- 93 Chang, 72 SVB

• Open shots missed -- 3 Chang, 4 SVB

• Fouls -- 0 Chang, 1 SVB
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Game stats like this don't always tell the whole story but in this match Chang did have the edge on Shane in every area above. Sometimes that one extra miss, or one extra foul is what makes all the difference at this level.
 
Shane is still one of the world's top 5 players, he just hasn't had the critical.....

I agree, however, the reality is also there's no legitimate American Pro Tour and hasn't been for a number of years. There's far more foreign players playing in American Major Events than there are Americans playing in International Events.

The American players are at a tremendous disadvantage in terms of competitive opportunities, funding, support, and good will from their peers, fans, and industry. This is due to a plethora of reasons, consequences and misguided business ventures.

The situation today is certainly not "apples to apples" when rating American players to the international fields. I seriously doubt if any of the world's players could beat Shane in a race to 72 (amount of golf holes played in major tournaments) or even races to 6, 3 out of 5 sets like in major tennis tournaments.

Pool has a lot of luck in the shorter races, and easier equipment conditions. Shane is still one of the world's top 5 players, he just hasn't had the critical opportunities at the ideal times........yet.



jay helfert said:
Which only proves what we already know, that Shane is America's best player. Is he the world's best player? No, he is not, but he's certainly in the top twenty worldwide, maybe even top ten. Forget all that jargon about money games please. The world's top players in any individual sport are determined by their record in major events. No one cares which golfer wins the most money in practice rounds or which tennis player is the best money player. Same with bowlers, Pete Weber was a well known gambler and a pretty good tournament player as well. Until Shane wins some of these major International tournaments, he will not be considered one of the great ones. Right now the Chinese (both mainland and Taiwan) and the Filipinos remain dominant, with the best European players in the mix as well. The USA lags behind Japan and perhaps soon the Middle East for any kind of depth on an International level. And that my friends is the sad reality!
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How old is Yu-Lung CHANG? Anyone have any more info on him? Some of these guys are a little hard to follow as far as what they're done in the past b/c their names are so similar.
 
he'd shoot them so full of holes the only thing they'd be good for is a screen door.

How about this "case".

If those guys had to play Shane everyday (for 8 hours) he'd shoot them so full of holes the only thing they'd be good for is a screen door.
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one stroke said:
Yep it's hard to make a case for anything else



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spartan said:
Nice stats as always, thanks
BTW, any stats on the safety aspect like safety errors, safety success, countersafety etc ?
Thanks
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10 safeties were played in the match, 5 by each player (VB = Van Boening, C = Chang):

Game 1 -- VB played a poor safe on the 1-ball after his break. C played a countersafe that was good. VB kicked and hit the 1-ball, but he left it hanging and C ran out.

Game 4 -- C played a nice safe on the 3-ball following his break. SV hit it on a kick, but left a shot and C ran out.

Game 7 -- VB played a safe on the 1-ball after his push-out was returned. C hit the 1-ball on a kick but left a shot, and VB ran out.

Game 13 -- VB played a safe on the 1-ball after his break and left part of the ball showing. C then played a safe and left the whole ball showing. VB then played a safe and left a long, thin shot. C missed that 1-ball shot but slopped safe. (Game won by C when VB's kick left a shot.)

Game 17 -- VB played a safe on the 1-ball after his break. C played a return safe. VB hit the 1-ball and slopped in the 3-ball, but he then missed the 1-ball. (Game later won by VB.)

Game 18 -- C played a safe on the 1-ball after his break. VB's kick hit the 1-ball but left a shot. (Game later won by VB.)
 
how the heck does some of these countries have 5 or more guys that would dominate every U.S pool player not name SVB?
 
CJ Wiley said:
I agree, however, the reality is also there's no legitimate American Pro Tour and hasn't been for a number of years. There's far more foreign players playing in American Major Events than there are Americans playing in International Events.

The American players are at a tremendous disadvantage in terms of competitive opportunities, funding, support, and good will from their peers, fans, and industry. This is due to a plethora of reasons, consequences and misguided business ventures.

The situation today is certainly not "apples to apples" when rating American players to the international fields. I seriously doubt if any of the world's players could beat Shane in a race to 72 (amount of golf holes played in major tournaments) or even races to 6, 3 out of 5 sets like in major tennis tournaments.

Pool has a lot of luck in the shorter races, and easier equipment conditions. Shane is still one of the world's top 5 players, he just hasn't had the critical opportunities at the ideal times........yet.
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People keep wanting to put SVB up on top cause of the race to 75, race to 100, race to 150 factor. But the fact is that that type of comparision will only happen in gambling and only show up in stamina. SVB is definitely top in that category.

But in the measurables of World competition --races to 11, SVB is not on top.

He is close but as you stated, he hasn't had the critical opportunities at the ideal times. I was pulling for him to show it during this run.
 
PoolBum said:
Yu Lung played a better match against Wu earlier than this one. He had some trouble crossing the finish line here.
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Yea, that match had some really great play and many clutch shots by both players. It was really exciting to watch.
 
CJ Wiley said:
How about this "case".

If those guys had to play Shane everyday (for 8 hours) he'd shoot them so full of holes the only thing they'd be good for is a screen door.
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If Shane wanted to do that, he can fly to Taiwan.
They'll take his action.
They love 4" pockets down there from what I've been told.
 
watchez said:


People keep wanting to put SVB up on top cause of the race to 75, race to 100, race to 150 factor. But the fact is that that type of comparision will only happen in gambling and only show up in stamina. SVB is definitely top in that category.

But in the measurables of World competition --races to 11, SVB is not on top.

He is close but as you stated, he hasn't had the critical opportunities at the ideal times. I was pulling for him to show it during this run.
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Sounds like he's a better distance runner than sprinter?

The stars are usually the sprinters....not the 10K guys. Just an observation. I don't really think pool is meant to be an endurance sport
 
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JoeyInCali said:
If Shane wanted to do that, he can fly to Taiwan.
They'll take his action.
They love 4" pockets down there from what I've been told.
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Interesting. Shane makes over 250k a year, and could probably get staked (considering his skill level and following in the US) for six figures if he needed. So flip it around: where are the legions of Asian and Middle-Eastern players showing up in South Dakota or Las Vegas to get some of that easy Shane action?

What I took from this match was: Shane played an mediocre set, and his opponent was "the hottest guy in pool" , and he lost by 3....
 
jay helfert said:
Which only proves what we already know, that Shane is America's best player. Is he the world's best player? No, he is not, but he's certainly in the top twenty worldwide, maybe even top ten. Forget all that jargon about money games please. The world's top players in any individual sport are determined by their record in major events. No one cares which golfer wins the most money in practice rounds or which tennis player is the best money player. Same with bowlers, Pete Weber was a well known gambler and a pretty good tournament player as well. Until Shane wins some of these major International tournaments, he will not be considered one of the great ones. Right now the Chinese (both mainland and Taiwan) and the Filipinos remain dominant, with the best European players in the mix as well. The USA lags behind Japan and perhaps soon the Middle East for any kind of depth on an International level. And that my friends is the sad reality!
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Yes - sad but true...
 
CJRackley said:
Interesting. Shane makes over 250k a year, and could probably get staked (considering his skill level and following in the US) for six figures if he needed. So flip it around: where are the legions of Asian and Middle-Eastern players showing up in South Dakota or Las Vegas to get some of that easy Shane action?

What I took from this match was: Shane played an mediocre set, and his opponent was "the hottest guy in pool" , and he lost by 3....
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So, why did Shane stay in the Philippines and get some action then ?

How many are lining up here to play Shane ? In Manila, Gomez, De Luna and Kiamco played him straight up.

The Taiwanese players aren't starving for action in Taiwan. They get plenty of big action. They don't speak English either. Don't expect them to fly here.
 
CJRackley said:
Interesting. Shane makes over 250k a year, and could probably get staked (considering his skill level and following in the US) for six figures if he needed. So flip it around: where are the legions of Asian and Middle-Eastern players showing up in South Dakota or Las Vegas to get some of that easy Shane action?

What I took from this match was: Shane played an mediocre set, and his opponent was "the hottest guy in pool" , and he lost by 3....
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Nobody mention any game with Shane is "easy action", but if Shane go there, he'll find countless actions, can be as big as few hundred thousands, of course Shane gonna be staked as his opponent. In asian you will find mostly 9-ft table with ultra tight pocket, that's how they grow up playing pool.
And tell me why they need to go all the way across the globe to an unfamiliar soil to gamble with a world elite while they can do that every single day in their pool hall ?
any American pool player dare to put his bank-roll on a set ? almost any asian pool player you fought over there will do, if you wanna talk about gamble. I don't say it's the wise thing to do, but it shows alot of caracters.
Btw, they may come to the U.S not for Shane but for all the rest :p. Tell me why all the philipinos come here ? because it's easy to make money over here, yeah Shane action is one of the toughest, but American action is far far far easier than in their country.
 
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